309 replies to this topic

[buttmonkey]

im going to have to play mechwarrior 4 again now because i always played in 3rd person so was never really aware of a lack of 1st person

[Big Madnadbert]

I am just confused by this?

[Egomane]

buttmonkey, on 08 September 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

i have the sneaking suspicion that your all under the age of 16, or your all just very immature and offensive to people who have the nerve to ask for 3rd person.

You have thrown direct insults (removed by a mod) into this thread without provocation and accuse us of being immature and offensive? How about some self reflection there?

You are not contering a single argument against 3PV by disproving them. Instead you try to ridicule them. You are twisting words to fit your needs. You ignore what you can not answer. If we get a little frustrated by that behaviour we are immature and offensive?

With that final accusation, you made it! You are now on my ignore list.

[Lokust Davion]

i do not agree a 3rd person view while in game. But I do agree we should have the option for 3rd person view & free roaming camera when viewing recorded game.

[Adridos]

Big Madnadbert, on 08 September 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:

I am just confused by this?

Devs said 1person view from the cockpit only. There are people who want to play in 3rd person view, though, so they made this thread to compain.

[Adrienne Vorton]

not only this threat... ppl can´t just take a no for a no... you know what my mom did with me, when i wouldn´t accept her clear "no you won´t get that stupid toy", stomped my feet on the ground and cried and begged ? ...well i guess some can imagine

hint: she didn´t buy it...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 08 September 2012 - 04:55 AM.

[Kurayami]

xhrit, on 07 September 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

tie fighter had 3rd person camera.

just sayin'.

i'm aware of it (good'old times) but TIE is classy awesome arcade (gameplay wise) just sayin'

i would be ok with 3d person in... mechlab - yes i want to see my mech in new camo from all angles at least once, and don't want to stalk someone to do so) aaand replay's if there will be replay's (they will be right? we will have beagle so?) in which i would actually prefer free flight camera.
ingame? meh setting aside all advantages etc i just totally love how they done 1st person. an option to remove hud and adding some working cabin instruments (not only heatsinks and critical\overheat markers) is the only thing i want)

[buttmonkey]

Egomane, on 08 September 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

You have thrown direct insults (removed by a mod) into this thread without provocation and accuse us of being immature and offensive? How about some self reflection there?

You are not contering a single argument against 3PV by disproving them. Instead you try to ridicule them. You are twisting words to fit your needs. You ignore what you can not answer. If we get a little frustrated by that behaviour we are immature and offensive?

With that final accusation, you made it! You are now on my ignore list.

my insults are aimed soley at people who felel the need to say things like, go play mech assault, please die in a fire if you want 3rd person in this game and 3rd person is for console kiddies. il think you will find that, that is indeed immature and offensive. and i have tried to prove that 3rd person can be implemented without any unfair advantage.

il give the same hypothetical scenario i did before on this topic-
if you are in 3rd person and you peek over a hill you will only be able to see the terrain, any mechs which are not in your line of sight, and not currently being tracked by some one else (because then you can see them behind objects such as hills and buildings) should remain invisible and untrackable (including mechs crouching right behind you), thereby eliminating anyr advantage 3rd person might give the pilot. i admit there may be some holes to be poked but its a start and, a comprimise which keeps everybody happy, is to me the best option for the success of the game.

it is people like you that choose to ignore those arguments and instead accuse people of breaching the nda and refusing to comment on the point (just go back a few pages to see what i mean)
and to say that im now on your ignore list is, albeit a relief to me, a sure sign of immaturity.

[Adrienne Vorton]

and you still ingore the fact that there was a clear NO to 3rd person by mommy (PGI), i am sure they are aware of the possibilities to implement it w/o benefits, but MWO is intended to be more of a immersive simulation, thats the one and only reason why it´s 1st person only... and i can live with it pretty well...

Edited by Adrienne Vorton, 08 September 2012 - 05:18 AM.

[Adridos]

buttmonkey, on 08 September 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

and to say that im now on your ignore list is, albeit a relief to me, a sure sign of immaturity.

I pissed of Dihm and he said the same to me... but I don't take it as a sign of immaturity. It's more: "Like it or not, I said my thing dozen times already and I'm not going to waste more time".

[Jack Gallows]

No third person view.

