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[Heeden]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

Yesterday, PGI, the devs of the Mechwarrior online team announced in an official podcast, that they would turn the game into a 3RD person view shooter instead instead of keeping it the way it was intended, which will make, sadly and unfortunatly your ARTEMIS controller useless and obsolete, as you will agree, no gamers will buy an expensive and immersive 1st person controller to play a...3RD person view shooter.

You're kinda wrong here, they said they were looking in to ways of implementing 3rd-person-view in order to help new players, that is an awful long way from turning a mech-simulator into a 3rd-person shooter.

[Corpse Grinder]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

I asked Razer the exact same question we all voted NO at 90% here on that poll.
Are they gonna release the Artemis if the game goes 3rd person crap.
Thats it. Again if you do not like your vote, go ahead and change it, its not too late.
But if not, then don't go into public polls voting, as it becomes public once you do.
You voted no, you are part of the 90% Period.

I never said I didn't like my vote.... I don't know where you are getting that from. But I don't want you speaking on my behalf. You weren't asked to, and you don't have the authority to do so.

[Ozzalin]

Heeden, on 15 November 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

You're kinda wrong here, they said they were looking in to ways of implementing 3rd-person-view in order to help new players, that is an awful long way from turning a mech-simulator into a 3rd-person shooter.

Not at all, as they also said in the same podcast, if the community doesn't want 3rd person implemented into MWO then we won't implement it.

Now why would PGI say such thing, IF it would be only a tiny little help for new players only?
And seriously man, how is that 3rd person view would help any noobs at all, when after this "help" they will be thrown back into the real game which is in 1st?

PGI are working on a 3rd person system, period.
No matter how they will implement it, this game was intended as an FPS only and that's it.
If some kids cannot play a darn FPS man.... They have other games outhere.
I mean c'mon!

Edited by Ozzalin, 15 November 2012 - 08:47 AM.

[Ozzalin]

Corpse Grinder, on 15 November 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

I never said I didn't like my vote.... I don't know where you are getting that from. But I don't want you speaking on my behalf. You weren't asked to, and you don't have the authority to do so.

I didn't speak on your behalf.
I spoke and asked Razer questions, regarding almost ALL of us here, voting at 90% strong, on the 3rd person view problem.
You voted no, like me, like us who voted no, you expressed yourself, and i simply pointed out to Razer that WE did, me and you included.

The question was the same we asked PGI here so many times now since yesterday but now regarding their MWO controller.
If the game goes in some forms, whatever it is, in 3rd person view, are they gonna release this controller which has been intended as an FPS immersive one and not to play a 3rd person game.

If you do not want to be part of a group, on the internet, by voicing your opinion or if you are afraid of any of your opinions being voiced outside publicly... Than next time. Don't vote on public forums.

Edited by Ozzalin, 15 November 2012 - 08:56 AM.

[Heeden]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

Not at all, as they also said in the same podcast, if the community doesn't want 3rd person implemented into MWO then we won't implement it.

Now why would PGI say such thing, IF it would be only a tiny little help for new players only?
And seriously man, how is that 3rd person view would help any noobs at all, when after this "help" they will be thrown back into the real game which is in 1st?

PGI are working on a 3rd person system, period.
No matter how they will implement it, this game was intended as an FPS only. Period.
If some kids cannot play a darn FPS man.... They have other games outhere.
I mean c'mon!

Implementing a 3rd-person view does not mean the game will become a third-person shooter, you seem concerned it will end up playing like GoW or something (although you seem to think it currently plays like CoD by the way you keep calling it an FPS). The controls won't change and it will still play like a simulator, albeit with a potentially immersion-breaking view mode.

It is perfectly possible for them to give a third-person view that is only available in certain game-modes (tutorial for instance) or one that gives more disadvantages than advantages (mech blocking most of view, no HUD etc.)

Personally I wouldn't mind a match-mode that is done in 3rd person as long as the time/rewards make sure it isn't the main game-type that everyone goes for, or a 3rd person view for a tutorial/practice level that lets me look at my robot stomping around.

Finally, stop worrying about "the kids" coming and ruining your fun, playing internet robots is hardly the most mature of pursuits anyway and personally I was very much in the "kids" category when I first played a Mechwarrior game. Besides, kids are generally able to adapt to video games much quicker than us old farts so it's probably the non-kids (over 21s) who will benefit from a crutch to get them started.

