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[vandalhooch]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

All those people were being condescending to me before I started using those "choice words".

Do you really not see the pattern here?

"Those other guys quit so I quit."

"Those other guys were jackholes so I was a jackhole."

Quit blaming your own faults on others. You can't control what others do but you can always, always, always control what you do.

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Which would have existed with the unit and nonunit separation that you said you were willing to give a shot to. You didn't have a problem with it then?

I did have a problem with it. I thought it wouldn't work. I thought it destroyed a key piece of what made the mode different from Quick Play. I was willing to go along with it because the population at the time might have been able to support it. The current population can't. And a split queue will absolutely, positively not reduce the stomp rate.

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Stomp happen less in pug vs pug than premade vs pug, this is a universal constant across all PvP games.

This is a universal constant in your mind only. Do all those other PvP games have unlimited respawns?

Care to take a gander at the mountain of threads created by people complaining about there being too many stomps in the current solo queue?

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What characteristic is that? You want to queue into group play as a solo? Do it, there's an option for that in my proposal, nothing changes for you.

And that is exactly what happened with PGI's experiment despite them trying to discourage it (unit vs. non-unit). The solo queue was abandoned.

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It was much larger, but it was also divided into 13 smaller queues at the time, one for each clan and house.

See, this is how green you are. There were only four clans and six houses at the time.

How about you pipe down and play the game a little longer and learn a little more about how it actually works.

[Divenity]

vandalhooch, on 13 January 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Do you really not see the pattern here?

"Those other guys quit so I quit."

"Those other guys were jackholes so I was a jackhole."

You were a [REDACTED] before the two of us even had words. So, it's ok for you to do it, because you're you? No, if you act one way to me, I'm going to reply in kind.

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Quit blaming your own faults on others. You can't control what others do but you can always, always, always control what you do.

And you could have controlled what you do, and you chose to be condescending.

Do your own rules not apply to you?

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And a split queue will absolutely, positively not reduce the stomp rate.

How? How would it not? It does in every single other PvP game that has ever existed, what makes it different here?

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This is a universal constant in your mind only. Do all those other PvP games have unlimited respawns?

No.

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Care to take a gander at the mountain of threads created by people complaining about there being too many stomps in the current solo queue?

There would be more if premades were allowed to stomp them too.

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And that is exactly what happened with PGI's experiment despite them trying to discourage it (unit vs. non-unit). The solo queue was abandoned.

And they did it wrong, by separating by unit instead of group.

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See, this is how green you are. There were only four clans and six houses at the time.

correct me if I'm wrong, but 10 and 20 are still a fuckton more than 2 and 4, correct? The concept presented by the statement stands: the current situation is wildly different from what it used to be.

I see no harm in trying again.

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[TWIAFU]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

You not liking my answer doesn't make it a deflection, you claiming it's a deflection does make you an ******* though.

I don't like your answer because I know you are full of [REDACTED] and there is NO ACCEPTABLE reason to quit.

None.

Only those that exist within your head and they do not count.


And again, you have deflected from answering a simple question based on claims YOU made. Why are you so afraid to back them up and list those reason?

And then, to end it, you go ahead and begin to call names, a sure sign of a weak mind and further signs you have a weak point.

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[TWIAFU]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

It is, at the very least, far less frequent in pug vs pug matches, which is all I'm aiming for. You people act like I'm trying to eliminate stomps all together, I'm not, because that's impossible. I am just trying to lessen their frequency, so that people on both sides of the coin find more enjoyment. If the premades don't enjoy stomping pugs (which, I've been told my many that they don't), and the pugs don't enjoy getting stomped by premades, separation makes sense.

No, you want the game mode to change to suit you instead of you changing to suit the mode.

The mode you agreed to play in and knew full well in advance what you were going to experience.

[TWIAFU]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Stomp happen less in pug vs pug than premade vs pug, this is a universal constant across all PvP games.

And there we have it.

You can say that with under 50 CW games? How many QP? How many GQ?

Sure about all that with extremely minimal group experience and no premade?

Now who is totally unbelieveable?

Shine on you crazy diamond, shine on!

[Divenity]

TWIAFU, on 13 January 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

No, you want the game mode to change to suit you instead of you changing to suit the mode.

The mode you agreed to play in and knew full well in advance what you were going to experience.

How many times do I need to say "just because a thing is one way now doesn't mean it should stay that way" before you understand that is my poision on this subject and stop yelling this crap at me? Do you think you're going to change my mind on this, is that it? You aren't, just like I'm not going to change yours, so if you'll accept that fact and stop yelling at me about this, I'll stop yelling back, deal?.