However, if you want to oogle your 'mech, make a 'mech viewer or something of the sort.

[Kurayami]

buttmonkey, on 08 September 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

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i already used this situation and gave you devs reply.
seeing terrain in 3d person gives tremendous advantage when it comes to maneuvering and using cover so it is also no-no. but yes if your field of vision in 3d person is equal to 1st person in all terms - means not only mechs but also terrain (rivers, crates, buildings etc) than you don't have any advantages moreover you are in big disadvantage when it comes to reaction speed (everything is smaller) targeting (same) and maneuvering (you are not only still not able to see that one building which you rammed while twisting torso but it also can end up being in blind spot created by your mech so you don't have any chance seeing it) so with all this exactly how many people would play in this regime?

Edited by Kurayami, 08 September 2012 - 05:28 AM.

[buttmonkey]

Kurayami, on 08 September 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

i already used this situation and gave you devs reply.
seeing terrain in 3d person gives tremendous advantage when it comes to maneuvering and using cover so it is also no-no. but yes if your field of vision in 3d person is equal to 1st person in all terms - means not only mechs but also terrain (rivers, crates, buildings etc) than you don't have any advantages moreover you are in big disadvantage when it comes to reaction speed (everything is smaller) targeting (same) and maneuvering (you are not only still not able see that one building which you rammed while twisting torso but it also can be in blind spot created by your mech so you don't have any chance seeing it) so with all this exactly how many people would play in this regime?

i understand what your saying and if its not possible then so be it but the devs had said they want at least some 3rd person so coming up some ideas can not hurt. with reggards to terrain, you make a good point, but even today vehicles have mirrors allowing you to see whats around and behind your vehicle, it would seem illogical to have suh a massive expensive machine with no way to see your surroundings. thats what causes 90% of mech collisions (i picked that number out of the air ). ok mirrors maybe not but cameras built into the mech seems totally feasible.

just for the record dragon lord you started the insults between us with the following statement

[color=#959595]I'm so tired of all these self entitled spoiled 3PV players(brats?) who think that just because they want something in a game it should be added without regard for what others want.[/color]

[color=#959595]If you cant accept and adapt to this game being 1st person only then I suggest you find a different game to play[/color]

[color=#959595]so maybe its you who needs to self reflect [/color]

[Bansheedragon75]

buttmonkey, on 08 September 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

if you think the arguing and bickering is bad now wait until the open beta when all people join and immediately ask the question "how do i change to 3rd person?"
you watch as they are shot down by you FPS PVP freaks with comments like, if you want 3rd person please go die in a fire, 3rd person is for console kiddies, go play mechwarrior assault. (these are examples just from page 11 of this topic!!!)
i have the sneaking suspicion that your all under the age of 16, or your all just very immature and offensive to people who have the nerve to ask for 3rd person.
you really think people who are paying jack squat for the game will think twice before un-installing the game. you fanatics will drive away alot of the fanbase.
and to be honest why should we not get get some kind of 3rd person? i payed 120 dollars just like you, and we were robbed of mech warrior 5. so why the **** should we not get for example a campaign mode where we can freely use 3rd person without getting mobbed by a group of seagulls (

Its clear to me that you cannot accept the arguments for why the majority here dont want 3rd person.
Its has been explained how it gives an unfair advantage for those who use it over those who dont.

If you cant give a solid argument for why we should have 3rd person, but instead have to attack peoples ages, then I suggest you just keep quiet.
Attacking peoples age will only undermine yur arguments further.

Nobody forced you to pay $120 for the founders pack, you chose to do that despite the fact that you already knew there were nort gonna be 3rd person, and you dont have to pay a dime for this game if you dont want to, so using that as an argument is pointless.
I can turn your argument around and say I paid $120 just like you, so why should I not have a game with 1st person only?

You say you were robbed of Mechwarrior 5.
You should be happy the made a game at all, this was the only way they could make it.
Its not PGI's fault that no publishers wanted to finance a game from a dead franchise

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thats how i picture you guys in my head just going WAAAH WAAAH hitting each other like buttons and swooping in on anyone with a differing opinion to your own).

And this is exactly how I picture you, a 12 year old kid who is used to getting everything you point as if you just cry long enough.

