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[Sarah Dalrymple]

I can't speak for everyone in BlackStar Mercs, but I have already heard from several members of our unit on this, and they have decided that 3rd person view will break the immersion of the game and that when/if this is implemented, they will no longer be playing this game. I am one of those people. If it wasn't already too late, my husband and I would be asking for refunds for our Founder packages. Between the coolant flush, the game crashing randomly with no apparent rhyme or reason, game play balance being broken and now the insistence of 3rd person view despite the majority of the player base NOT wanting it, this game has quickly lost its element of fun for us.

[Busithoth]

I don't understand how this will be the straw which broke the camel's back. I assume 3rd person view would accompany collisions' reintroduction to gameplay. But if you don't like 3rd person view, don't use it? I would only use it to show someone my gorgeous mech in the field, but I would be well worse than I already am if I tried to really PLAY in 3rd person mode.

[Conraire]

Busithoth, on 21 March 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

I don't understand how this will be the straw which broke the camel's back. I assume 3rd person view would accompany collisions' reintroduction to gameplay. But if you don't like 3rd person view, don't use it? I would only use it to show someone my gorgeous mech in the field, but I would be well worse than I already am if I tried to really PLAY in 3rd person mode.

Not really, Ghost Recon Online is 3rd person view, unless your aiming down your sites. And it causes all kinds of problems for anyone trying to be stealthy. This game needs a rear view camera PIP thing, like I think MW3 had, or one of the games. Where you could turn it on and see what was behind like in the cockpit.

[Huoshini]

This is the straw that broke the camels back?

Ohhh no. The camel already had it back broken by another straw, got put on a stretcher, brought to the ER, became a victim of malpractice, filed a law suit, lost the legal battle and is still complaining about all of the past unfortunate events.

This could either be the death of said camel or maybe an ice cream truck that hit him....

[Valder]

Percimes, on 21 March 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

And for the people saying "But it gives those who use it an advantage over you if your not using it, so you HAVE to use it". If you're using VOIP you are the biggest hypocrites here.

Wait, wut? First off, VOIP is an intended feature (see c3) that the general community as a whole wants because it increases immersion, fun, and camaraderie... none of which is the case for 3rd person. The general playerbase doesn't want 3rd person, it decreases immersion, it will lower the fun factor for said community, and will splinter us into those who play in 3rd person matches and those who don't. Comparing it to 3rd person is like saying if you use medium lasers then you're a hypocrite if you don't want 3rd person.

[Alois Hammer]

pencilboom, on 21 March 2013 - 04:40 AM, said:

I don't get what you guys mean by 3rd person is breaking the immersion blah blah blah. They already said that if you don't want it, then it won't affect you.

The same "They" said that Coolant Flush would never be added because it breaks the heat management mechanic. See how "they said" works?

[xbodyshot]

Just to add my voice to the chorus (and that of my friend)

3rd Person view will completely ruin the feel of this game for the reasons people have mentioned. Less immersion, unrealistic awareness, and the slow creep towards the shoot'em-up fast passed game that we were promised would never be (see: coolshot implementation), etc, etc...

Me and my friends promise NEVER PLAY AGAIN if they implement this!

P.S. "Don't like it don't use it crowd" is missing the point, its not about if "I" use it, its the impact on the actual game for those that do vs. those that don't and it would be one more example of the DEVs abandoning the vision of the game for reasons that no-one actually understands.

[TheMightyWashburn]

Bumping to maintain that I have not forgetten this little nugget and will never stand for it if implemented. 3rd person = No more money from this Pilot.

[darkfall13]

Busithoth, on 21 March 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

I would only use it to show someone my gorgeous mech in the field

This isn't Mechs and Tiaras Online...

Edited by darkfall13, 21 March 2013 - 11:40 AM.

[PictishWolf]

darkfall13, on 21 March 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

This isn't Mechs and Tiaras Online...

It isn't? Then what's with all of the pointless paintjobs and distracting wastes of money they call cockpit customization? I'd buy more MC if there was anything really worth buying. Better yet, I'd pay a 1-time $50 for the ability to convert Cbills to MC. But not now. Now every time they add stuff, it breaks other stuff. LRM downpour, anyone? I love the initial plan for this game but I'm getting bored with deathmatches. Don't say Conquest. It's still almost always a deathmatch. Also, 3rd person = me finding something else to spend my time and money on.

Above being said, if we're gonna stick with the decoration garbage, I want my Atlas to look like a big, brown teddy bear with ears and a light brown belly. "C'mere! I won't hurt you...anymore...after you're dead!"

[John MatriX82]

WVAnonymous, on 21 March 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

3rd Person view in Testing Grounds only. End of Statement.

This.

[Vectoron The Black Minister]

Huoshini, on 21 March 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

This is the straw that broke the camels back?

Ohhh no. The camel already had it back broken by another straw, got put on a stretcher, brought to the ER, became a victim of malpractice, filed a law suit, lost the legal battle and is still complaining about all of the past unfortunate events.

This could either be the death of said camel or maybe an ice cream truck that hit him....

Sir, not only have you hit the nail on the head, but you have also made my day. Cycle watch over you.

