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[Hunka Junk]

Nomad Tech, on 14 March 2022 - 08:26 PM, said:

I have not lied about anything, the lights i spoke about earlier are borderline cheat mechs

Anything that I can't pilot for doodoo but other people can give me a good spanking with=cheat mechs

But you're right. You weren't lying because lying is about facts.

Your opinion is just that. Stop presenting your opinion as a fact.

[Akamia Terizen]

LordNothing, on 16 March 2022 - 04:38 PM, said:

sometimes i think the whole forum is just one person with a bunch of alts arguing with themselves.

Become one with the hivemind.
For the Swarm!

[LordNothing]

Akamia Terizen, on 16 March 2022 - 09:03 PM, said:

Become one with the hivemind.
For the Swarm!

resistance is futile

[martian]

Hunka Junk, on 16 March 2022 - 05:13 PM, said:

Anything that I can't pilot for doodoo but other people can give me a good spanking with=cheat mechs

Accusing other players of cheating is probably easier that admitting that one's gunnery skills are not as good as one thinks.

[Weeny Machine]

martian, on 16 March 2022 - 11:26 PM, said:

Accusing other players of cheating is probably easier that admitting that one's gunnery skills are not as good as one thinks.

While I agree with you, you never can entirely rule out cheating. I mean, MWO would be the first online pvp game without cheaters...

[Gagis]

Theres some cheaters, who get reported and banned.

But when forum warriors, especially ones known for being really really bad at the game, accuse people of cheating, its pretty much guaranteed ******** every time.

[martian]

Weeny Machine, on 17 March 2022 - 12:00 AM, said:

While I agree with you, you never can entirely rule out cheating. I mean, MWO would be the first online pvp game without cheaters...

Of course, once a year you can see a cheater using aimbot, etc.

However, running a fragile light 'Mech and using it to kill heavier 'Mechs is definitely not cheating.

[Hunka Junk]

Weeny Machine, on 17 March 2022 - 12:00 AM, said:

While I agree with you, you never can entirely rule out cheating. I mean, MWO would be the first online pvp game without cheaters...

But this is someone claiming that a whole pile of mechs in the game are cheating because he can't play them effectively.

Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone in a multiplayer pvp game sobbing about whatever they don't play being OP.

Taking this one step further, if you know you're going to be hit in the back, don't run your mech with 6 back armor.

Oh well, if I have to do that because of those mechs, those mechs are cheating!

[Vxheous]

Hunka Junk, on 17 March 2022 - 09:17 AM, said:

But this is someone claiming that a whole pile of mechs in the game are cheating because he can't play them effectively.

Then again, it wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone in a multiplayer pvp game sobbing about whatever they don't play being OP.

Taking this one step further, if you know you're going to be hit in the back, don't run your mech with 6 back armor.

Oh well, if I have to do that because of those mechs, those mechs are cheating!

I'm gonna be honest and say that all my light mechs run 1 back armour, and everything else (including assaults) only run 2 back armour. That said, my positioning 99% of the time is extremely good, so /shrug

[ScrapIron Prime]

And for those of you who think that lights are OP, this latest video by D A T A might prove useful... common mistakes made by light mech brawlers. Learn them, exploit them.

[Hunka Junk]

Vxheous, on 17 March 2022 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm gonna be honest and say that all my light mechs run 1 back armour, and everything else (including assaults) only run 2 back armour. That said, my positioning 99% of the time is extremely good, so /shrug

Right, but you're not the one saying that these mechs are borderline cheating:

Fleas
Piranhas
Myst Lynx's
Locusts
Arctic Cheetahs
Commandos
Incubus

Edited by Hunka Junk, 17 March 2022 - 11:20 AM.

[Escef]

Hunka Junk, on 17 March 2022 - 09:17 AM, said:

But this is someone claiming that a whole pile of mechs in the game are cheating because he can't play them effectively.

No, it isn't because he can't play them effectively (though I kinda' suspect that he's never used one at all), it's because he can't play against them effectively.

That and he mistakes his own personal inability to be evidence of innate imbalance. And you know what? As I said before, I get it. When your computer is outdated, your eyes are old, your reflexes aren't what they once were, your settings aren't optimized, and you don't use interfaces designed for competitive gaming, yeah, nailing light mechs is less than easy. I'm in the same damned boat on this one. I'm trash against lights. However, I've also played a lot of light mechs, and I recognize that they are the hardest weight class to play effectively, the most fragile mechs on the field, and that they generally pack less firepower than heavier chassis.

