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#121 Fluffinator

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:21 PM

Leg them all...better salvage...oh wait does this game have salvage? If not shoot them in the face...

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:26 PM

be thankful if you get legged. the repair costs are much less than if they core your mech

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:33 PM

View PostGeist Null, on 21 February 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

be thankful if you get legged. the repair costs are much less than if they core your mech

Speaking of which since a core breach could kill the killer it could be safer to leg them.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:33 PM

I am all about the ankle biting!
Bring it! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

Edited by FEK315, 21 February 2012 - 11:34 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:38 PM

Its not in the least bit realistic but to solve the problem of legging kills id say, the mech doesnt die if the legs are both shot out...it simply moves at next to no speed and traversing is incredibly slow....

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

If you want a code of Honor then join Kurita and agree not to shoot the enemies legs. My first hunch is MWO with the modules and pilot tree is using a random targeting model based more on the table top game than a true simulation. But that is a hunch and would neatly stop the legging problem. Say with a very upgraded pilot tree and upgraded modules it would then allow you to specifically target legs, etc. In the Dev blogs there were oblique references to such including scouts allowing you to know where critical damage was on the enemy and then allowing the properly equipped mech and pilot to take adavantage of such. Also since arty is going to be included in this game you can bet mines will probably as well, Arty Placed minefield anyone? Talk about being legged.

War is Hell, whiners belong in Hell. So I will take advantage of any module, pilot skill or aiming reticule they give me. If you have honor and don't want to shoot my legs, then thanks I appreciate that. I am going to shoot your legs if I get the chance. As a current tabletop player and merc legging is the way to better salvage. Salvage is the only way to survive. Quick and easy kills are cheap and efficient and allow you to spend less in upkeep and in ammo. Speaking of ammo, will more than likely be using Energy boats to save money. Since you don't need ammo for lasers and ppc's.

I have never played in the online universe but played all of the pc versions of battletech including some massive LAN parties. I am looking forward to the roles of scout and commander but will be testing the waters as a lone wolf at first until I find a merc outfit that fits my own style.

I am 47, have played for online clans in Tribes, WWII Online and currently BF3 and Tribes Ascend Beta. I am looking forward to this more than I ever expected. Still hoping that part of the missions will include defense turrets, mines, arty and air. Some of what I am hearing leads me to believe this will be true.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:05 PM

OK I am going to add ""Again"" to this topic..so Bare with me here . . .

I teach sales tactics to our global company all the time, So I will pose the same question, I am known though out our company for asking

What is the Purpose of a Canon Ball?

Many say to sink ships, others to kill... both answers would be....

WRONG!

the max velocity of Black Powder is 1200 to 1400 FPS ( feet per second )

a Canon ball weighs in at 4,6,12,24, and a few 32 pound Round Balls of Iron

Hardly enough to sink a ship...

YET, They were the ammo of choice for Naval Forces for nearly 400+ years, Why?

Wooden ships are deathly expensive, Only a few Companies, or Counties could afford to build fleets..

The Idea is not to ""Sink"" the ship, but capture, and salvage it ( ok, now I got your interest right? )

So why the stupid Canon Ball?

Easy, the Velocity, and Range of any sort of Cannon Ball allows it to Pierce the outer wall of the ship, and Bounces around...inside...forcing the surrender of said ship, after ripping the interior of the ship apart

Hollywood actual screws this up all the time, in that the ball magically hit the magazine, and Boom...

that's why Cannon Balls were mostly solid shot.. so they didn't set off explosions...

Exploding shells were, and had been around, but mostly used in land battles for the most part, and didn't get really popular in Naval battles till during the civil war..( that's another topic for another day )

Spreading Hate and Discontent among'st your enemy....thats the purpose of a Canon Ball

So Legging is very much, the same, it is not about destroying the Mech, but salvaging them, and the weapons,,,, and really ******* off the other pilot...Right..?

So again, I approve of Legging, for one Basic Principle, Like I teach all my Salesmen,, Go Out and Spread Hate, And Discontent Amongst our Enemies ( aka Competition ) And Capture the Ship... aka the Customer, Or Mech

Of Course this lends its self to another question we all raise, is there going to be any salvage at all?

