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[a gaijin]

I gave torso-twisting with joysticks another try after UI2.0 debuted and long story short: the mouse is still worlds more accurate than a joystick for toros-twist control.

I reverted to the workaround of mouse for torso twist and joystick for turning and weapons control.

Dissapointing that joysticks for torso-twist wasn't even considered an important priority when PGI was designing a MechWarrior game.
This is the first MechWarrior game I've ever played that basically didn't implement joystick control and I've been playing MechWarrior since 1998.

[Listronicus]

Hi Again,

What ever they did today joystick control is working better than yesterday, so thanks PGI

[Gremlich Johns]

HeroForHire, on 17 February 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

I gave torso-twisting with joysticks another try after UI2.0 debuted and long story short: the mouse is still worlds more accurate than a joystick for toros-twist control.

my best using a Joystick and the Nostromo so let me put you at ease about your kb/mouse setup. You're just used to kb/mouse and I'm used to JS and the Nostromo. Come see me in a match sometime and I'll give you a spanking with my HBK-4G(F):

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 24 February 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[a gaijin]

Gremlich Johns, on 24 February 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

You're just used to kb/mouse and I'm used to JS and the Nostromo. Come see me in a match sometime and I'll give you a spanking with my HBK-4G(F):

Nice of you to make assumptions on people you never gamed with
I've been using joysticks for MechWarrior games since 98 -- joysticks only.
When I started playing MWO last month I started with a joystick only -- the same MS sidewinder force feedback pro I used to use back in MW3 -- and the TT control was absolutely unacceptable. I changed to using a mouse for TT control (joystick for turning and weapons) and it was incredibly more accurate.
I actually opened a trouble ticket right after that initial joystick trial run to register a complaint for lack of joystick support and was assured it would be addressed "sometime after UI2.0 released."
Immediately after release I again gave TT control with the joystick a test (this time a Logitech 3D Pro) and, unfortunately, it was still completely awful. It's "somewhat acceptable" if arm lock is checked, but that isn't acceptable in MWO unless you're using armless mechs.

And speaking of spankings ... a "Duel" mode really needs to be released so we can all put our words to the test. Hell, I'm willing to bet beers

BTW, impressive screenshot. You should FRAPS another 7 kill performance and put it up on YouTube. I'd definitely give it THUMBS UP

[Gremlich Johns]

HeroForHire, on 25 February 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Nice of you to make assumptions on people you never gamed with

And speaking of spankings ... a "Duel" mode really needs to be released so we can all put our words to the test. Hell, I'm willing to bet beers

BTW, impressive screenshot. You should FRAPS another 7 kill performance and put it up on YouTube. I'd definitely give it THUMBS UP

A gentle poke, mate, nothing more. I just rankle at the fact that most people really think joysticks are not worth the trouble in a mech game.

And a Duel-mode would indeed be grand. I'd put up beers, too, micro-brew at that. Hell, I'd give up beers win or lose.

Thanx for the nod on the score. In the 8v8 days, I got 800 points of damage with 1 kill and 2 assists. I was on the losing side.

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 26 February 2014 - 02:09 PM.

[a gaijin]

Gremlich Johns, on 26 February 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

I just rankle at the fact that most people really think joysticks are not worth the trouble in a mech game.

I hear you and agree 100%. Unfortunately for me JS isn't working out in MWO -- and I've tried three different joysticks. :/ It's just not as accurate.

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And a Duel-mode would indeed be grand. I'd put up beers, too, micro-brew at that. Hell, I'd give up beers win or lose.

Honestly I'm surprised they haven't put out Duel mode yet. I wonder why...? Cheers and thumbs up to micro-brew! I'm getting thirsty already

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Thanx for the nod on the score. In the 8v8 days, I got 800 points of damage with 1 kill and 2 assists. I was on the losing side.

Very very impressive score. I want to get to that level... so practice practice practice!
Lately my damage scores are around the 500 (usually only 1, maybe 2 kills tho) and my top ever was 600+ which isn't stellar but is better for me than before.
I tried posting an image but Steam Community image extensions aren't allowed on this community.
I do love HBK, AS7's third arm

[Gremlich Johns]

I use the Nostromo, have you ever tried using something like that with your JS? Makes all the difference in the world, mate. I also adjust my sensitivity in both the Logitech software and the MW:O settings.

Razer Nostromo or Orbweaver (this one has adjustable bits to make it fit your hand) I use the d-pad for my throttle.

[a gaijin]

Nice (but expensive!). You use the JS for torso twist, right? Which one?
So far Microsoft Sidewinder FF Pro, Logitech 3D extreme, and MadCatz FLY5 (Saitek Cyborg) have failed me for accurate torso-twist+arms control.