Sarah Dalrymple, on 21 March 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

I can't speak for everyone in BlackStar Mercs, but I have already heard from several members of our unit on this, and they have decided that 3rd person view will break the immersion of the game and that when/if this is implemented, they will no longer be playing this game. I am one of those people. If it wasn't already too late, my husband and I would be asking for refunds for our Founder packages. Between the coolant flush, the game crashing randomly with no apparent rhyme or reason, game play balance being broken and now the insistence of 3rd person view despite the majority of the player base NOT wanting it, this game has quickly lost its element of fun for us.

Yeah, can I have my 120 bucks back? Methinks I can waste it better than you :3

[Zerstorer Stallin]

I've already sworen of any money to PGI, I've got MC already and I may finish spending it. I will not purchase another cent from MWO as long as consumables are in the game. More over I too will walk away the day 3rd person becomes a feature of MWO in game play.

[Vectoron The Black Minister]

This isnt even PGI really if you look at this games history and beginning. No, this is IGP trying to milk our favorite game and genre for their own crap.

The moment that PGI signed up with IGP, they were forced to stop talking to and working with the community, something that was working well and because of them working with us the game was a lot smoother and balanced then it is NOW. They still got flack, but not nearly as much as they are getting NOW.


More to the point. They started going back on stuff that they said would never be in here, and said that they would always AIM for F2P not P2W. While they have held up to the latter, they have nearly broke that one several times.

This is all about money for IGP, I get the absolute feeling that they care nothing for this community or the genre of games.

I have happily supported PGI and would do so time and again, but its soul been sold to the devil pretty much.

Ill stop here and let this sink in before I get anymore frustrated and end up like so many more before me. Banned.

Edited by Vectoron, 21 March 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[Grey Rabbit]

I'm not sure, but if 3rd person doesn't let you see enemies you otherwise shouldn't (I think I've read this but I'm too lazy to find it because I really don't care)and is an option that doesn't have to be turned on(which I am sure of, and also still don't care)... Why is everyone having this argument(which is the only thing I am sort curious about)?

Worse case scenario, assuming you can't peek around and see someone you shouldn't, someone will be able to see a building that you probably have seen 1000 times by now and you should have an idea that something's there anyways. I think after a few rounds, most of us should be able to find our ways around these maps. Just saying...

-GR

[Mao of DC]

Grey Rabbit, on 21 March 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

I'm not sure, but if 3rd person doesn't let you see enemies you otherwise shouldn't (I think I've read this but I'm too lazy to find it because I really don't care)and is an option that doesn't have to be turned on(which I am sure of, and also still don't care)... Why is everyone having this argument(which is the only thing I am sort curious about)?

Worse case scenario, assuming you can't peek around and see someone you shouldn't, someone will be able to see a building that you probably have seen 1000 times by now and you should have an idea that something's there anyways. I think after a few rounds, most of us should be able to find our ways around these maps. Just saying...

-GR

The issue is more than a few people who want 3rd person want it for more than just looking at their mech. They WANT to be able to look around corners and over hills without leaveing cover. A few people have even said that is want they wanted. I have posted many time on this thread so I have ACTUALLY read all 101 (sry 102 GJ every1) pages. But I not going to go through them to find the post of people who want the cheat factor 3rd person provides. Just know that it does exist.

Edited by Mao of DC, 21 March 2013 - 06:13 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

I like how the hot topic heat sink thing is about how we should do it not IF.

Theyre doing it, **** our opinions.

[Rejarial Galatan]

the sad problem is, it would seem PGI no longer cares about their image, because they post information on this issue everywhere on the net BUT on here. We have been up in arms over that single tweet now for what? 24 hours and NO official word from PGI to stop this fire. They asked us if we wanted it, we said no, they decided that was the incorrect response and now are apparently adding in the feature. it would seem they actively want this to fail. they have seriously wounded their PR image, our faith in them is basically gone.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

http://mwomercs.com/...095-3rd-person/

Bryan Ekman, on 21 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Here are the facts.

• Yes we are currently working on a 3rd person option for MWO.
  
  
  
  
• There is no ETA for when 3rd person will be available.
  
  
  
  
• Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

Why add 3rd person?

• Reduces friction for non-MechWarrior players, non-core players, and expands the MWO market to a broader audience. It helps to make the game more accessible and less intimidating.
  
• Offers up a different style of gameplay and tactics.

You will have the following options as a player:

• Play against 1st and 3rd person players.
  
• Play against 3rd person players only.
  
• Play against 1st person players only.
  
• Players can set their preference in the options menu, or during the launch phase before matchmaking.

General Information

• We have not decided on the final implementation of what third person will look like yet.
  
• We are very aware of the design and balancing challenges faced by adding a 3rd person option and will address these through exhaustive private and public testing before pushing any 3rd person features live.
  
• It is possible 3rd person will be made available in other regions first. Typically 3rd person is more widely used outside of North America.
  
• We understand players may be concerned about matchmaking and further segmenting the player base. So are we. Before going live with a 3rd person option, we plan to investigate and solve any potential issues further fragmentation may cause.

We would like to invite your constructive feedback on how you would like to see 3rd person executed.

• Standard forum rules apply, please be kind, courteous, and clearly communicated your ideas or opinions.
  
• This is not the place to say you dislike 3rd person.

When we get closer to launching 3rd person, expect an official Command Chair post detailing our planned 3rd person feature set.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 21 March 2013 - 09:03 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

this is a dark dark dark day for this game. what had potential, no longer does.