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[Mobile Ordnance Platform]

how about a hybrid

weekends 12v12

weekdays (and/or off-peak hours) 8v8

then you get static variation u can plan around and people also have a choice

[w0qj]

+1
I second this!

TTB, on 15 August 2025 - 07:11 PM, said:

Thanks for sharing the results and being willing to experiment a bit! I've said for years that I'm personally not a fan of soup queue as it benefits groups too much at the detriment of solo players, but I'd rather have that than no queue.

That being said, how about a 8v8 or 12v12 "classic quickplay experience" no groups, one map for 6 hours (e.g. mining collective or other beloved classics) event queue?

[Phaneron]

Turns out I missed the 8v8 games like the old school days. Not surprised since your actions have far more impact on the game with a lower number of players on each side, which for me improves teamwork and tactical decisions. But I see why people want to return to 12v12. It's easier to hunt low tier players this way, and easier to get carried. A form of laziness if you will.

[smokefield]

it was fun and what i liked the most is that it actually highlighted the weak players, not necessary bad at the game but those that dont care about the team and they just make you lose the game ...

[killkimno]

If want to make 8vs8, please limit it to a specific time , not a specific period.

(Ex: 8vs8 scheduled from 15min every hour, 00:00 to 00:15 / 13:00 to 13:15)

It's extremely difficult to play 8vs8 during a specific time slot.
Also, only those who participate in the event queue will be able to participate.

[UMPA Viper]

TTB, on 15 August 2025 - 07:11 PM, said:

Thanks for sharing the results and being willing to experiment a bit! I've said for years that I'm personally not a fan of soup queue as it benefits groups too much at the detriment of solo players, but I'd rather have that than no queue.

That being said, how about a 8v8 or 12v12 "classic quickplay experience" no groups, one map for 6 hours (e.g. mining collective or other beloved classics) event queue?

Odd , coming from someone that constantly plays in a group . . . . . . . . .

[caseysrevenge]

Couple of matches in and already missing 8v8 much better game experience 😢

[Drunk CEO Monologues]

UMPA Viper, on 16 August 2025 - 04:31 AM, said:

Odd , coming from someone that constantly plays in a group . . . . . . . . .

He clearly enjoys winning. Of course, if he were a terribad grouped with other terribads he'd probably lose even more....

[epikt]

UMPA Viper, on 16 August 2025 - 04:31 AM, said:

Odd , coming from someone that constantly plays in a group . . . . . . . . .

Drunk CEO Monologues, on 16 August 2025 - 05:57 AM, said:

He clearly enjoys winning. Of course, if he were a terribad grouped with other terribads he'd probably lose even more....

Hum... can't say I'm a TTB viewer, but from what I see of him ingame and a quick look at his VoDs, I feel that on the contrary he mostly plays solo.

[bilagaana]

It was disappointing to login Friday afternoon and find the 8v8 experiment prematurely terminated. I wasn't around in the early days when 8v8 was the norm and have experienced it only twice in time-limited events. Especially with the decline in player population it was to my tastes a marked improvement. There was far less wasted matchmaking time, matches themselves were faster moving and more members of a team had to actually engage.

All the usual variables--tier level, time of day, day of the week, player count, tonnage imbalance, presence of groups, etc.--still applied in determining match quality and it was not my experience that suffered in comparison to 12v12. There were still routine stomps and I still got my solo-player average-skilled butt handed to me regularly.

Some adaptation on the part of players was required and I suspect that had much to do with some of the resistance expressed in the forum. Though a number of the practical factors (eg: the potential for outsized influence of groups, balancing of tonnage, etc.) expressed have some validity and should be taken into account, considering that only a fraction of players read and post to the forum this is not a valid sample and I'm not convinced it represented a majority. The unfamiliar can be at least temporarily anxiety-provoking in itself. Most players are perfectly able to respond and make appropriate adjustments in their playstyle. Those who prospectively and adamantly announced they would not be playng until 12v12 resumed merely deprived themselves of an opportunity. To quote Ralph Waldo Emerson: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Whatever; it's a silly giant space robot game and of no consequence.

