1453 R, on 04 October 2021 - 07:08 PM, said:
There's a pervasive issue with trans rights, and with rights for most any other minority group, that I've come to think of as the 'Over There' problem. In short: certain folks claim to "Support Trans Rights"...so long as they don't have to acknowledge trans rights. So long as trans people exercise their rights privately, in their own homes, where decent right-minded cis folk don't have to see it, hear it, look at it, put up with it, or acknowledge it in any form. If a man and his husband hold hands in public? That's not okay. That's not right. That's a bunch of gay folk trying to "force their values on people", or Aggressively Pushing Their Agenda, or something else. Someone wears a Pride shirt? Same thing. A man wears his hair long, or does his nails, because it's the closest she can come to letting herself out in the world? Same thing.
These folks will protest vehemently that they're not [X]ist or Against Rights. Not at all! They just don't see why trans people (or whichever other group of people is getting Over There'd) can't just exercise their rights they totally deserve to have...over there, somewhere.
It's negative-space ostracization, and every bit as harmful as the fiery, overt bigots. Honestly? They're significantly more dangerous and harmful, because they like to sound just ever so reasonable on the surface whilst taking gleeful pride in teaching LGBTQ folk to be ashamed of themselves and that they can only be themselves in secrecy. They can't share their lives with people the way other folks can because their lives are just shameful, and nobody judges...so long as they lead their shameful lives Over There.
Which is exactly what's going on in this thread. Sadly.
See now that is a logical statement of a perspective and that is more of what your movement needs! You've stated the issue for those who don't know. Now I can consider that issue with being antagonized.
All were saying is not in game. If you want to post in the forum, I personaly don't have issue with that. And this issue isn't actualy what you or the person spamming is standing for, it's the place. Would you like me to spam pro choice or pro gun propaganda in game? Or talk about religion on the open channel? Spam of any kind is spam and should not be allowed. No one is against you or your movement just that annoying people isn't going to help?
Your last post was neither inflamitory, it was in context of this thread and was a logical statement of your situation. If you want support for your movement, keep making statements like that in the appropriate place. At the moment, this has been the appropriate place until this thread is shut down lol.
And like i said. 10 to 20 years for full normalization. Its going to take this younger generation who has been exposed to gay couples in the media that long to grow up and be old enough to affect change for it to be widely accepted. Maybe sooner, but when it does happen, most people won't even notice. And thats what you want isn't it? For us to not notice a gay couple holding hands? Just to accept it as part of everyday life? Correct me if im wrong, but thats the goal here, no sarcasim.
Oh, BTW, I have long hair, do my nails in black and wear eyeliner when I go out and i'm a straight man. But I also listen to Sisters of Mercy, The Cure etc...so you know what scene i'm in and the movment exsits there without prejudice
Edited by Danichi Itobar, 04 October 2021 - 07:33 PM.