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[Teh Zig]

Hopefully you guys won't be implementing a 3rd person view. That seems like a right rubbish thing to do. While I do have a preference to the 1st person, using it after the option of 3rd person is implemented will put myself and others at a huge disadvantage. A lot of the strategy in MWO involves getting into an opponents blind side to deliver attacks. A 3rd person camera more or less eliminates that blind side. There's no way simply not turning it on will not affect a player competing against another who is using the feature. Anyway, I just want to show my lack of support for this decision even being considered.

[PUNISHER68]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

So why even mention it??

[Damocles69]

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Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did. [/color]
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what dose this even mean!?

[Nikohki]

Rokuzachi, on 16 November 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

I hope people keep in mind that features can be removed if they are proven to be detrimental to the game.

It's not like if they put it in for testing, it has to stay in and can never be removed.

I do believe the general consensus here is that they shouldn't even waste the manpower/time on it...

[Gargoth]

seriously guys... seriously.

This shitstorm about 3rd person view? its getting ridiculous.
I DO understand the reasons behind the opposition, but this?
They already said it will be made on "if" basis, and currently, the "if" is so weakly supported by player base, that i dont see it coming, MW:O is one of the rarest games, where developers DO listen players. so in my opinion, it will not come, and if it will? then there will be some serious chances to it, limiting view of real vision, or some other s**t that casual players just have to accept.

Is there no end in your whining about things? 3rd person view, imho, currently is not the issue, rather i wish dev team would concentrate on net code, and make this playable outside U.S & canada, we, european players suffer from terrible lag spikes from time to time, for examble.

They said something, forums lit up, witches were burned (literally ofcourse) and sticks were being raised, now they gave their response, and still you just have to keep rambling and raising the mobs for barricades that have already burned down and surrendered.

where is the point in this?

Just... accept some things at this point lads. you've won, and you have been heard.

[B B Wolfe]

nitra, on 16 November 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

I do not have to , i graciously doubled the the number from the poll of those for 3PV . and even if i quadrupled it it would still be less than 18%

This silent majority you are eluding too does not exist. and even their is a sizable number i guarantee you they are not long term players nor our they going to be income positive players .

because if they can not spend a few minutes in the forums keeping abreast of the ongoings of a brand new, exciting and evolving big stompy robot game . what kind of players are they ?

Well i would not call them fans .

they are just entertainment consumers they will come consume and move on they will contribute nothing nor will they provide any additional income of significant amounts.

developing features for this crowd at the expense of more pressing issues is a huge error, and the real players who are going to spend plenty of cash and contribute plenty of time are trying to make them realize this.

This implies that your statistic is free of confounding factors.

[BDU Drakzen]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

Garth,

Then why even mention it in a broadcast if it wasn't already in the works.

[Wired]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

I understand what you are saying, but to be fair the last time I heard something similar it was with my job at an internet support desk. They told us that they were looking into what would be required of them if they outsourced our jobs, but that they didn't plan to do it....and they did it.
And I understand that you're not doing it, but a lot of people are going to see the attempt as exactly that.

Having a third person view would be handy in a couple of points - say if you're a spectator. This would be great for people wanting to get screenshots and the like. However, I believe that finding that balance where third person is functional but doesn't give any undue advantages will be highly improbable.

[Dren Nas]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

If you don't plan to add it, why look into what it would require of you?

[Rokuzachi]

Damocles69, on 16 November 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

[color=#959595] Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did. [/color] [color=#959595] [/color] what dose this even mean!?

Sounds like they want to know what it will take resource/tech wise for if they ever need to do it for some reason.

[Suskis]

I hope you're aware in this MMORPG war raging these days, the slightest mistake from devs can doom a promising game

[Stunner]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

This quote contradicts what you said earlier. Your first statement makes it appear you are considering it and trying to figure out how to implement it correctly. Your next statement makes it appear that you aren't even looking at it.

I think we need Russ at this point to clarify but he has already changed his mind on things before.