[Rotaugen]

Another point: 90% of the people on the forum who even bothered to vote said they don't want 3rd person, not 90% of everyone on the forums (which is only a fraction of total players to begin with) so that reduces the % it is of total players even more.

[Ozzalin]

Heeden, on 15 November 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

Implementing a 3rd-person view does not mean the game will become a third-person shooter, you seem concerned it will end up playing like GoW or something (although you seem to think it currently plays like CoD by the way you keep calling it an FPS). The controls won't change and it will still play like a simulator, albeit with a potentially immersion-breaking view mode.

It is perfectly possible for them to give a third-person view that is only available in certain game-modes (tutorial for instance) or one that gives more disadvantages than advantages (mech blocking most of view, no HUD etc.)

Personally I wouldn't mind a match-mode that is done in 3rd person as long as the time/rewards make sure it isn't the main game-type that everyone goes for, or a 3rd person view for a tutorial/practice level that lets me look at my robot stomping around.

Finally, stop worrying about "the kids" coming and ruining your fun, playing internet robots is hardly the most mature of pursuits anyway and personally I was very much in the "kids" category when I first played a Mechwarrior game. Besides, kids are generally able to adapt to video games much quicker than us old farts so it's probably the non-kids (over 21s) who will benefit from a crutch to get them started.

I hope you'right.
But i've seen so many good games ruined and shredded to pieces in the past, just think about SWG after Pre-Cu era, went to hell and fast, Matrix Online, Tabula Rasa, Autoassault, Star Wars The Old republic, all of these and a lot more were or are good games, but due to their devs lacking the capacity to listen to their loyal player base, we all know what happened.
that's why honestly, i have a difficult time to believe MWO will stay on track as it is.
And of course, if no one is saying nothing about it, or simply goes with the usual " Meh they wont listen anyway"
or that kind of crap, then of course they wont listen.

[Ozzalin]

Rotaugen, on 15 November 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Another point: 90% of the people on the forum who even bothered to vote said they don't want 3rd person, not 90% of everyone on the forums (which is only a fraction of total players to begin with) so that reduces the % it is of total players even more.

Why are you so afraid of us all joining our voices asking the real questions and demanding real answers for once?
How many forums and topics in the past you've seen exactly the same way, but with no results in the end because no one took a real initiative? Why do you see this almost as politically incorrect? Why do suddenly proud of voting no, you seem afraid that razer will know you did so? Whats the big deal about some players suddenly turning into wusses when it is time to actually DO something instead of sitting on our arses and cry about it?

I did something to get answers today.
And i am proud of it sir.

[Stickjock]

http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show

Just checking... just for the heck of it... is THAT the poll you're getting your 90% from?? If so... how many votes are there?? In total... now...

Tell me... how many, TOTAL now, register'd users are there on the Forums here... so, while the poll may have a high number of NO votes... still inacurate as the VAST majority of Forum users have not/did not vote (myself included...)

And again... I don't really care that you felt the need to email/send a letter to Razer... but, as was pointed out in your very own first post... you DO NOT SPEAK for the Mechwarrior Online Community... you speak for yourself...

Spout 90% all you want... you still only speak for yourself...

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

Why are you so afraid of us all joining our voices asking the real questions and demanding real answers for once?
How many forums and topics in the past you've seen exactly the same way, but with no results in the end because no one took a real initiative? Why do you see this almost as politically incorrect? Why do suddenly proud of voting no, you seem afraid that razer will know you did so? Whats the big deal about some players suddenly turning into wusses when it is time to actually DO something instead of sitting on our arses and cry about it?

I did something to get answers today.
And i am proud of it sir.

Awesome... you did something to get answers... but again as a lot of people keep saying, it's your holy'r than thou attitude that YOU are going to be the one that saves us all... that's what I believe is getting people worked up... and the fact that no matter what anyone says, you still claim to speak for everyone here...

Ah well... back to supporting the Devs with whatever they decide for MW:O... cause the ride is only going to get better as time goes by...

Edited by Stickjock, 15 November 2012 - 09:19 AM.

[Krivvan]

Without commenting on anything else, how is a joystick with a minimap on it inherently meant for a first person view? Never played third person games with a joystick before?

[Ozzalin]

Stickjock, on 15 November 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...age__mode__show

Just checking... just for the heck of it... is THAT the poll you're getting your 90% from?? If so... how many votes are there?? In total... now...

