Grand Dragon Needs A Name Change
#81
Posted 16 May 2021 - 01:29 PM
#83
Posted 16 May 2021 - 01:36 PM
#84
Posted 16 May 2021 - 01:48 PM
Escef, on 16 May 2021 - 01:29 PM, said:
Gonads Dragon.
Let your imagination be guided by Dark Souls.
Nah, it needs to stay Japanese-ish. ULTRA DRAGON!
PS... If you think lawsuits by Harmony Gold were fun... next level! (Stephen freaking Spielberg couldn't license the dude!)
Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 16 May 2021 - 01:50 PM.
#85
Posted 16 May 2021 - 01:57 PM
Jables McBarty, on 16 May 2021 - 08:36 AM, said:
PGI needs to remove KKK references from this game.
I'm tired of seeing a reference to racist POS's every time I press R.
By putting the Grand Dragon into MWO, PGI has made clear what kind of player they want.
I at least am done spending money on MWO until the Grand Dragon has been renamed. I don't care what the name is, I don't care if this is Lore-Friendly or not or whatever, it's racist and it has to go.
And I'm likely to stop playing. It's exhausting to see this crap, and it makes the game less fun.
EDITED TO ADD:
If you think I am being overly sensitive and you live in North America, maybe just google Grand Dragon and see what pops up. I'm on a VPN and a Private Browsing Session and the first five results are about the KKK. Then a few hotels in Asia. Then more KKK results.
If you aren't from North America, then I understand you may not know about the KKK or the fact that high ranking officers from the Klan were called Grand Dragons. Now you know.
(Oh, and the BT 'mech is nowhere on the front page.)
Does seeing my name make your head explode? If no answer I will take it as a yes.
#86
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:02 PM
I think we could still keep things mythical in nature, too, to keep in mind the original intent of the name. Something that would fit in with Japanese lore, like the mythical creature of dragons did. It didn't really exist, if not for tall tales.
If the combination of words is the problem, then let's just change the name of the Mech itself, as I like the idea of the word 'Grand'. It conveys the largest or most important item of its kind, according to the dictionary. Given that the Grand Dragon, in the novels, was a one-off design armed with a PPC instead of an AC/5, I think we should stick with Grand. The leader of the whole Draconis Combine piloted it.
So, with the above considerations in place, I propose we rename the Mech the Grand Wizard.
#87
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:03 PM
Or we could take a page from the playbook of oppressed groups and disarm racist terminology by even adopting derogatory terms, thus refusing to cede parts of the language to racists?
Nah, let's continue tilting at windmills in order to virtue signal harder.
#88
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:08 PM
Felbombling, on 16 May 2021 - 02:02 PM, said:
I think we could still keep things mythical in nature, too, to keep in mind the original intent of the name. Something that would fit in with Japanese lore, like the mythical creature of dragons did. It didn't really exist, if not for tall tales.
If the combination of words is the problem, then let's just change the name of the Mech itself, as I like the idea of the word 'Grand'. It conveys the largest or most important item of its kind, according to the dictionary. Given that the Grand Dragon, in the novels, was a one-off design armed with a PPC instead of an AC/5, I think we should stick with Grand. The leader of the whole Draconis Combine piloted it.
So, with the above considerations in place, I propose we rename the Mech the Grand Wizard.
Euphemism treadmill.....
#89
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:15 PM
Jables McBarty, on 16 May 2021 - 08:36 AM, said:
PGI needs to remove KKK references from this game.
I'm tired of seeing a reference to racist POS's every time I press R.
By putting the Grand Dragon into MWO, PGI has made clear what kind of player they want.
I at least am done spending money on MWO until the Grand Dragon has been renamed. I don't care what the name is, I don't care if this is Lore-Friendly or not or whatever, it's racist and it has to go.
And I'm likely to stop playing. It's exhausting to see this crap, and it makes the game less fun.
EDITED TO ADD:
If you think I am being overly sensitive and you live in North America, maybe just google Grand Dragon and see what pops up. I'm on a VPN and a Private Browsing Session and the first five results are about the KKK. Then a few hotels in Asia. Then more KKK results.
If you aren't from North America, then I understand you may not know about the KKK or the fact that high ranking officers from the Klan were called Grand Dragons. Now you know.
(Oh, and the BT 'mech is nowhere on the front page.)
This is your own extrapolation of the words. It's just a name that ties into the in-game culture of the faction that birthed that mech. If you see something racist in it, that's back on you. So maybe look at yourself and think hard about why you are only seeing racist things, you might learn something about yourself.
#90
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:51 PM
My vote is for: Gurando Dragon which is just the Japanese pronunciation of Grand or Gurando Doragon, either of which pays homage to the origins of this mech.
Edited by Nightbird, 16 May 2021 - 07:53 PM.
#91
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:53 PM
#92
Posted 16 May 2021 - 02:58 PM
Fherot, on 16 May 2021 - 02:53 PM, said:
Indeed, they should just wear their racism out in the open, like a bunch of folks did back on January 6th.
#93
Posted 16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM
Dangit on a side note I guess my Crusader is out of the question now.
Edited by Novakaine, 16 May 2021 - 03:56 PM.
#97
Posted 16 May 2021 - 05:12 PM
Escef, on 16 May 2021 - 04:57 PM, said:
I don't know what that means or how it correlates to MWO? You're looking for a fight now that isn't here.
Edited by HammerMaster, 16 May 2021 - 05:12 PM.
#98
Posted 16 May 2021 - 05:22 PM
But as someone who has a *direct, vested, personal interest IRL in opposing the KKK...*
You need to get over it and get some perspective.Edit: Apologies, this came off as more mean spirited than it should have; edited to make it less so.
Edited by Saint Dane Icaza, 17 May 2021 - 04:14 AM.
#99
Posted 16 May 2021 - 05:31 PM
Escef, on 16 May 2021 - 12:18 PM, said:
Oh, you got me, son! I'm mediocre at a video game! That invalidates everything I've ever said!
You're such a rube. No wonder people take advantage of you so easily. How much money have you thrown at people that despise you? Because you know the reactionaries that you idolize all see you as nothing more than a useful idiot. But, hey, go buy more of their soy-based brain pills and willy elongation cream.
When you base your argument upon "I'm better at this videogame than you are" and it turns out that you're actually not? Yes it does mean that you were wrong. Don't base your argument upon your personal video game skills if you can't back it up. Rely on the merit of your argument.
Edited by Saint Dane Icaza, 17 May 2021 - 04:02 AM.
#100
Posted 16 May 2021 - 05:36 PM
HammerMaster, on 16 May 2021 - 05:12 PM, said:
I don't know what that means...
Heh, I wager you do.
Saint Dane Icaza, on 16 May 2021 - 05:31 PM, said:
When you base your argument upon "I'm better at this videogame than you are"
No, that's not what I based my argument on, but, hey, good job trying to misrepresent me and lie about what I said. To me, of all people. Get better lies.
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