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[DAEDALOS513]

Tarl Cabot, on 01 June 2020 - 08:30 AM, said:

This not a Steam only game. Majority of the players utilizes MWO Launchpad. Steam version did not come along until several years later.

I wasn't going to bother telling him because of course he knew this.. this is what these same 3 or 4 guys keep doing, grasping at straws in an attempt to support their arguments.

..I use the steam launcher, my brother colosos doesn't.. I still use steam charts to get a general idea of how the game is faring..

[FRAGTAST1C]

DAEDALOS513, on 01 June 2020 - 08:56 AM, said:

I wasn't going to bother telling him because of course he knew this.. this is what these same 3 or 4 guys keep doing, grasping at straws in an attempt to support their arguments.

What was your point again? ~100 increase on Steam charts which wasn't solely 'cause of the merge. Now, you happily move on to something else but go ahead, pull the stats out and see how wrong you are again.

If anyone's clutching at straws it is someone who needs to look real hard in the mirror 'cause they're hoping that PGI launchers somehow, magically, will show a huge increase in playerbase. Please go find it. We'll wait.

[Anomalocaris]

FRAGTAST1C, on 01 June 2020 - 09:04 AM, said:

What was your point again? ~100 increase on Steam charts which wasn't solely 'cause of the merge. Now, you happily move on to something else but go ahead, pull the stats out and see how wrong you are again.

If anyone's clutching at straws it is someone who needs to look real hard in the mirror 'cause they're hoping that PGI launchers somehow, magically, will show a huge increase in playerbase. Please go find it. We'll wait.

Funny isn't it? The counterargument to assessing player trends using Steam is that somehow the Steam playerbase (which has been quoted at somewhere between 33% and 50% of the playerbase - the former according to Russ on twitter during the first week of the merge) is that somehow it isn't representative. That the trends on the steam charts wouldn't reflect overall trends among the playerbase. As if somehow the merge would have a disparate effect on native launcher players.

But _that_ isn't grasping at straws, no sir.....

I would remind everyone that PGI is notoriously bad at sharing data, and cherry picking what they do. That's their prerogative but it also reveals much about them. If player numbers off steam were positively different, I'm pretty sure they would have said something by now.....

[Horseman]

DAEDALOS513, on 01 June 2020 - 08:56 AM, said:

I wasn't going to bother telling him because of course he knew this.. this is what these same 3 or 4 guys keep doing, grasping at straws in an attempt to support their arguments

Which is why it is folly to try using Steam's data as exhaustive. You need to wait for Jarl's to get May and June data at the very least.

EDIT: May data is in: https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/stats

• 17K players
  
• 2K new players

Essentially, the numbers are back to values from last August. With the lockdowns ending soon, we'll get to see how much of that influx remains.

Edited by Horseman, 01 June 2020 - 10:13 AM.

[DevinMace]

The arguments on here are NASCAR...

[DAEDALOS513]

Horseman, on 01 June 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

Which is why it is folly to try using Steam's data as exhaustive. You need to wait for Jarl's to get May and June data at the very least.

Exhaustive? I said 'general'.. u 3 are constantly twisting my words around ..

DevinMace, on 01 June 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

The arguments on here are NASCAR...

Truer words were never spoken..

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 01 June 2020 - 12:27 PM.

[DaFrog]

Reset it: being Tier 1 sucks mostly because the matches are all predictable Nascar based. Other tiers don't seem to suffer from that.

[Nearly Dead]

Being June 1st I was hoping for some official word as to what they are doing, when, and how.

[BigBadVlad]

QP just not fun anymore......

[Nearly Dead]

I probably played from noon to six today. I think there were one or two close games. It was either stomp or be stomped. I think my time this evening will be spent reading or watching Paul Sellers woodworking videos on YouTube.


Getting stomped is frustrating, killing disorganized players who are too confused to get out of the fire is depressing. I don't need any more of either in my life.

Fix it. Now.

[Spare Knight]

So, when are we getting the reset?

[SaltyStrudel]

I apologize if this is answered elsewhere, but will we be allowed to group up larger than 4 when the combined queues are finalized? I have a group of 5 and it sucks we cant drop in QP together anymore.

[Brauer]

SaltyStrudel, on 01 June 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

I apologize if this is answered elsewhere, but will we be allowed to group up larger than 4 when the combined queues are finalized? I have a group of 5 and it sucks we cant drop in QP together anymore.

afaik there is no talk of increasing group size. Drop as a 3 and a 2. You'll likely often get dropped in the same matches and even on the same side on occasion.

