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[D A T A]

Hunka Junk, on 18 March 2022 - 06:28 AM, said:

And these insanely strong lights are the least played mech tonnage compared to mediums, heavies, and assaults.

That must be acknowledged as well.

nope, not the specific ones....class as a whole performance has little to do with 1-2-3 overperformers that i point out, and that are actually very much played and abused, like mist lynx

[PocketYoda]

D A T A, on 18 March 2022 - 08:22 AM, said:

nope, not the specific ones....class as a whole performance has little to do with 1-2-3 overperformers that i point out, and that are actually very much played and abused, like mist lynx

Agreed that was my point all along. Some of the lights are way over performing its almost considered legal in game cheating.. They can bad mouth me all they like.

I kill as much as i can in my skill levels which is between tiers 4 and 3. I have no interest in ever going to tiers 2 or 1 as i don't enjoy the game style there.

That said i don't care what they believe, i see what i see. That said it all wont matter in 4 years time.

Edited by Nomad Tech, 19 March 2022 - 03:59 AM.

[Hunka Junk]

D A T A, on 18 March 2022 - 08:22 AM, said:

nope, not the specific ones....class as a whole performance has little to do with 1-2-3 overperformers that i point out, and that are actually very much played and abused, like mist lynx

You can't claim overperformance without evidence.

What stats show that they are overperforming?

If they are overperforming, why does the matchmaker constantly show that you'll get matches faster playing a light because it is comparatively less played than the other weight classes?

By that, I mean everybody should be taking advantage of the overperforming mechs. They don't.

Edited by Hunka Junk, 19 March 2022 - 06:40 AM.

[Vxheous]

Hunka Junk, on 19 March 2022 - 06:25 AM, said:

You can't claim overperformance without evidence.

What stats show that they are overperforming?

If they are overperforming, why does the matchmaker constantly show that you'll get matches faster playing a light because it is comparatively less played than the other weight classes?

By that, I mean everybody should be taking advantage of the overperforming mechs. They don't.

Lights in a skilled players hands can be devastating, but no more than any other class of mechs in the same players hands. The other classes though don't have the downsides of the fragility of lights, and it takes far less concentration and far more forgiveness of mistakes to play anything other than lights and still do well.

We all know that D A T A prefers a very specific playstyle, and lights tend to be a hard counter to his preferred playstyle, so he's been out to prove lights are OP.

[pattonesque]

Vxheous, on 19 March 2022 - 07:47 AM, said:

Lights in a skilled players hands can be devastating, but no more than any other class of mechs in the same players hands. The other classes though don't have the downsides of the fragility of lights, and it takes far less concentration and far more forgiveness of mistakes to play anything other than lights and still do well.

We all know that D A T A prefers a very specific playstyle, and lights tend to be a hard counter to his preferred playstyle, so he's been out to prove lights are OP.

he's an exceptional player and you see him often pull huge damage numbers in a good light. Clutched a 1-v-4 at the end of a match against a team I was playing on in an Ember just recently. But a. you have to wonder if he would have had to clutch it if he was rocking his Gauss/ERLL Dire Wolf and b. I've also seen matches in which he dies early because lights are so unforgiving of even small mistakes

[Gas Guzzler]

the wee free folk, on 09 March 2022 - 12:54 AM, said:

ah...screen shot, there's the rub, too aghast at the thing to think.

Shakespeare is among us!

[pbiggz]

Vxheous, on 19 March 2022 - 07:47 AM, said:

Lights in a skilled players hands can be devastating, but no more than any other class of mechs in the same players hands. The other classes though don't have the downsides of the fragility of lights, and it takes far less concentration and far more forgiveness of mistakes to play anything other than lights and still do well.

We all know that D A T A prefers a very specific playstyle, and lights tend to be a hard counter to his preferred playstyle, so he's been out to prove lights are OP.

Yeah. Anything in a skilled player's hands is devastating and I think we all agree here that edge cases are not a justification for nerfs, otherwise, whatever kills D A T A that month is getting hit with the bat, and we're right back to what happened with Paul Inouye, who cyclically nerfed whatever killed him when he (infrequently) logged in.

[Vxheous]

pbiggz, on 19 March 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Yeah. Anything in a skilled player's hands is devastating and I think we all agree here that edge cases are not a justification for nerfs, otherwise, whatever kills D A T A that month is getting hit with the bat, and we're right back to what happened with Paul Inouye, who cyclically nerfed whatever killed him when he (infrequently) logged in.

Good thing D A T A is only one of many in the cauldron and not the sole balancer.

[Hunka Junk]

Vxheous, on 19 March 2022 - 07:47 AM, said:

Lights in a skilled players hands can be devastating, but no more than any other class of mechs in the same players hands. The other classes though don't have the downsides of the fragility of lights, and it takes far less concentration and far more forgiveness of mistakes to play anything other than lights and still do well.

We all know that D A T A prefers a very specific playstyle, and lights tend to be a hard counter to his preferred playstyle, so he's been out to prove lights are OP.

You have that, and you have the fact that it is holy scripture in this game that you put your armor on the front and leave you backside exposed.

If you're getting shot in the back where you didn't put any armor and killed fast, that's on you.

There is no substance to "You're overpowered because you exploit the weakness I built into my mech."

