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[Ranger207]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Not sure why pc users bash on macs.

Mostly because we have no idea why anyone in their right mind would use a Mac.

[DevilJade]

Adeptus Odren, on 16 December 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

From my standpoint, that's inefficient. My pc lets me game and work and it's a fallacy that a pc can't do as well as a Mac. To each his own, I guess.

I'm not saying PCs CAN'T do anything. I've used PCs all my life and work as a computer technician. But I prefer using my macbook for work and school, and building pcs for gaming.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

Hipsters don't play mainstream directX games, so apple doesn't need to be compatible with them.

[Adeptus Odren]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Not sure why pc users bash on macs.

If I remember correctly, Apple was the one that started the PC bashing back in the 80s. So PC users bashed back and both sides will continue to bash each other until Wormwood hits.

DevilJade, on 16 December 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I'm not saying PCs CAN'T do anything. I've used PCs all my life and work as a computer technician. But I prefer using my macbook for work and school, and building pcs for gaming.

Like I said, to each his own. Not attacking you here. I just find it inefficient to use two computers for tasks that can be accomplished on one.

[Nirilus]

1. Why are you still crying about this, when many people gave you a perfectly serviceable solution to your problem (bootcamp).

2. MW is on cryengine 3 which is directx only. Complain to crytek if you don't like it. If they make an OpenGL API, then maybe we'll see it run native on MACOS. Judging from the past, it appears that crytek is perfectly capable of doing such things - as they have a ps3 API.

3. MW is on cryengine 3 because crytek and piranha were enamored with MW:LL and cut a deal so piranha coud start working with the engine before public release.

4. A lot of gamers have pcs, because my machine is cheaper, faster, and more stable than a MAC. Simple. You could pay more for a pc or a mac, but it wouldn't be worth it in my opinion. I do recommend macs for nongamers, because you need to set up a pc properly, and none of the pc makers have caught on to that yet.

Edited by Nirilus, 18 February 2013 - 11:27 PM.

[tuokaerf]

Ranger207, on 16 December 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Mostly because we have no idea why anyone in their right mind would use a Mac.

Because they're good computers. I've been a Mac user for close to 20 years and wouldn't have anything different for work and music production. I never have to fight with drivers or worry about my chipset being supported by an audio hardware manufacturer. In addition, Spotlight and multitasking is far superior on Mac (IMO) than anything Microsoft has ever created. Game selection outside of a handful of popular titles is bad however, mainly due to the lack of DX and at most 10% of marketshare (not sure if the percent is correct, but same difference).

That being said, Windows 7 is decent and runs great in Bootcamp on my MacBook Pro, and so does MWO.

[Ranger207]

tuokaerf, on 17 December 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Because they're good computers. I've been a Mac user for close to 20 years and wouldn't have anything different for work and music production. I never have to fight with drivers or worry about my chipset being supported by an audio hardware manufacturer. In addition, Spotlight and multitasking is far superior on Mac (IMO) than anything Microsoft has ever created. Game selection outside of a handful of popular titles is bad however, mainly due to the lack of DX and at most 10% of marketshare (not sure if the percent is correct, but same difference).

That being said, Windows 7 is decent and runs great in Bootcamp on my MacBook Pro, and so does MWO.

So it's simpler. Alright, I can live with that. It's just that I like messing with drivers and finding workarounds, even if it doesn't work in the end.

[tuokaerf]

Ranger207, on 17 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

So it's simpler. Alright, I can live with that. It's just that I like messing with drivers and finding workarounds, even if it doesn't work in the end.

Yeah, it's definately not the platform of choice if you feel like swapping out parts other than hard drives and RAM on your own (some models make it impossible to do that even).

Part of it is just familiarity, I can get around the OS using hot keys only and while Windows 7/8 can do some of it, it's not worth the time to switch fully since I don't have a reason to yet. I get the best of both worlds, work and play on OS X, Bootcamp to Win 7 to play all the games I want (and for a MacBook Pro 15" i7, the dedicated graphics card is pretty good).

