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[Viper69]

PGI, show me anything in life you learn to do through the 3rd person view...Thats right, there is nothing.

[TyR]

HELL NO!

I have a number of issues with this being implemented.

• Third person view negates, to varying degrees depending on implementation, the use of cover.
  
  • Obviously this means those in third person will be able to see enemies around cover negating surprise attacks and also making the LOS radar system implemented less useful when an enemy can be seen on screen when not showing up on radar
    
  • Again depending how this is implemented target/missile locks will be either easier to acquire because you can see more in third person or more confusing because a target will be visible on screen but might not necessarily meet the LOS check if the first person approach for targeting is kept.
    
  • Third person provides and advantage to anyone using jump jets to find a target to shoot when briefly clearing cover (jump sniping as the whiners often refer to it as) as opposed to those running in first person who have to clear the cover find the target and then move the reticle to hit it.
    
  • There is a greater view of the battlefield in third person. Seeing more can make it a lot easier to have a better understanding of everyone's positioning and everything else that comes as a result of that knowledge.
• ​This is in effect dumbing down the game instead of making the existing system easier to use. Make improvements to the HUD and tutorials, so people can figure this out not water down the game in a way that clearly from polls people do not want.
  
• There are far worse issues to address that are more confusing for new people. People who did not play the older games, mechwarrior 2 or mechwarrior 3, probably are not familiar with lag shooting. People do not expect to have to shoot ahead of a mech to hit it with lasers. The option of what to work on is probably not exclusive to one problem or another, but if it comes down to it people being confused about leg and torso twisting is probably way down on the list of issues.
  
• ​Catering to the lowest common denominator just does not make sense from a business standpoint. At first it seems like this will bring in more players and more money, but are these players who cannot figure this system out the ones you want? Will they be the ones who stick around and want to drop real money into the game? The ones who are alienated by adding a system like this on the other hand are probably a lot better to generate revenue from. Is it worth the risk of losing players who would pay to make 8 year old Johnny happy he can look at his mech's ***? There have already been a number of compromises, e.g., engine size, heat sink efficiency, heat generation, etc, put in the game to make people happy because they cannot handle the current mechanics of speed or do not like more than x number of lasers on mech. How long until we get a no heat mode in game because Johnny's 5 year old little brother keeps shutting down or blowing himself up?
  
• Private matches have been discussed and it is always said there is concern about fracturing the community. Guess what. Putting in third person will cause a definite split in community. People will have no issue jumping on with just their units or in league matches and then hopping in public games as well. Third person is totally different partially because of the issues mentioned in point 1. Those who play it will always want to play it. Those who do not will never want to. There will be some who do not care, but most will pick a side and stick with it as much as possible.

Btw, the bullet points are supposed to be numbered and some indented.

Edited by TyR, 14 November 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[Vulix]

I am ready to quit this game if 3rd person perspective is added before more gameplay critical items are fixed, like mech collisions. I already have little confidence in PGI at this point, and this is just about causing me to have no hope.

Even if you get new players on board with the 3rd person perspective, they won't stay very long because the game is broken right now. The people who will buy MC and premium time are gamers who take this game seriously and want to advance themselves. Not newbies. Please cater to people who will play this game for longer; fix gameplay bugs and mechanics instead of newb'ing down the game.

[Loxx]

Great! for spectator mode.

Terrible for gameplay.

[TruePoindexter]

The idea of segregating players based on their camera is a horrible idea. Please do not do this. Just let the inexperienced use the 3rd person view and the experienced players will continue to use first person. It's not the end of the world and in a worse case just let people toggle their view with a keystroke.

[red stapler]

I think adding 3rd person changes a pretty important core aesthetic of the game. I would vote no given the option to.

[VoidConductor]

Whats wrong ppl, why dont you want 3d view in spectator mode ?

How sad ... a game with such potential ... but no ... all patch, balance politics ...

[FuriA]

My feed back is Please don't do it.

[Thatnanoguy]

I really dont understand why people are saying this would ruin the game. It wouldnt affect current 1st person player AT ALL. The gametypes would be set up so that 1st person would play with 1st person and third person would play with third. If you want the "sim" feel. Play first person!!! Dont ruin it for newbies and people who would rather see their mech while playing. Thats just absurd.

[FrupertApricot]

For the love of god no. 3rd person will be manipulated by p layers to look over hilltops and around corners without exposing their mech, completely making scouts useless. It also will destroy immersion, make the in cockpit bobblehead things less attractive to buy, and generally represent a capitulation to the lowest denominator of gaming

WE WANT A SIMULATOR NOT AN ARCADE SHAMSHUP

[Atayu]

By reading through these post I did not see 1 that was on the side of 3rd person view. So there was a few that said ok ill exept it if i must but more that are totally against it. This is not a little change. It is like saying I know we started this game as chess but now that we are half way in the game we are going to swap out the peaces where they sit for cheekers and finish the game by those roles. Who cares if they are in spots they shouldn't go and the mechanical all work wrong it will help this guy learn to play chess better right LoL.

[Quxudica]

Clay Pigeon, on 14 November 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

What does 3rd person view have to do with light mechs?

I'm guessing he/she's the type that stands perfectly still while a Jenner gets right up their back side and legs or cores them. It's surprising how many kills you can get that way honestly. Never mind there are several cues to indicate you are being violated up the exhaust vent, they want a 3rd person view so they can see them while tunnel-visioning their target.

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Whats wrong ppl, why dont you want 3d view in spectator mode ?

How sad ... a game with such potential ... but no ... all patch, balance politics ...

If people could not talk to their living teammates or the other team, I'd be fine with it in spectator only. Unfortunately they can, and theirs no way to stop them doing so with third party voip programs. The potential for cheating with such a function is massive.

Edited by Quxudica, 14 November 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[Dukarriope]

I'm still listening to that podcast... and then I hear Russ talking about how he's "more more more", but... That's exactly what killed Kaos Studios.

It's great to have a vision and I think PGI has a great one, but you have to know how to limit it. Promising too much can easily backfire.

Edited by Dukarriope, 14 November 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[Kalthios]

Don't waste dev time on arcade features for a simulator. Spend deve time on things to enhance the simulation, think outside the box PGI: What would make Mechwarrior better?

[ReD3y3]

Develpoers these days. Ugg.

Sooooo out of touch.

[Zylo]

Thatnanoguy, on 14 November 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

I really dont understand why people are saying this would ruin the game. It wouldnt affect current 1st person player AT ALL. The gametypes would be set up so that 1st person would play with 1st person and third person would play with third. If you want the "sim" feel. Play first person!!! Dont ruin it for newbies and people who would rather see their mech while playing. Thats just absurd.

Have you considered that some experienced players would exploit this and use 3rd person knowing new players would be using it just to get easy kills?

How exactly would that help keep new players?

[KharnZor]

Salient, on 14 November 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Damn sell outs.

90% of the player base does not want it. Having said that i doubt they will listen.

[von Pilsner]

Zylo, on 14 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Have you considered that some experienced players would exploit this and use 3rd person knowing new players would be using it just to get easy kills?

How exactly would that help keep new players?

The same way 3rd person poptarts helped MW4....

[Amaterasu1963]

I do not think that 3rd person is appropriate to Mechwarrior.

I also do not think it will help "new players". A new good player will learn to fight in 1st person quickly. A new bad player will not become good even with 3rd person.

Bad idea.

[AceTimberwolf]

Silly kids