[Gremlich Johns]

HeroForHire, on 27 February 2014 - 04:07 PM, said:

Nice (but expensive!). You use the JS for torso twist, right? Which one?
So far Microsoft Sidewinder FF Pro, Logitech 3D extreme, and MadCatz FLY5 (Saitek Cyborg) have failed me for accurate torso-twist+arms control.

Logitech Extreme 3D pro

sensitivity at 1/3, smooth just a little bit more, and acceleration just a tad more (like a step down going right)

Torso twist -- Joy 1 Rot Z

Make sure you calibrate the Logitech JS in its property window.

In the axis properties found in the profiler: sensitivity at 50%, dead zone 0% and Range 100%

Edited by Gremlich Johns, 27 February 2014 - 06:09 PM.

[a gaijin]

Gremlich Johns, on 27 February 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

Logitech Extreme 3D pro

sensitivity at 1/3, smooth just a little bit more, and acceleration just a tad more (like a step down going right)

Torso twist -- Joy 1 Rot Z

Make sure you calibrate the Logitech JS in its property window.

In the axis properties found in the profiler: sensitivity at 50%, dead zone 0% and Range 100%

I see -- same JS I'm currently using. Thanks for posting your settings.

I messed with the settings a bit trying to get a comfortable, accurate control with a JS after release of UI2.0 but since I was unable to get the sensitivity to my standards I'm using X axis for turning, and a 800dpi mouse on the left of the desk for TT. Not optimal but I live until the end of many matches and it's a distinct change of before damage sround 100 to currently in the 500 range.
OK, but before I get too far off track again a major difference in your control setup compared to me is that I was trying to use the X axis for left/right TT and the Y axis for up/down.

I have to ask though: you use the Y axis for TT up/down? How is it?

[Edward Mattlov]

I don't use a joystick, but why are joystick users forced to mod a .cfg file, when you guys are the programmers who should have this functionality in your UI. UI 2.0 was sold to us as the be all and end all, so make it so.

Edited by Edward Mattlov, 27 February 2014 - 11:54 PM.

[TanE]

I play with a mouse and an old Microsoft Strategic Sidewinder on Win7/64 (found free software for it online). It would be great, if I could use the joystick function of it for smooth curves.

[Reefwalker]

When you drop in a match, you see a flight stick in your right hand.......
that means it is THE most important interface device for the mechwarrior, yet its treated like its unimportant.
that is wrong, shortsighted, and needs to be fixed!
That means top priority, not when we get around to it!

[Johnw007]

Anyone seeing random control interface failures? I've always had some but I'm now getting it regularly. I just had two in the same match!

[GTV Zeratul]

Quick question: Is it possible to use "car" pedals for turning? My set (Fanatec CSP V1) uses separate axis for each pedal so I'd need to map turn left to one axis and turn right to another.
I think it can't be done but maybe someone has had luck setting up something similar.

Edited by GTV Zeratul, 09 April 2014 - 12:59 PM.

[Loc Nar]

GTV Zeratul, on 09 April 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

Quick question: Is it possible to use "car" pedals for turning? My set (Fanatec CSP V1) uses separate axis for each pedal so I'd need to map turn left to one axis and turn right to another.
I think it can't be done but maybe someone has had luck setting up something similar.

Yes it is possible to do, and this is how I run the pedals in my mechpit as well, by operating the separate L/R toebrakes on my Combat pedals. The trick is using UJR to merge the axes into a single output to bind in MWO's controls menu. evilC has made one available... here's a link: UJR Universal Joystick Remapper

[GTV Zeratul]

Thanks Loc Nar, I'll have a look at UJR. Very nice Mechpit you've build!

[Matthew Craig]

Quick question for the community is there anything still preventing you from running the joystick setup of your choice, are there any settings you'd like to see exposed to help you better tune your setups.

Thanks

[Loc Nar]

Matthew Craig, on 16 April 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

Quick question for the community is there anything still preventing you from running the joystick setup of your choice, are there any settings you'd like to see exposed to help you better tune your setups.

Thanks

Yes!

>option for absolute inputs< (currently have to use 3rd party absolute mouse emulation for this)
Sensitivity sliders
deadzone sliders (must be able to go down to zero)
ability to bind analog Left/Right turning to discrete axes (currently need 3rd party software for axis merging)

edit: axis merging

Edited by Loc Nar, 16 April 2014 - 04:52 PM.

[Foust]

YES!

Currently the only way to get passable joystick control is to use 3rd party software to emulate mouse with the joystick, and even then there are limitations with that arrangement. Not the least of which being that with the variable rate of torso traversal on the different mech chassis, it is a game of how far can I tweak such that after full joystick deflection left I get the most torso traversal I can while still allowing the mechs legs and torso to center back up when I center the stick.

I want to echo everything Loc Nar posted above.
Absolute Inputs (please read Loc Nar's Controls thread in my sig)
Sensitivity sliders on all axis
Deadzone sliders on all axis
Bind analog turning to discrete axis