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[Gagis]

Your words are unnecessarily insulting and your conduct in forums is harmful. Please stop. This is serious.

Edited by Gagis, 01 November 2019 - 03:20 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Truly, there is more point in arguing with a chair than with some of the forum people ...

[GuardDogg]

Oh man...I tried to make smiles, get happy positive post from you guys and writing for others. All I get is anger. I may as well say this. You guys are totally ill. So, in all you guys put your last words of ignorance. Ready, set...go!!

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 November 2019 - 03:42 AM.

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 31 October 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

Unless you do not have a life (No kids, no family, no job, have no feelings for others only yourself..etc), then ya. You can make it to T1 no problem, and call your self a pro.

I have a job and a family (for certain definitions of family at least) and it doesn't conflict with my ability to play this game. For the past year, I've actually ran a second account along my main and brought that second account to T1 a few months ago while only playing it occasionally for the events.
Not only are your assumptions about us faulty, they're insulting as all hell.

GuardDogg, on 31 October 2019 - 07:52 PM, said:

You can make it to T1 no problem, and call your self a pro.

You're still hung up on the idea that reaching tier 1 is somehow a proof of competence. Which it isn't.
If it was, then players who are consistently unable to carry their own weight in a match would have never made it to T1.

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Personal life can get in the way (example: a family member passes away, or a health issue) for many, and your saying..."Nope, they do not deserve to be in T1" because of all of a sudden they can not perform well. Then for sure you have no emotions, feelings for anyone.

Buddy... past seven years of my life have been ******* hell for many various reasons - family, finances, severe health issues and work.
Guess what, it never stopped me from trying to do my best in the game.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 03:33 AM, said:

Oh man...I tried to make smiles, get happy positive post from you guys and writing for others. All I get is anger. I may as well say this. You guys are totally mentally ill. So, in all you guys put your last words of ignorance. Ready, set...go!!

buddy, as someone not in this discussion, take this as a kind of neutral statement pls:

-you're saying you wanna see smiles and positive posts
-then you're insulting people in that same post

my advice would be to stop posting / trolling. you're doing yourself no favour.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 01 November 2019 - 03:42 AM.

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 03:33 AM, said:

Oh man...I tried to make smiles, get happy positive post from you guys and writing for others. All I get is anger. I may as well say this. You guys are totally mentally ill. So, in all you guys put your last words of ignorance. Ready, set...go!!

When was the last time you've read the code of conduct?

Edited by Horseman, 01 November 2019 - 03:45 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Horseman, on 01 November 2019 - 03:34 AM, said:

I have a job and a family (for certain definitions of family at least) and it doesn't conflict with my ability to play this game. For the past year, I've actually ran a second account along my main and brought that second account to T1 a few months ago while only playing it occasionally for the events.
Not only are your assumptions about us faulty, they're insulting as all hell.
You're still hung up on the idea that reaching tier 1 is somehow a proof of competence. Which it isn't.
If it was, then players who are consistently unable to carry their own weight in a match would have never made it to T1.
Buddy... past seven years of my life have been ******* hell for many various reasons - family, finances, severe health issues and work.
Guess what, it never stopped me from trying to do my best in the game.

Have you had a heart attack, and been in a coma for a week? Do you have a friend you know so well, that plays MWO, then called up to war, then comes back, after seen his friends die, and still plays MWO, but frustrated at salty players. Did you have family members pass away (brother, friends). Did you get called up for a job, that lasted for weeks, then come back. Making it to T1. Then getting others saying "You do not belong there. You do not belong in T1, you suck, your stats are terrible" How does it make them feel? Good? You think, they are going to say "you are right, I do not belong in T1. Took me years.", and other reasons.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 November 2019 - 03:54 AM.

[Gagis]

Please stop spamming irrelevancies in an otherwise interesting topic. This is a bad thing to do.

[Nesutizale]

@GuardDogg

Because someone has a hard life dosn't mean other will pad him on his back for a bad performance in a game. Something that is often contrary to real life where people might give you a bit of space.

Also, most likely, those people don't even know your real life situation and secondly, it dosn't matter ingame.
All that you are judged by ingame is how you performe, if you performe well you will earn respect. You performe bad they will ignore you or in the worst case tell you that you are playing bad. That isn't neccessarly meant ill but just stating a fact.

When I see a player YOLO into the enemy fireing line his tier means nothing, it means nothing how he feels at that moment or what happen in real life. All that matters is that he just cost the team a mech.

As for the forums, you will be judged here by the only thing they have for comparsion to their own performance and that is most likely yarls list. When you have a bad performance there they will asume you don't play well and that is pretty much a fact too.
The statistic dosn't care for anything else then the data it has.