[SILVERSAVER24]

I own a mac and i use it mostly for PS etc. but im playing on it aswell and don't wanna buy an extra Pc just to game. And it does very good, it plays minecraft and Borderlands 2 without any lag so don't say macs can't be used for gaming. They are just not made to game. But if you play alot computergames like 1 - 2 - ... hours per day you should efinitly think of getting a pc.

Sorry for my bad english : /

[Tikkamasala]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Not sure why pc users bash on macs.

I used PC for 20+years, switched to Mac and I will never go back. Had mac for 2 years now, guess how many time my machine has crashed or had to be rebooted because it "locked up"? Only once, and guess what software I was trying to run?

I think people use PC because they are cheaper, but if you can afford a machine that actually works and does what you want it to without having to have computer engineering degree then you should try macs. Although the economics of this means that there are fewer users of macs, I get that, i think they should still try to support both.

You answered that yourself when you wrote all that made up BS. The same probably happens every time you read the mac bashing. Both OS are quite alright nowadays; but if games are your thing i'd suggest a windows system as there are most likely more games around for it.

[Thatnanoguy]

hahaha... mac owners... its funny when they think they can do things...

[scruffy416]

OS aside, does any of the current gen Apple hardware have the hardware performance to play the game well? If so, I'm going to have to start bugging some buddies to install BootCamp and give it a try.

I figured the hardware wouldn't be close to up to it... but if Borderlands 2 is "playable" ...

Anyone out there playing exclusively on a Mac?

p.s. my definition of playable == at least 40fps in heated battles in Medium quality or better

[Noth]

Nirilus, on 17 December 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

2. Microsoft has nothing to do with it. MS hasn't had the MW license in years. Jordan weisman negotiated the license from them in 07 or 08.

You should check the fine print at the bottom of this page. MechWarrior is trademarked by Microsoft and PGI is using it under license from them.

[DFA Ozymandias]

LOWJACKCITY, on 16 December 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

all i hear is "ive chosen to be in a walled garden where I've been promised nothing bad will ever happen and they let us do only what they want."

pretty much all PC to Mac converts couldn't ever hack it and that's why they left. If you could, you'd never have any reason to consider Mac. Like driving a manual tranny--if you dont know what you are doing you will **** it up, but once you do...you'll never go back. How do you like that automatic tranny?

having said that I am going to be setting my die hard apple buddy up wtih bootcamp so he can actually join the rest of us in gaming bliss. the very fact that he doesnt know how to do this, nor care about learning how to, is a testament to why he is a mac user in the first place.



this is to be expected. Wine is just an emulator. Bootcamp is the only way to get it running decent, dependent only on your hardware.

I was looking to see if I could use Wine, or bootcamp or even parallels to run this and ran into this thread. I was going to let the lame OS bashing crap go and just move on but there were so many things in this post (and thread) that bugged me so ...

• It's Trans or Transmission. It's not a "sexual deviant".
  
• Mac or PC is a falicy. A Mac IS a PC (Personal Computer) but a PC is not necessarily a Mac. More over a "PC" can also be running linux like the OS I'm typing this on.
  
• Assuming someone using a Mac is "dumb" is... well, dumb. I'm a senior system engineer and for a living I manage, design, develop and impliment computing platforms that 99% of the time are cross platform (read Win, *NIX and OSX). My platform of choice to accomplish these goals is... you guessed it, OSX.
  
• OSX isn't an easy target for viruses for 1 simple reason. It's based on BSD which is designed as a server OS. By it's very nature security is an important part of being a server that MS has always overlooked or not quite understood in general. For example, your primary logon isn't granted as an administrator by default nor are you nagged to the point to turn off security features.
  
• It's not a "walled garden" blah blah blah. The UI is far superior to any other on the market and like I just said, it's BSD... it is highly customizable.