TWIAFU, on 13 January 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

I don't like your answer because I know you are full of sh*t and there is NO ACCEPTABLE reason to quit.

None.

Then my 10 teammates who quit playing siege to farm kills at our dropzone also had no acceptable reason to do what they did. They quit.

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And again, you have deflected from answering a simple question based on claims YOU made. Why are you so afraid to back them up and list those reason?

I'll put this as simply as i can: If they don't need a reason to quit, I don't need one.

If you can't find me an acceptable excuse for what they did, I'm not going to bother giving you one for what I did. The match was a complete shitshow, they weren't participating in playing siege, so I didn't either.

And to be honest, quite frankly I don't give a damn if you don't find it acceptable, because if my entire team acts in an "unacceptable" manner, I might as well too, because what I do at that point doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the outcome of the rest of the match.

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And then, to end it, you go ahead and begin to call names, a sure sign of a weak mind and further signs you have a weak point.

If you act like a [REDACTED], I'm gonna call you one, don't want to be called one? Stop being one.

Being condescending for no reason is also a sure sign of a weak mind and weak point.

I started this out being respectful, others broke the respect first, I responded in kind.

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[Void Angel]

Not enough players; tried that before, didn't work; you're not the only one to have this idea.

I agree that it would be great to do that - but my planus would hurt less if I lived on the moon, too.

[justcallme A S H]

So how's that tweet to Russ going?

That way this thread can finally get to Page 2

[RaptorCWS]

It seams about every other month one of these posts pop up. I understand not liking being steam rolled. It happened to me a lot when I first started playing. I would bring crappy builds, no one in the pug group would take command. and even if they did 95% of the time the rest of the pugs would do their own thing.

one day I get into a group and like 4 or 5 members of a unit are also in and before the drop they type in a plan into the pre match chat asking people to bring certain kind of mechs on certain waves if possible and if not to just stick with the group. and they asked if anyone was interested in joining their unit to just download teamspeak and to jump into their server. we ended up winning the match and i played a few more matches with them and we won all of them (not even a full 12 man) so i joined. the rules were simple just stick to the strategy, dont be a jerk, and at least have teamspeak so you can listen regardless if you wanted to use a mic.

I got a lot better by playing in that unit, learned good and bad builds for certain maps, how to torso twist, figured out where to shoot opfor mechs based on the chassis.

I'm not sure why there is just this huge refusal to join a unit by some players. you can still play casual, just find a teamspeak server and group up with people. This is a team game, dont get upset when the other team plays like a team.

even if you cant get a full team in a unit other units normally have holes to fill for a 12 man. add people to your friends list. make friends.

[Kwea]

it's easier to pretend you care and whine than actually try and get better, or team with those who are better. That's why these posts keep popping up.

[Kwea]

it wasn't Einstein.

https://www.quora.co...fferent-results

[Lyons De Flamand]

Kwea, on 13 January 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

it's easier to pretend you care and whine than actually try and get better, or team with those who are better. That's why these posts keep popping up.

But that's just they thing. If they put half the effort they do making these threads and defending them tooth and nail into logging into a TS and finding a group in their timezone they'd be well on their way in getting better matches.

[r4zen]

RaptorCWS, on 13 January 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

It seams about every other month one of these posts pop up. I understand not liking being steam rolled. It happened to me a lot when I first started playing. I would bring crappy builds, no one in the pug group would take command. and even if they did 95% of the time the rest of the pugs would do their own thing.

one day I get into a group and like 4 or 5 members of a unit are also in and before the drop they type in a plan into the pre match chat asking people to bring certain kind of mechs on certain waves if possible and if not to just stick with the group. and they asked if anyone was interested in joining their unit to just download teamspeak and to jump into their server. we ended up winning the match and i played a few more matches with them and we won all of them (not even a full 12 man) so i joined. the rules were simple just stick to the strategy, dont be a jerk, and at least have teamspeak so you can listen regardless if you wanted to use a mic.

I got a lot better by playing in that unit, learned good and bad builds for certain maps, how to torso twist, figured out where to shoot opfor mechs based on the chassis.

I'm not sure why there is just this huge refusal to join a unit by some players. you can still play casual, just find a teamspeak server and group up with people. This is a team game, dont get upset when the other team plays like a team.

even if you cant get a full team in a unit other units normally have holes to fill for a 12 man. add people to your friends list. make friends.