Tell me... how many, TOTAL now, register'd users are there on the Forums here... so, while the poll may have a high number of NO votes... still inacurate as the VAST majority of Forum users have not/did not vote (myself included...)

And again... I don't really care that you felt the need to email/send a letter to Razer... but, as was pointed out in your very own first post... you DO NOT SPEAK for the Mechwarrior Online Community... you speak for yourself...

Spout 90% all you want... you still only speak for yourself...

I speak for the players who aren't frekin' sissies when its time to ask real questions and demanding real answers.
You made a very very good point here, you're not one of them.

[Heeden]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

Why are you so afraid of us all joining our voices asking the real questions and demanding real answers for once?

I'm afraid that all the whining and complaining will stop the devs wanting to talk to us about their development plans because it isn't worth crudding up the forums with sky-is-falling, posts about things they aren't even certain about yet.

Explaining your concerns about what 3rd-person-mode will bring to the game is brilliant, especially if you do so in a pre-existing thread like the stickied post at the top.

A passive-aggressive letter to a different company attempting to start a whiney crusade is crud and nothing to be proud of.

[Krivvan]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I speak for the players who aren't frekin' sissies when its time to ask real questions and demanding real answers.
You made a very very good point here, you're not one of them.

I voted No on that poll, and you don't speak for me. I would be absolutely fine with a third person view in a newbie mode and I also don't think that a joystick means that it must be in 1st person.

[Ozzalin]

Krivvan, on 15 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Without commenting on anything else, how is a joystick with a minimap on it inherently meant for a first person view? Never played third person games with a joystick before?

Its a cockpit controller, where you can attach all components together.
The Artemis has been intended for MWO to play as an FPS. "Immersive Feel" if you prefer as a cockpit pilot like the old series.
The thing is, Razer won't ever release the Artemis, precisely because of PGI not being straight with anyone, including them as what they really gonna do with the game.

[Krivvan]

Heeden, on 15 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

A passive-aggressive letter to a different company attempting to start a whiney crusade is crud and nothing to be proud of.

Pretty much this.

[Ozzalin]

Heeden, on 15 November 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I'm afraid that all the whining and complaining will stop the devs wanting to talk to us about their development plans because it isn't worth crudding up the forums with sky-is-falling, posts about things they aren't even certain about yet.

Explaining your concerns about what 3rd-person-mode will bring to the game is brilliant, especially if you do so in a pre-existing thread like the stickied post at the top.

A passive-aggressive letter to a different company attempting to start a whiney crusade is crud and nothing to be proud of.

lol, passive-agressive.... xD man.
Time for your pills buddy.
C'mon now.

[Krivvan]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

Its a cockpit controller, where you can attach all components together.
The Artemis has been intended for MWO to play as an FPS. "Immersive Feel" if you prefer as a cockpit pilot like the old series.
The thing is, Razer won't ever release the Artemis, precisely because of PGI not being straight with anyone, including them as what they really gonna do with the game.

And people played with joysticks in an 'immersive' way in the old Mechwarrior games in third person. There are even some that believe (and I respectfully disagree with) that third person helps their immersion because they can see their mech.

And at no point did anyone, PGI included, say that the game wouldn't have at least some part of it exclusively first person.

[Roland]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

I was about, like a lot of us as well, to pre-order and or buy your amazing ARTEMIS Mechwarrior controller to play the game, when you will release it.

Oh no, you threatened not to buy their non-existent concept controller, which will never exist.

The horror.

[Ozzalin]

Krivvan, on 15 November 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

And people played with joysticks in an 'immersive' way in the old Mechwarrior games in third person. There are even some that believe (and I respectfully disagree with) that third person helps their immersion because they can see their mech.

And at no point did anyone, PGI included, say that the game wouldn't have at least some part of it exclusively first person.

You're part of the 5% i respect that man.

Roland, on 15 November 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Oh no, you threatened not to buy their non-existent concept controller, which will never exist.

The horror.

Ask yourself then, why its not released yet?

[Krivvan]

Ozzalin, on 15 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

You're part of the 5% i respect that man.

Which 5% are you referring to? The 3rd person poll? Because I voted No. I was part of the 90%. I do not believe that MWO 'needs or should have it' (terribly phrased question too by the way), but I would not be opposed to it being implemented in a limited way.

That was my entire point, you don't speak for me and you can't say you do simply because you can point to 90% on a poll.