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[Kubernetes]

OZ, dude are you drunk? Save that for the game!

[VonBruinwald]

ITT:

• Hide behind cover
  
• Wait for teammate to spot an enemy
  
• Put reticule over target
  
• Step out of cover
  
• Fire
  
• Step back into cover and wait to cool

Quote

I'm better than a lurmboat because I expose!

[Prototelis]

VonBruinwald, on 27 February 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

ITT:

• Hide behind cover 600+ meters from team.
  
• Wait for teammate to spot an enemy
  
• Put circle near square
  
• Fire

Here, I fixed it for you. Despite LOS lock and spread buffs, this is still how "aggressive" forum lurmers still play. This is what we're actually talking about and why ellron has no room to criticize anyone for having a toxic attitude towards teamplay. He is easily the worst offender in the category.

What you're attempting to describe is the best practice fine art of trading; which doesn't require a lock but does require exposure.

As usual; you're wrong on many levels. Trading isn't why FAIT are considered toxic, and altho they are a bunch of dickheads I'd rather have them than the guy who never exposes and lobs auto aim into buildings 4 waves every game.

Edited by Prototelis, 27 February 2020 - 12:31 PM.

[John Bronco]

Just think of all that civilian damage from the heroic lrmer on the other side of the battlefield smashing his face into the fire button.

They will write legends of his deeds.

[Brauer]

VonBruinwald, on 27 February 2020 - 12:14 PM, said:

ITT:

• Hide behind cover
  
• Wait for teammate to spot an enemy
  
• Put reticule over target
  
• Step out of cover
  
• Fire
  
• Step back into cover and wait to cool

Anyone trading who knows what they're doing isn't just waiting for a target to be spotted. If one is spotted sure, it helps limit exposure and increase accuracy because you can pre-aim.

Generally though, basic situational awareness is all you need, and if a trader is firing as often as their cool down or heat allows it's all good.

Nobody benefits from just standing in the open and eating damage, so if you're trying to call that noble or ideal gameplay I'd have to disagree.

There are certainly people who trade who do so in ways that throw the game, but that often comes down to truly bad builds, or poor positioning.

[VonBruinwald]

Brauer, on 27 February 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

Nobody benefits from just standing in the open and eating damage, so if you're trying to call that noble or ideal gameplay I'd have to disagree.

Somebody has to spot for the lurm. Not many people are willing to sacrifice their own mech for another's enjoyment. If that's not noble I don't know what is.

Brauer, on 27 February 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

There are certainly people who trade who do so in ways that throw the game, but that often comes down to truly bad builds, or poor positioning.

I thought that's who this was thread was aimed at. Whenever I see an X type of player is bad thread, I always assume it's aimed at the players who can't do it properly. My post is an example of how a bad player camps/snipes/pokes, just like how Protos example is how a bad player lurms. The entertainment always comes from the people who take offense; bad players take offense because they got called out on their simplicity, "good" players take offense because they like to imagine themselves as more complex/superior in how they play.

[Prototelis]

No one is offended because they have to continually point out that you're wrong. You're admonishing people for things you clearly don't understand.

lol. wut even

Edited by Prototelis, 27 February 2020 - 02:20 PM.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 27 February 2020 - 02:19 PM, said:

lol. wut even

You need to play more QP, then you'll see people doing exactly what I described.

[Prototelis]

You need to learn how to trade; then you might understand it enough to comment on what is actually happening.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 27 February 2020 - 02:52 PM, said:

You need to learn how to trade; then you might understand it enough to comment on what is actually happening.

Lol, you gonna show me?

[Marquis De Lafayette]

VonBruinwald, on 27 February 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

Somebody has to spot for the lurm. Not many people are willing to sacrifice their own mech for another's enjoyment. If that's not noble I don't know what is.

What would be “noble” would be not getting nuked by a teammate lrm-ing (usually without LOS) when I am in a short range brawl with another mech. That’s what would be noble..... I am not spotting, nor sacrificing my mech for you (although I have been team killed by lrms like most of us have).....I am in a fight with your target. Check your fire unless you are sure you have a clear lane....if you do, lob away.....if not....refrain.

If I just had a nickel for every point of lrm team damage I have taken over the years...smh

[Prototelis]

I think a simple explanation, which you've been provided with, is good enough.

If you're still confused there are several good streamers worth watching.

[VonBruinwald]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 27 February 2020 - 03:08 PM, said:

What would be “noble” would be not getting nuked by a teammate lrm-ing (usually without LOS) when I am in a short range brawl with another mech.

If I just had a nickel for every point of lrm team damage I have taken over the years...smh

I know the feeling, although I tend to find it happens with strikes more.

When you're brawling and the enemy has a lurm boat you should be position yourself so this happens to them. Nothing makes an enemy saltier than face mashing your opponent and letting their lurm boat score the kill...

[thievingmagpi]

LRM bad justifies LRMs. More at 11.

[Brauer]

VonBruinwald, on 27 February 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

Somebody has to spot for the lurm. Not many people are willing to sacrifice their own mech for another's enjoyment. If that's not noble I don't know what is.



I thought that's who this was thread was aimed at. Whenever I see an X type of player is bad thread, I always assume it's aimed at the players who can't do it properly. My post is an example of how a bad player camps/snipes/pokes, just like how Protos example is how a bad player lurms. The entertainment always comes from the people who take offense; bad players take offense because they got called out on their simplicity, "good" players take offense because they like to imagine themselves as more complex/superior in how they play.

1. Lrmers can spot for themselves
2. I guess my issue is just that many teams in QP literally don't shoot at the enemy and intentionally take horrendous positions (like low ground with no visibility that can be attacked from all sides) and then try to justify their behavior. Why launch just to be a punching bag?

[John Bronco]

Brauer, on 27 February 2020 - 06:56 PM, said:

Why launch just to be a punching bag?

BECAUSE WE'RE DRUNK, STUPID, AND HAVING FUN.

[Vellron2005]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 27 February 2020 - 04:24 AM, said:

we -were- done and already moved on to several other topics..
-you- freshen it up;

btw: nobody here hates lurms (I guess); just your poor usage of them, to ruin each match you somehow sneak into.



see.. I don't blame anybody for starting out bad. it its THAT mentality however, why you stay bad.
playing bad on purpose is nothing short of trolling, and should be handled by a ban.





same trash, different name. only they don't need the rest to hold locks for them.
topic finished.

Oh.. I guess you weren't done.. Are you done now? Topic finished?

Ok..

[LowSubmarino]

Variery of builds that will brutalize snipers.

Why do you even allow them to dish out that much dmg? Isolated snipers are weak vs mobile skirmishers. And if theres multiple bigger mechs you just push their weakened front line or harass the snipers. Juicy targets.

[General Solo]

Kubernetes, on 27 February 2020 - 09:36 AM, said:

OZ, dude are you drunk? Save that for the game!

Fake moralising makes me want to drink.

[K O Z A K]

OZHomerOZ, on 28 February 2020 - 08:16 PM, said:

Fake moralising makes me want to drink.

cool, how do you feel about fake moralizing by baseless accusation of others of fake moralizing?