Oh Well I thought you might enjoy some food for thought, or just a rant

Edited by Opus, 22 February 2012 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

View Postwwiiogre, on 22 February 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

If you want a code of Honor then join Kurita and agree not to shoot the enemies legs.


Who the heck told you that. Kuritan doesn't have any problem with legging. Legging became considered "dishonorable" mainly in MW3 because it was very easy to get a kill that way.

The only part that we DC OGs consider dishonorable to shoot is the crotch. Because while war is hell, you can't just shoot a mech in the crotch...THAT is wrong.

#129 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 05:19 AM

Exactly! Legging has NEVER been officially declared dishonorable.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 05:56 AM

View PostOpus, on 22 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

OK I am going to add ""Again"" to this topic..so Bare with me here . . .

I teach sales tactics to our global company all the time, So I will pose the same question, I am known though out our company for asking

What is the Purpose of a Canon Ball?

Many say to sink ships, others to kill... both answers would be....

WRONG!

the max velocity of Black Powder is 1200 to 1400 FPS ( feet per second )

a Canon ball weighs in at 4,6,12,24, and a few 32 pound Round Balls of Iron

Hardly enough to sink a ship...

YET, They were the ammo of choice for Naval Forces for nearly 400+ years, Why?

Wooden ships are deathly expensive, Only a few Companies, or Counties could afford to build fleets..

The Idea is not to ""Sink"" the ship, but capture, and salvage it ( ok, now I got your interest right? )

So why the stupid Canon Ball?

Easy, the Velocity, and Range of any sort of Cannon Ball allows it to Pierce the outer wall of the ship, and Bounces around...inside...forcing the surrender of said ship, after ripping the interior of the ship apart

Hollywood actual screws this up all the time, in that the ball magically hit the magazine, and Boom...

that's why Cannon Balls were mostly solid shot.. so they didn't set off explosions...

Exploding shells were, and had been around, but mostly used in land battles for the most part, and didn't get really popular in Naval battles till during the civil war..( that's another topic for another day )

Spreading Hate and Discontent among'st your enemy....thats the purpose of a Canon Ball

So Legging is very much, the same, it is not about destroying the Mech, but salvaging them, and the weapons,,,, and really ******* off the other pilot...Right..?

So again, I approve of Legging, for one Basic Principle, Like I teach all my Salesmen,, Go Out and Spread Hate, And Discontent Amongst our Enemies ( aka Competition ) And Capture the Ship... aka the Customer, Or Mech

Of Course this lends its self to another question we all raise, is there going to be any salvage at all?

Oh Well I thought you might enjoy some food for thought, or just a rant


Funny, MW4 did the same thing every time you killed another mech. It magically exploded.

But to step off your shoulders, I never legged a mech for its salvage. I, in a light mech who was prone to being legged myself by accidental shot, often would target other legs that were accidentally shot of large mechs because they were just that. F*ing HUGE. and I had not the fire power or the precognitive skills to dodge every volley. So I would use the advantage already given to me on a silver platter. Finish off the leg, leave it limping and a prime target for friends, and then run of.

Speed and mobility is not just life for light mechs, but also for small mechs.

Just think, that is an atlas, its in a key location and no one can get it out. What do you do? You leg that SOB and call an artillery strike and watch him panic because he cant get out of the blast area.

Its about strategy gents. It goes the same way. Little fast guy buzzing around you? Enough scatter shots and SRM splashes around his general leg location will slow him down easily enough and then you can just alpha him into next Wednesday where he will get to see the next mech reveal by having it issued to him because he lost his.

Nuff said!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 06:31 AM

A lack of legging would be a lack of realism. I could see it considered bad form in a tournament setting or maybe it could be seen as dishonerable by a splinter faction of a clan.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 07:48 AM

I see no problem in it. Honestly, in MWLL, I see people aim for the legs all the time and still not leg me. If your mech is moving all the time, between misses and hitting the leg behind the facing leg towards the enemy, I think it's a non-issue.

Of course, if you are standing still while doing this, it makes sense they can aim for a single leg and take it out.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 08:04 AM

View PostZyllos, on 23 February 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

I see no problem in it. Honestly, in MWLL, I see people aim for the legs all the time and still not leg me. If your mech is moving all the time, between misses and hitting the leg behind the facing leg towards the enemy, I think it's a non-issue.