So when people are argueing with that data in mind and how well they performe you get what people try to tell you here that you aren't as good as some people around here.
Also it is well know that the Tier system is somewhat broken/strange. That is a well known fact too.


@ The topic in general
I have a friend who tries to get out of T5 and while he performes well, as far as he told me but his rating won't rise or only go up mm by mm. He says he does well in damage, most of the time top 5 in the team but can't move forward.

Any tips on how he could improve or what matters more, damage, matchscore, XP earned so he can focus on that more.
I frankly have no idea as I never cared about tiers and I have been at T2 for years.

PS: Yarls list shows us as retiered but we have played for the last month. When does the Yar registers a player as active again?

Edited by Nesutizale, 01 November 2019 - 05:11 AM.

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 03:53 AM, said:

then come back. Making it to T1. Then getting others saying "You do not belong there. You do not belong in T1, you suck, your stats are terrible" How does it make them feel? Good? You think, they are going to say "you are right, I do not belong in T1. Took me years.", and other reasons.

I think that their ability to look objectively on their in-game performance is a measure of them as a person and that if a competent player began underperforming so badly they de-ranked it's fully within their ability to make their way back up the ranks.

[Horseman]

Nesutizale, on 01 November 2019 - 05:10 AM, said:

@ The topic in general
I have a friend who tries to get out of T5 and while he performes well, as far as he told me but his rating won't rise or only go up mm by mm. He says he does well in damage, most of the time top 5 in the team but can't move forward.

Any tips on how he could improve or what matters more, damage, matchscore, XP earned so he can focus on that more.

Ultimately it's down to his winrate and match score. Your performance in matches has a measurable impact on your team's chances of success, and the way the PSR algorithm works it's extremely hard to increase in rating when your team loses.

This further breaks down into:

• Team cohesion - sticking with his teammates improves the survival odds for both himself (because enemy fire will not be focused on him as a single mech) and his teammates (because he will attract some of the enemy fire instead of them)
  
• Survival - which is not the raw durability of his mech, but rather his ability to extend that durability as long as possible by using terrain for cover and avoiding getting in bad firepower trades (where he takes more damage than he does). Pathfinding to avoid excessively dangerous routes through the map is also part of this. Basically don't go YOLO unless you're in an inescapably bad position and conserve your armor (while still laying down fire)
  
• Damage efficiency - dealing a lot of damage pads match score, but it's important to focus that damage so that it converts to kills or otherwise impairs the enemy team's ability to kill yours; do enough of that early enough and the match is likely to snowball in your favor. Getting familiar with common builds and common characteristics of the chassis they're on helps a lot in understanding how to take them apart.
  
• Communication - call out spotted targets, both using the command wheel and voice chat. Try using voice chat to coordinate with the rest of your team and inform them of visual contacts that aren't yet on your radar.
  
• Mechs and builds - derping around can be fun, but a good chassis with a good build can be a substantial multiplier to your performance. My personal recommendation is the Mad Cat Mk II B - armed with 2xUAC5 + 2xUAC10, in lower tiers it can carry matches through raw brute force and once you hit T1 it's no slouch either.

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PS: Yarls list shows us as retiered but we have played for the last month. When does the Yar registers a player as active again?

The list registers you when you appear on the seasonal leaderboards for that month, which requires ten quickplay matches played during that time. It doesn't seem to have been updated with October data just yet.

Edited by Horseman, 01 November 2019 - 06:04 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

The MM that PGI implemented is incomplete for many reasons:

1. The upward bias of the Tier progression
2. Single ranking, ignoring 'mech classes - honestly I believe there should be 4 rankings, one for each weight class - The 'value' of a T1 player in an assault is NOT the same as the 'value' of a T1 player in a light 'mech, AND, just because someone does very well in one weight class doesn't mean they will have the same level of performance in ALL weight classes.
3. A lack of 'battle value' weighting.
4. PGI's historic lack of any sort of significant and consistent advertising MWO to maintain/gain new players - a monumentally stupid decision on their part.

Unfortunately with gaming populations so low it is no longer worth the effort to update/modify the current ranking system into something that works.

There just isn't the population available to support proper distribution of skilled players...

[justcallme A S H]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 12:28 AM, said:

Yeah, I am backing many others up (not all), and it is becoming tire some (those who have children, grandchildren, family, personal lives (called to a big job), disasters, health issues, etc.).

No you aren't.

You are saying you are - however thus far there is not a single person here that agrees with you.

So - STOP - stop pretending you are "speaking" for the playerbase. The playerbase does not agree with you and you are utterly delusional to think so.

This convo is absolutely becoming tiresome because you are deluded pal. Absolutely deluded. I have a life, I work 50-70hrs a week. I can still manage to be good at MWO. Stop making excuses up for why you are below average after 17,000 games and just accept it - you are low skill.