[Psychonitrous]

I have actually listened to the podcast and it honestly sounds like they are legitimately concerned about new players (who never played a mech or tank game) and their ability to pilot a mech. While I believe they could solve this issue by creating a translucent figure of the battlemech on the side of the hud, adding third person is an excellent way to address this issue.
They want to implement this in BETA to test it and then see the community reaction. (what a novel idea considering Beta is for testing ideas that may or may not be implemented into the actual game)

So relax and stop speculating until we see if third person actually ruins the game in the way that it is implemented.

[Gargoth]

Garth Erlam, on 16 November 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Just to make sure everyone, well, actually read that and listened to what Russ said, we don't plan to add 3rd person. We're looking at what it would require of us if we did.

it wont be added <end whine>

So, suck it up lads, again your whining got attention and you've won.

[PUNISHER68]

Gargoth, on 16 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

seriously guys... seriously.

This shitstorm about 3rd person view? its getting ridiculous.
I DO understand the reasons behind the opposition, but this?
They already said it will be made on "if" basis, and currently, the "if" is so weakly supported by player base, that i dont see it coming, MW:O is one of the rarest games, where developers DO listen players. so in my opinion, it will not come, and if it will? then there will be some serious chances to it, limiting view of real vision, or some other s**t that casual players just have to accept.

Is there no end in your whining about things? 3rd person view, imho, currently is not the issue, rather i wish dev team would concentrate on net code, and make this playable outside U.S & canada, we, european players suffer from terrible lag spikes from time to time, for examble.

They said something, forums lit up, witches were burned (literally ofcourse) and sticks were being raised, now they gave their response, and still you just have to keep rambling and raising the mobs for barricades that have already burned down and surrendered.

where is the point in this?

Just... accept some things at this point lads. you've won, and you have been heard.

Stop kissing ***

[Shaddock]

Dren Nas, on 16 November 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

If you don't plan to add it, why look into what it would require of you?

To screw with us?

[Tearsus]

Ok...seriously I have to say, I don't get it - I mean all the reasons of that discussions and emotional behaviour.
If there will be a possibility to change the view into the 3rd person, you don't have to ******* use it.

And yeah, I'm not an expert, but even I think, that this ominous 3rd person view will >not< give you super power.

So slow down people...when it's in the game, you were able to watch at your nice detailled mech like never in a
Mech game oder at the tabletop games before.

[Dren Nas]

Gargoth, on 16 November 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

seriously guys... seriously.

This shitstorm about 3rd person view? its getting ridiculous.
I DO understand the reasons behind the opposition, but this?
They already said it will be made on "if" basis, and currently, the "if" is so weakly supported by player base, that i dont see it coming, MW:O is one of the rarest games, where developers DO listen players. so in my opinion, it will not come, and if it will? then there will be some serious chances to it, limiting view of real vision, or some other s**t that casual players just have to accept.

Is there no end in your whining about things? 3rd person view, imho, currently is not the issue, rather i wish dev team would concentrate on net code, and make this playable outside U.S & canada, we, european players suffer from terrible lag spikes from time to time, for examble.

They said something, forums lit up, witches were burned (literally ofcourse) and sticks were being raised, now they gave their response, and still you just have to keep rambling and raising the mobs for barricades that have already burned down and surrendered.

where is the point in this?

Just... accept some things at this point lads. you've won, and you have been heard.

"If" turns into "when" fairly easily.

[JoolNoret]

Having listened to that episode, I totally get where they are coming from. Being able to see your mech could help new players get used to the whole running one direction shooting in another, torso twist mechanic. Personally I think that is a trivial crutch in that instance. What new players (and the rest of us) need is a play ground with an optional tutorial run through. Help new pilots learn their cockpit. Teach them to watch the arrow on the map. Explain weapon grouping. Tell them what the heat meter means. This would also give experienced players a place to set up weapon groups and test load outs. It's a win\win. No one could possibly be upset by that. I think a playground environment is the only place 3rd person would belong. In the end, I'll be in 1st regardless and don't really care if someone else plays otherwise.

[Rokuzachi]

Gargoth, on 16 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

it wont be added <end whine> So, suck it up lads, again your whining got attention and you've won.

I don't think anyone 'won'. This was probably the case from the start. All this hilariously rabid toothgnashing in the forums was pretty much over nothing. Shocker.