Unlike you, I have actually given solid and valid reasons for how 3rd person would ruin the game, and how it offers an unfair advantage, I dont see you giving any reason other than your personal desire for why we should have 3rd person.

All you do is attack others opinion and their age, instead of trying to offer a good argument for why we should have 3rd person.

[buttmonkey]

well a good reason why it should be implemented is bacuase a lot of people want it not just me. and i have said time and time again that if there really is no way to have it without an advantage then it should not be added, that is why im trying to think of ways to have our cake and eat it too, instead of just shooting down peoples ideas because of your desires. if there was a way to have it without an advantage would it really still bother you? if yes then you must have ocd or something, if no then why not try to help us come up with a solution.

and say the mechwarrior franchise was dead is an overstatement really. maybe they should give people a choice, to pay 120 dollars towards finishing mechwarrior 5 instead. know knows maybe then we can have 2 games

and you keep saying majority, majority is anything over 50% and dont quote polls because the only way to get a fair poll is have it maditory, its possible that alot of 3rd person fanatics have already left this game and therefore couldnt give a **** about filling in polls.

just for the record this is on page 2 your second ever post on this topic. as you can you were in there quickly with the insults calling people 12 year olds

[color=#959595]Your post make you sounds like a spoiled 12 year old who just want everything you see no matter if you can have it or not.[/color]
[color=#959595]And if its one thing I really hate its all these spoiled 12 year old kids demanding that all games cater to their wishes to the exclusion of all else, and thinking that they can have everything they point at.[/color]
[color=#959595]And when people dont agree with their demands they start calling them noobs and whatnot just like yourself, and continue with their demands because they are so used to getting what they want if they just keep going on long enough.[/color]

Edited by buttmonkey, 08 September 2012 - 06:00 AM.

[Rayah]

Why is it that the OPs for "3rd person view" topics never have more than 10 posts?

EDIT: And no, having 3rd person in this game at all (except for a theater mode) is a terrible idea.

Edited by Rayzor, 08 September 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[cjl]

i luvs 3rd person view cuz it rocks

thirdperson is the best but firstperson is better

[Jaxom08]

really like the idea of the battle recorder/ replays.........this could be a great learning tool for teams, not to mention it would just be cool to watch a battle unfold from a 3rd person view or a movable over head camera........in replays, not in battle tho.

[IceNinja]

Dragonlord, on 02 September 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

It would not give an unfair advantage if everyone used it or it was 3rd person only, but around 90% of the players here on the forums dont want it and prefer the actual feeling of actually piloting the mech.

Here is a hypothetical situation for you

Lets say they add 3rd person view like they had in previous mech games.
You can then look over a hill or around corners to see what is there without hiving to expose yourself.
The guy in the other mech is playing 1st person and dont have this advantage.

You will be able to line up your shots and shoot at him the moment he comes into view without him knowing you are there.
Depending on the situation and if you are good you can get off 2 alpha strikes on him before he knows you are there, at which point he wil most likely be critically damaged.
How is that not giving you and unfair advantage?

Or say you can look over a hill lock on and fire your missiles without ever leaving cover, while the guy you are shooting at has no chance to fire back at you without further exposing himself.
How is that not an unfair advantage?

This is a SIMULATION game, not and arcade shooter.
3PV does not belong here, the players dont want it, and PGI have said they will not add it.
PGI will not listen to the very vocal minority, like so many other developers, because they understand that the silent majority are happy with not having 3rd person.

Sir I`m sorry I have to disagree.... THERE IS NO TACTICAL ADVANTAGE IN MWO FROM 3rd Person View.
Looking over a hill in 3rdPV to see what is there? You will know what is there from the current radar system implemented in the game and also you can get Missile lock without even seeing the target.So this point is mute and void.

[buttmonkey]

yeah i dont get it really. i have read that there will be radar sweeps, and drones that can be deployed on the field as well blowing any cover you have regardless of what view you are using. on top of that somebody can allways can switch around in spectator mode and give away enemy possitions. like "hey bob hes coming up behind you"

removing the chat system in spectator mode is pointless as people can just use teamspeak or what have you. unless they remove spectator mode completely theres always the opportunity to exploit this, especially for those teams against pugs.

Edited by buttmonkey, 08 September 2012 - 06:36 AM.