I've seen top tier players put down lights with less effort than I put into scratching my ***. What doesn't help is that a lot of folks ignorantly proclaim Streaks to be unstoppable anti-light weapons, which they most certainly are not. (The only thing Streaks have going for them is that the lock-on mechanics are forgiving of imprecise aim. I've seen a Locust facetank a full spread of 36 Streaks from a Mad Dog and run away on at least 2 occasions. A Locust facetanking a BoomJager isn't likely to be going anywhere. Last time I got silly and pulled out my StreakDog I plowed multiple volleys into a Panther, and he tanked it like a boss.)

You wanna kill lights? Optimize your settings, work on your aim, use beam or ballistic weapons.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Isn't that what it's all about, though? Realizing that when you're getting rekt game after game and admitting to yourself "I need to do something differently," whether it be positioning, or mechlab builds, or ridge peeking, or situational awareness...

[pattonesque]

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 March 2022 - 12:42 PM, said:

Isn't that what it's all about, though? Realizing that when you're getting rekt game after game and admitting to yourself "I need to do something differently," whether it be positioning, or mechlab builds, or ridge peeking, or situational awareness...

Advanced Mechdaddery is believing that your experience at a tabletop tournament back in 1987 combined with 2,000 hours of the History Channel means you don't need to learn anything new and any loss you suffer is due to cheating.

[ScrapIron Prime]

pattonesque, on 17 March 2022 - 12:45 PM, said:

Advanced Mechdaddery is believing that your experience at a tabletop tournament back in 1987 combined with 2,000 hours of the History Channel means you don't need to learn anything new and any loss you suffer is due to cheating.

Hey now, I have AWARDS from those 1987 tabletop tournaments!

[Escef]

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 March 2022 - 12:42 PM, said:

Isn't that what it's all about, though? Realizing that when you're getting rekt game after game and admitting to yourself "I need to do something differently," whether it be positioning, or mechlab builds, or ridge peeking, or situational awareness...

Well, part of the problem is that people accuse him of lying. He's not. While he's saying things that are not true, he seems to genuinely believe what he's saying. I'm not going to say the guy is lying, I'm not going to say he's being malicious; all I'm saying is that he's fallen into the common problem of a misattribution error. And until he's willing to consider that the problem is him, he isn't going to improve. And accusations of lying and poking fun of the guy isn't going to accelerate him coming around; point of fact, it creates an adversarial relationship where he is even more strongly invested in maintaining a belief that does not reflect reality.

[Gagis]

Escef, on 17 March 2022 - 12:58 PM, said:

Well, part of the problem is that people accuse him of lying. He's not. While he's saying things that are not true, he seems to genuinely believe what he's saying. I'm not going to say the guy is lying, I'm not going to say he's being malicious; all I'm saying is that he's fallen into the common problem of a misattribution error. And until he's willing to consider that the problem is him, he isn't going to improve. And accusations of lying and poking fun of the guy isn't going to accelerate him coming around; point of fact, it creates an adversarial relationship where he is even more strongly invested in maintaining a belief that does not reflect reality.

Hes never going to come around. The forum software lets you block a user. I recommend people use that more often instead of responding to useless threads.

Edited by Gagis, 18 March 2022 - 12:08 AM.

[Hunka Junk]

Escef, on 17 March 2022 - 12:58 PM, said:

And accusations of lying and poking fun of the guy isn't going to accelerate him coming around; point of fact, it creates an adversarial relationship where he is even more strongly invested in maintaining a belief that does not reflect reality.

Oh, we're not really debating. Just pointing out how ridiculous his opinions presented as facts are.

Turning your playstyle into a religion and then launching a crusade against "the cheaters" is pure folly.

UP NEXT: Hellebore Outpost is cheating

[D A T A]

i am doing lots of videos on piranhas, check JGx DATA on yt to see if that is the case you are describing.....it's no cheat, it's just that some lights are insanely strong

[Hunka Junk]

D A T A, on 18 March 2022 - 03:49 AM, said:

i am doing lots of videos on piranhas, check JGx DATA on yt to see if that is the case you are describing.....it's no cheat, it's just that some lights are insanely strong

And these insanely strong lights are the least played mech tonnage compared to mediums, heavies, and assaults.

That must be acknowledged as well.