Of course, if you are standing still while doing this, it makes sense they can aim for a single leg and take it out.


I can't agree with you more! I've actively tried to leg: it's difficult if the mech is maneuvering. However, I once popped over the hill in an Uziel prime, only to meet an assult mech with a heavily damaged leg from an earlier firefight. It would have been stupid for me to have not shot that leg! If I'm honest, the only time I leg is when other shots from me or other people have resulted in a damaged leg. It's a tactic to take advantage of, and it's not broken.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:54 AM

I'd like to see a MW2 style "not instantly dying", though being able to properly prop yourself up would be a huge plus.

That said, though - I'd much rather see this game including "imperfect aim", so that we can't expect people to be able to leg targets from maximum range. Legging at point blank I can see, but at long ranges, I would expect players to aim at the center of the mass and shots spreading over the armor.

Getting one-hit killed is not fun - thus why I don't play counterstrike or any of the other multiplayer FPS'es of a similar vein.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

View PostFluffinator, on 21 February 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Speaking of which since a core breach could kill the killer it could be safer to leg them.

That's generally true except for the Mechs built by Ikea.

There's so many missing pieces after building those things that one could reasonably expect the reactor core to be in the Mech's left leg.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:58 AM

As far as i'm concerned, legging is a valid tactic, just like camping, (jump)sniping, or any other tactic that does not exploit glitches/bugs, faulty map desing (getting underground or such). If any of these very effective, that is fault of the game desing, not fault of the players. (That said, it is annoying just like camping and other such tactics... which is why a game should be desinged to make those highly situational or requiring skill to pull them off etc.)

Simply making hitting harder in general will reduce effectiveness of legging (assuming the mechs don't have too large legs) as aiming to torso becomes more desirable. Shooting a damaged leg (or arm for that matter) should not transfer the damage to the other leg or torso. A skilled pilot should be able to mover around with jump jets even when lacking a leg (or both), assuming the jump jets are not in legs.
Losing both legs should not destroy the mech though a player who loses both legs should be given option to surrend/eject without any special penalty (giving kill points to the person who did most damage to you?).

Ideally we should be able to stand with just one leg, some skill and luck, though this would probably require more complicated controls for manual center of balance adjustment, unless the gyro does this automatically. Getting shot should knock you over of course.

Edited by Chiros, 23 February 2012 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:54 AM

The leg if shot enough should become a stub or hinder movement. not cause your core engine to overload and explode.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:41 PM

Im all for Legging, it shouldnt be too easy but it should be doable. A legged Mech should be salvageble(prolly misspelled) as long as the fall doesnt mak it go boom and therefore the better option. And from reading the Books it seems that Mechpilots generally disliked Killing Pilots off with their Mechs( im sure a couple of times i read Pilots saying that the Enemy Pilot should eject already instead of dieing in the Mech).

Just that in the Books and in the TT aiming was different then in the MW series^^

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:28 PM

Limping mechs Are AWESOME!!!! :) :) :) :D
Especially when I make them limp!!! WOOOOOOOOT

I am not kidding I was legged and left to die all the time and I hated it but man it made me Laugh every time.
Having to beg for your TMs to kill you or limping in front of enemies to save your TMs from getting shot, it is the Ulitmate in Team Sacrifice.
Imagine a Limping Chimera in front of you...
FEK315: Dude Shoot me! I need to chase down PinkPuff and get may revenge! Dude Please shoot me" (HE HE HE Shoot FEK!)
or
you hear over the coms-
PinkPuff: " Dampit FeK315! Get out of my way I am trying to shoot your teammate Blister."
Blister:"Keep it up FEK just move a little to your right and I can Shoot him and kill you both in the explosion! "

Then after that I would have a reason to seek out PinkPuff and knock out his legs.
OHHH it the most awesome form of revenge, Legging is a Fact of MW.

Pleeeeeeeease keep it in the game!

BTW are the mechs going to be able to "One Knee Kneel"?

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

View PostAegis Kleais™, on 23 February 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

That's generally true except for the Mechs built by Ikea.

There's so many missing pieces after building those things that one could reasonably expect the reactor core to be in the Mech's left leg.

The real scary part is when there's extra pieces after building it...





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