I'd like to see 8v8 return as a regular option, even intermittently, along the lines proposed by previous commenters.

[Oriffel]

good news!

I'm so excited i'm considering getting the new shadow hawk or bullshark hero.

[Drunk CEO Monologues]

bilagaana, on 16 August 2025 - 08:33 AM, said:

Some adaptation on the part of players was required and I suspect that had much to do with some of the resistance expressed in the forum. Though a number of the practical factors (eg: the potential for outsized influence of groups, balancing of tonnage, etc.) expressed have some validity and should be taken into account, considering that only a fraction of players read and post to the forum this is not a valid sample and I'm not convinced it represented a majority. The unfamiliar can be at least temporarily anxiety-provoking in itself. Most players are perfectly able to respond and make appropriate adjustments in their playstyle. Those who prospectively and adamantly announced they would not be playng until 12v12 resumed merely deprived themselves of an opportunity. To quote Ralph Waldo Emerson: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Whatever; it's a silly giant space robot game and of no consequence.

I'd like to see 8v8 return as a regular option, even intermittently, along the lines proposed by previous commenters.

Not trying to single you out, but yours was the last post I saw of this sort. Why is it that so many of the people who like 8v8 feel the need to denigrate those that don't like it? People like what they like and the same applies for things they don't like. Make your case in a positive way rather than demeaning those that disagree (little minds?) by assuming their thoughts and motives. The community is small enough as it is without people insulting whole swaths of players.

[bilagaana]

Drunk CEO Monologues, on 16 August 2025 - 10:40 AM, said:

The community is small enough as it is without people insulting whole swaths of players.

Your comment is well-founded. My post was insufficiently clear. That particular sentence of it was meant to refer to those specifically stating, immediately following the announcement of the 8v8 trial and before it commenced, that they would refuse to play until 12v12 was resumed.

[Drunk CEO Monologues]

bilagaana, on 16 August 2025 - 11:01 AM, said:

Your comment is well-founded. My post was insufficiently clear. That particular sentence of it was meant to refer to those specifically stating, immediately following the announcement of the 8v8 trial and before it commenced, that they would refuse to play until 12v12 was resumed.

Understood, but I'm one of those people. Have played 8v8 many times in the past. Don't like it. Didn't need to play it again. Don't assume that because we didn't want to participate in this test that we don't know what we're missing. Cheers.

[colt]

I'll read while I'm waiting come on, it only few minute wait times lately.

[Extra Guac]

8v8 wasn't my favorite, but 10v10 might be worth a shot. Maybe next summer for QP or in event Q sometime.

[Bazongo]

12v12 is just getting blasted by alpha/LRMs whenever you make the mistake of doing anything aggressive. Feels bad

[Canopus Cat]

I missed 8v8.. again...

[Ole Man]

Well, the discouraging matches that involve Tier 1 people against Tier 4-5 people will just whittle away the player base till there is just Tier 1 pilots. Bunch of people I know have sworn off purchases. I'm joining em because it's just not fun anymore, why put money into a game when it's not fun. Hope you can fix it but if you haven't by now, doubt you can. Peace out!!!!!!

[epikt]

Ole Man, on 16 August 2025 - 08:44 PM, said:

Well, the discouraging matches that involve Tier 1 people against Tier 4-5 people will just whittle away the player base till there is just Tier 1 pilots. Bunch of people I know have sworn off purchases. I'm joining em because it's just not fun anymore, why put money into a game when it's not fun. Hope you can fix it but if you haven't by now, doubt you can. Peace out!!!!!!

I don't understand.
Actually I afraid you don't understand, but tell me if I'm wrong.
8v8 was precisely aimed at reducing waiting time while keeping the tier 1s away from T4-5. But since people apparently don't like it, now the solution to low population periods will be to open the tier gates.
My guess is those who whine about 8v8 being stompy will regret it when they'll really face tier 1s in their matches.
(and after some time T1s will probably get bored seal clubbing)