Edited by Hunka Junk, 19 March 2022 - 06:16 PM.

[Scout Derek]

pbiggz, on 19 March 2022 - 09:43 AM, said:

Yeah. Anything in a skilled player's hands is devastating and I think we all agree here that edge cases are not a justification for nerfs, otherwise, whatever kills D A T A that month is getting hit with the bat, and we're right back to what happened with Paul Inouye, who cyclically nerfed whatever killed him when he (infrequently) logged in.

The way I look at it is that there's people who shoot well and have respectable opinions, and those that shoot well and don't have respectable opinions.

Think of it like movie actors; they do their job well.... but when you look at their opinions you can't help but wince at some of it, and I'm sure most around here understand what I'm talking about and/or have seen it gone down in recent years.

[Mahpsy]

the wee free folk, on 09 March 2022 - 12:29 AM, said:

Okay I know how this title sounds.
In the last week during matches I have heard over the comms several times something akin to "someone must be cheating, i just went from full armour to cored in less than a second!" And I have just thought oh yeah, you just didn't see the dude with twin heavy gauss at your back. But it happened to me this morning, I'm there behind a wall, then this light comes up to me, i get a lock so i know he has a **** load of small lasers, i dump 3ml and 6 mg on them there is one blast of his lasers and then PHASIZZLE im cored . . . 64 armour points through in one hit, the display comes up with you have been destroyed, displays a load of damage and hits that just can't have been there . . .

So is there a cheat out there, I play this game because it seemed fair and cheats couldn't exist.
Please tell me there is a known glitch, goodness knows this game has glitches.

Servers might be a bit off today. I too got insta cored from a Griffin with SRM's. He ran into my face fires 1 volly, hits but im still yellow across everything. I jump jet and keep looking at him with my legs facing him too and I get insta cored from behind... From the front? All my armor was still yellow.

[Hobbles v]

Just Shoot The Light.



*edit. adding part 2*

Edited by Hobbles v, 21 March 2022 - 07:56 PM.

[JudauAshta]

Hunka Junk, on 19 March 2022 - 06:25 AM, said:

You can't claim overperformance without evidence.

What stats show that they are overperforming?

If they are overperforming, why does the matchmaker constantly show that you'll get matches faster playing a light because it is comparatively less played than the other weight classes?

By that, I mean everybody should be taking advantage of the overperforming mechs. They don't.

did you not see the video where he smacks bowser as a light while bowser played assault
he couldn't torse twist his way out of humiliation lmao

Edited by JudauAshta, 20 March 2022 - 12:06 PM.

[pattonesque]

Hobbles v, on 20 March 2022 - 12:04 PM, said:

Just Shoot The Light.

mechdads please watch this video and note he's not doing anything that requires some kind of secret knowledge. It's just staying calm, lining up your shot (if you're using projectiles) or not waving your laser burn around like you're in the middle of an earthquake

[Hunka Junk]

JudauAshta, on 20 March 2022 - 12:06 PM, said:

did you not see the video where he smacks bowser as a light while bowser played assault
he couldn't torse twist his way out of humiliation lmao

And what does that tell us?

How much back armor did Mr Assault have?

[Der Geisterbaer]

Hunka Junk, on 20 March 2022 - 01:24 PM, said:

And what does that tell us?

How much back armor did Mr Assault have?

The back armor played next to no role in that video just like twisting (on either side) was more or less irrelevant. What really mattered where the lowered armor amounts on the legs of those "meta sniper builds" that Bowser used and the fact that - contrary to the premise of the "test" - D A T A actually rarely engaged from "relatively open terrain" and / or "head on" where Bowser had the chance to truly hit D A T A before D A T A himself was within his weapon range and could fully utilize the maneuverability of a light mech with jump jets.

[cazeral]

Hunka Junk, on 19 March 2022 - 06:25 AM, said:

You can't claim overperformance without evidence.

What stats show that they are overperforming?

If they are overperforming, why does the matchmaker constantly show that you'll get matches faster playing a light because it is comparatively less played than the other weight classes?

By that, I mean everybody should be taking advantage of the overperforming mechs. They don't.

Because the MM is so broken, it just looks for numbers rather than PSR or tonnage.

You know fine well that some lights can 2 alpha shot anything that is currently fielded if they can get close enough. Made worse with ecm/stealth mechs that mysteriously don't show on seismics even when you are stood firm.

[PocketYoda]

Hobbles v, on 20 March 2022 - 12:04 PM, said:

Just Shoot The Light.

Try that again in 300-400 ping times.. no the server rewind does not keep up.

[Vxheous]

Nomad Tech, on 20 March 2022 - 08:39 PM, said:

Try that again in 300-400 ping times.. no the server rewind does not keep up.

Yes it does, because when I play on oceanic servers and my ping is 300, I still don't have any issues hitting lights, so maybe it's your computer/your connection problem.

[Hunka Junk]

cazeral, on 20 March 2022 - 03:41 PM, said:

Because the MM is so broken, it just looks for numbers rather than PSR or tonnage.

You know fine well that some lights can 2 alpha shot anything that is currently fielded if they can get close enough. Made worse with ecm/stealth mechs that mysteriously don't show on seismics even when you are stood firm.

You mean 2 alpha shot the rear torso that has 4-8 armor?

Otherwise, show video.