LOUDER FOR THE DIV's IN THE BACK

In all seriousness though, this is the path that most FP regulars take - even if we don't stay in units, at one point or another we either joined one or dropped regularly with one. FP is much more fun when you're in a 12 man going up against a 12 man.

[RaptorCWS]

should we start an adopt a pug night?

[r4zen]

RaptorCWS, on 13 January 2018 - 10:54 PM, said:

should we start an adopt a pug night?

I thought that's what HHOD and MS were for

[Kwea]

RaptorCWS, on 13 January 2018 - 10:54 PM, said:

should we start an adopt a pug night?

I am (MS)... EVERY night is adopt-a-pug for us.

Edited by Kwea, 14 January 2018 - 12:29 AM.

[Jumping Gigolo]

ummm.... excuse me gents. I'm looking for the ForumWarrior Online community thread. Am I in the right address?

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[vandalhooch]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

You were a [REDACTED] before the two of us even had words. So, it's ok for you to do it, because you're you? No, if you act one way to me, I'm going to reply in kind.

And you could have controlled what you do, and you chose to be condescending.

Do your own rules not apply to you?

Did I call you a [REDACTED]?

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How? How would it not? It does in every single other PvP game that has ever existed, what makes it different here?

Snowballing due to limited or no respawns leads to many matches with lopsided kill numbers. Doesn't matter if the teams are balanced or not.

Look at the dozens and dozens of threads that pop up in the general section of the forum every year that complain about the "high rate of stomps" in Quick Play. That's in a part of the game that does not allow group drops and sync dropping is very ineffectual. And there are still stomps.

Now you want to create a Faction Play version of that but it will be very susceptible to sync dropping. Your "solution" will not solve the problem you think exists.

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No.

There would be more if premades were allowed to stomp them too.

In other words, you flat out admit that stomps happen in solo-only modes.

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And they did it wrong, by separating by unit instead of group.

That was an attempt to avoid having groups sync-dropping in the solo queue. I note that your solution will do absolutely nothing about sync-dropping.

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correct me if I'm wrong, but 10 and 20 are still a fuckton more than 2 and 4, correct? The concept presented by the statement stands: the current situation is wildly different from what it used to be.

In other words, you didn't know something and are trying to pretend that your ignorance doesn't really matter. The fact that you didn't know a basic fact like the number of factions doesn't give you a moment's pause to consider if there might be other basic things you don't know, does it?

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I see no harm in trying again.

Wasting time and resources creating something that we can already tell will not work is doing harm.

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[vandalhooch]

Divenity, on 13 January 2018 - 04:14 PM, said:

How many times do I need to say "just because a thing is one way now doesn't mean it should stay that way" before you understand that is my poision on this subject and stop yelling this crap at me? Do you think you're going to change my mind on this, is that it? You aren't, just like I'm not going to change yours, so if you'll accept that fact and stop yelling at me about this, I'll stop yelling back, deal?.

You keep getting reminded of this because you want to change Faction Play into something that the game already has, Quick Play. Answer the question, why should Faction Play be changed into Quick Play when we already have Quick Play? Is it the additional mode and maps that you want added to Quick Play? No. It's the LP rewards you want. That's the giveaway to your position. You are acting like an entitled brat.

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Then my 10 teammates who quit playing siege to farm kills at our dropzone also had no acceptable reason to do what they did. They quit.

And so did you, quitter.

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I'll put this as simply as i can: If they don't need a reason to quit, I don't need one.

You'll note that not a single one of us has come out in support of those other players choice. But, they aren't here rationalizing their actions. You are.

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If you can't find me an acceptable excuse for what they did, I'm not going to bother giving you one for what I did. The match was a complete shitshow, they weren't participating in playing siege, so I didn't either.

Quitter.

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And to be honest, quite frankly I don't give a damn if you don't find it acceptable, because if my entire team acts in an "unacceptable" manner, I might as well too, because what I do at that point doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the outcome of the rest of the match.

Rationalizing poor sportsmanship doesn't change the fact that it is poor sportsmanship.

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If you act like a [REDACTED], I'm gonna call you one, don't want to be called one? Stop being one.

Being condescending for no reason is also a sure sign of a weak mind and weak point.

I started this out being respectful, others broke the respect first, I responded in kind.

Avoiding criticisms of your idea to focus on how those criticisms were expressed is a sign that you know the criticisms were valid and are now just trying to deflect attention away from that fact.

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[NeirSolon]

Kwea, on 14 January 2018 - 12:29 AM, said:

I am (MS)... EVERY night is adopt-a-pug for us.

And sometimes pugs drop with us, too.