That being said... proper tool for the proper job. As far as personal computing... Gaming, yup, Windows. Everything else, I'll take a Mac over Windows any day.


Oh... and I'll take a manual tranmission over an automatic in most cases. There's more control over power delivery... just sayin'

Edited by DFA Ozymandias, 16 February 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[Bobby Bolivia]

My current iMac replaced my PC and I use it for everything, including gaming. I use bootcamp to run Windows 8 and it works flawlessly. I'm not really losing any sleep over there not being a native OSX MWO Client since bootcamp works so well.

As for people wondering why anyone would chose a mac over a PC, the things that pushed me over the edge were OSX and the build quality. The 27" iMac display I have is awesome, and I love the fit and finish (all aluminum chassis etc). The fact that it's dead silent and doesn't have a separate "box" are a big plus too.

[Particle Man]

Lemon8or, on 16 December 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

I've used bootcamp, didn't care for it much. It did get the job done but was very annoying to use IMHO. Also, felt like I was polluting a machine that was working fine with some type of infection.

working fine except for that "cant play the games you want" Feature.

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I used PC for 20+years, switched to Mac and I will never go back. Had mac for 2 years now, guess how many time my machine has crashed or had to be rebooted because it "locked up"? Only once, and guess what software I was trying to run?

and how many times has it run MWO or other non-mac games? it's obviously not doing everything you want it to.

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I think people use PC because they are cheaper, but if you can afford a machine that actually works and does what you want it to without having to have computer engineering degree then you should try macs. Although the economics of this means that there are fewer users of macs, I get that, i think they should still try to support both.

i dont have a computer engineering degree, my computer does everything that the mac does, plus it cost less than half the price, and it can play all of the games i like, and is upgradable without having to play 2 or 3X as much for the same exact parts.

doesnt sound like the mac is really worth all that much. Particularly for a gamer. And if that shi*fest of itunes is any indication of the "quality" or "ease of use" software that mac makes, well lets just say that it's not a very good advertisement to switch to mac.

Edited by Particle Man, 16 February 2013 - 12:53 PM.

[DFA Ozymandias]

For years I struggled with the whole Mac vs. Windows thing. Mostly because of the cost factor. But I also noticed that many of the really good system engineers were using Macs and started talking with them. Turns out that yes, it costs more up front. But how long does your Windows Notebook last? I usually got about 2-3 years before it was time to replace it. Macs are typically being used for 4-7 years before having to be replaced so twice as long which makes up for the higher price tag. There's also the little things like it takes me half a day to set up a Mac workstation and takes about 2 days to set up a Windows box.

Not to mention they actually have a higher resale value, they get FAR better technical and hardware support than any of the "pc" manufacturers, they look a ton better and typically they have better tech in them before any of the others. Like retina display and SSD standard for example.

[Inertiaman]

Adeptus Odren, on 16 December 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

Like I said, to each his own. Not attacking you here. I just find it inefficient to use two computers for tasks that can be accomplished on one.

Well you must have a really good laptop. I thought I did but it certainly doesn't get 100fps in BF3 like my desktop. It is very hard to put my desktop and it's monitor in my bag though.

[Sug]

DFA Ozymandias, on 16 February 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Macs are typically being used for 4-7 years before having to be replaced

[tuokaerf]

scruffy416, on 15 February 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

OS aside, does any of the current gen Apple hardware have the hardware performance to play the game well? If so, I'm going to have to start bugging some buddies to install BootCamp and give it a try.

I figured the hardware wouldn't be close to up to it... but if Borderlands 2 is "playable" ...

Anyone out there playing exclusively on a Mac?

p.s. my definition of playable == at least 40fps in heated battles in Medium quality or better

Works great on my 2011 MacBook Pro. Win 7 boot camp, quad core i7, 8 GB of RAM, AMD Radeon 6770M. I get around 40FPS or so and run on Very High graphics settings.

Edited by tuokaerf, 16 February 2013 - 05:46 PM.