There is no "last word" to be had here. You might get the last word with your submissive other, that won't work here in the public domain.

The end.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 November 2019 - 07:46 AM.

[Dee Eight]

Horseman, on 01 November 2019 - 03:45 AM, said:

When was the last time you've read the code of conduct?

Ahem...

[GuardDogg]

justcallme A S H, on 01 November 2019 - 07:42 AM, said:

No you aren't.

You are saying you are - however thus far there is not a single person here that agrees with you.

So - STOP - stop pretending you are "speaking" for the playerbase. The playerbase does not agree with you and you are utterly delusional to think so.

This convo is absolutely becoming tiresome because you are deluded pal. Absolutely deluded. I have a life, I work 50-70hrs a week. I can still manage to be good at MWO. Stop making excuses up for why you are below average after 17,000 games and just accept it - you are low skill.

There is no "last word" to be had here. You might get the last word with your submissive other, that won't work here in the public domain.

The end.

Are you ever going to be a nice guy? Or just hate? Can you say something nice? Speak positive for the community? Like for everyone? Why are you always angry? And I am writing for others. I know some are playing atm, that are in T1, and they deserve to be in T1. And they worked just as hard as myself. Sometimes they fall, and sometimes they win. So, when you insult me, about my earned Tier, you are insulting them as as their earned Tier as well. And they are very nice people, more friendly, and just play. They do not salt. They live stream. And I am also speaking for my military buddies. So, read between the lines. Do not focus on just me. Da...Da! If you Post about me, and anyone post anything about me. I will be back to defend many. Tiers were earned. Not given.

Edited by GuardDogg, 01 November 2019 - 08:06 AM.

[dario03]

How about we just leave Tiers as is, but stop using it for MM. Instead lets put in a ranking system that is more performance based and use that for MM. That way a player can be T1, but still considered low scoring by the match maker.

[justcallme A S H]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

Are you ever going to be a nice guy? Or just hate? Can you say something nice? Speak positive for the community? Like for everyone? Why are you always angry? And I am writing for others.

I am not angry. I am just stating a point. A point that is shared by many. Many who have posted here thus far.

You are posting a point and claiming that you "represent" other users.

No one thus far has backed you up.




It is time to stop.

[Dimento Graven]

GuardDogg, on 01 November 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

Are you ever going to be a nice guy? Or just hate? Can you say something nice? Speak positive for the community? Like for everyone? Why are you always angry? And I am writing for others. I know some are playing atm, that are in T1, and they deserve to be in T1. And they worked just as hard as myself. Sometimes they fall, and sometimes they win. So, when you insult me, about my earned Tier, you are insulting them as as their earned Tier as well. And they are very nice people, more friendly, and just play. They do not salt. They live stream. And I am also speaking for my military buddies. So, read between the lines. Do not focus on just me. Da...Da! If you Post about me, and anyone post anything about me. I will be back to defend many. Tiers were earned. Not given.

Well, FYI, you don't speak for me.

I've been Tier 1 since they introduced the tiering system, 'earned' through the year (or maybe two years) of game play that PGI used to rank everyone when they switched from a 'black box' elo system to the more transparent tier system.

I'm also a streamer.

I'm also a very salty guy. As said in Money Ball, I hate losing more than I love winning.

Watching the same potatoes play the same way, making the same bonehead mistakes, match after match after match, gets incredibly frustrating.

The current tiering system is 'biased' upwards, meaning as long as you're not consistently doing terribly, you're probably going to move upwards in rank. Slowly crawling your way up to Tier 1, all the while still making the same stupid mistakes, still playing badly, still using 'spray and pray' aiming habits, DOES NOT MEAN you 'deserve' and/or actually 'qualify' as a "Tier 1" player.

Unfortunately there is not enough 'negative feedback' in the game to correct this. For example, nascar: Unfortunately in this game, 100% of the time when both sides are 'nascaring', one side will always win. "Gee, last time I participated in the potato tornado, we won, SO, I'll do it again this match..." is the kind of gaming thought process that is unfortunately being reinforced.

Different map design, random drop points, and other changes might change this tendency, but as it stands now, the game doesn't punish enough for poor play (barely punishes at all), and there's a lot of us who are in Tier 1 who probably don't "deserve" to be ranked as "Tier 1".

[Dee Eight]

dario03, on 01 November 2019 - 08:11 AM, said:

How about we just leave Tiers as is, but stop using it for MM. Instead lets put in a ranking system that is more performance based and use that for MM. That way a player can be T1, but still considered low scoring by the match maker.

The community has been calling for PGI to do that for three years and they refused to listen to those calls.

[K O Z A K]

Guarddogg don't listen to these meanies, you're the tier onest tier 1, it's gonna be ok, k?

....what has become of these forums, it used to at least be entertaining, now it's just sad