[Tarl Cabot]

SaltyStrudel, on 01 June 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

I apologize if this is answered elsewhere, but will we be allowed to group up larger than 4 when the combined queues are finalized? I have a group of 5 and it sucks we cant drop in QP together anymore.

What Braur said, or go merc and join Faction Play....

[Revis Volek]

Its 2020, i dont think i have played this game or been on the forums in like 2 yrs....


FIRST thing i see, Players asking for Tiers to be reset and better PSR ranking and Paul is still trying to figure it out.


Some things really dont change.

[FRAGTAST1C]

DAEDALOS513, on 01 June 2020 - 10:14 AM, said:

Exhaustive? I said 'general'.. u 3 are constantly twisting my words around ..

The Berry Brothers and the Nicholas Brothers have found their equal, at least in verbal form...

I mean, you bring up stats to show "how right you are" and are constantly proven to be either inadequate or totally wrong. But then, you add a caveat. What is not general? The Steam charts show an increase, so you brought that up. Now, you can bring up the PGI's own launcher's stats. Here's an idea... how 'bout using Jarl's for a "general" fact-check? Since we can include new accounts in the same breath as alt accounts, there's really no difference, is there?

Tarl Cabot, on 01 June 2020 - 06:10 PM, said:

What Braur said, or go merc and join Faction Play....

Loyalist is the new Merc

[Cementi]

Doing this is kinda too little too late however......

Do it and I will play again. I have not played in a very very long time. I just pop in now and then out of morbid curiosity and a vain hope that something will be done. I don't know for how long I would play and I doubt I would personally put more money into it (not a slight I just put far to much allready) but I would play. I also suspect I know a good number of people personally that would give it a try. I would even go out of the way to try and convince them to play again.

Tactically I am an ok player. Twitch skill wise I am mediocre at best. There is no way in hell I should have been a T2 almost T1 player. As I climbed Tiers the fun just went down. People stopped doing random crazy stuff and everyone seemed to be running the same stuff doing the same things.....just some better than others.

I would relish a tier reset, bring it on.

[Cementi]

D U N E, on 25 May 2020 - 04:49 PM, said:

To anyone not wanting this - Not being Tier 1 isn't a bad thing. It's a system to ensure you are on the right side of the field. It shouldn't be a bar to grind. It should be a system to ensure fair balance in games to avoid stomps and make closer matches.

I agree with you. In additon though if it had never been made visible to anyone but yourself far less would feel it was a bar to grind.

[D V Devnull]

Cementi, on 01 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

In additon though if it had never been made visible to anyone but yourself far less would feel it was a bar to grind.

You leave me shaking my head in disbelief, Cementi... Apparently, you are unaware that the Tier Display is private by default, and therefore starts out only visible to the person it belongs to. People have to opt-in for showing it to the rest of the MWO Community, NOT opt-out from a start of it being shown off for them.

~Mr. D. V. "I would like to know what you are smoking in regards to Tier Display, just so I can avoid it!" Devnull

[Kroete]

Anomalocaris, on 31 May 2020 - 11:34 AM, said:

Saturday April 18th - 712 peak players (last pre-merge event weekend)
April 25th - 665 peak players (no event)
May 2 - 812 peak players (merge + double xp event)
May 9 - 870 (g'day mate event)
May 16 - 754 (not sure if g'day event was still active)
May 23 - 833 (holiday weekend in US and UK + 7 sins event)
May 30 - 750 (7 sins event still active but pretty much over for most people I'm guessing, call it no event if you like)

If 50 players more or less are relevant, you have a problem with your online only game.

But lets do some math:
720 players, thats 30 matches, divided by 5 tiers, we have 6 matches a tier,
but we need to look at the gaussian distribution too,
so we will have around 2 tier 1 matches, 7 tier 2 matches, 12 tier 3 matches, 7 tier 4 matches and 2 tier 5 matches.

Means we need less tiers to cater for the different skills in relation to waittimes
or you can just skip all that tiers because open valves most time.
3 tiers would be better, with 7/16/7 matches a time.

Matching groups in the matchmaking would also work better if the advantage of groups would be counted too.
Like adding some virtual increased psr (+5% for each teammember) or putting groups one tier higher in the matchmaking.

And whats about muiltiple groups a team?
2+3 is 2 groups and more then 5 ...
Though this should not happen, wasnt there something about just one group a team?

Edited by Kroete, 02 June 2020 - 01:15 AM.