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[fil5000]

qultar, on 28 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

if i was in Clan Ghost Bear being a member of any the casts is fine
now the other clans not so good i been told the wolfs are ok

I just read some of your other posts. You'd be lucky to get a job in the Drain Unclogging Caste.

[Rannos]

I'm a habitual lair btw.

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Mopping up superior genetic material is one way to make a living.

Edited by crabcakes66, 28 January 2013 - 01:03 PM.

[Reverend]

I'll be in a clan as long as I CAN BE A MANIAC ON THE DANCE FLOOR!

[Westonard]

Ter Ushaka, on 28 January 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Nothing can go wrong if a person with zero sense of leadership becomes leader because they can shoot better gooder than someone.

Actually, as has been said repeatedly, but you ignore it, the advancement is through combat and capability. It doesn't matter if you are a crack pilot in the Clans, if you are a terrible leader, guess what? You will remain a basic mechwarrior for your entire career. Advancement to Khan/saKhan is chosen by vote by 500 people. They look at the candidates, at their actions both in combat, as well as their political views as well as general leadership abilities. And as I said in my other post, at least two clans are not strictly Warriors are the best mind set. Clan Ghost Bear has a third of it's leadership in the non warrior caste, and a third are freebirths, which gives non warriors even more of a say because freebirths will likely side with the non warriors in non military matters when it comes to the day to day actions of Ghost Bear. Clan Diamond Shark, known as the merchant clan has a poor military presence, but is well known for being great traders. Even their Khan and saKhan are more ofte than not, merchants first, warriors second.

Ter Ushaka, on 28 January 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

I hope this thread understands if clans were a real thing you'd all be slaves in their system. Because it smells like a renfaire in here.

I love this constant comparison of the Caste system to slavery., HEY GUYS! Guess what? According to your own argument against a Caste system, India currently condones slavery! They still have, use, and adhere to their own caste systems. Except in India you can't marry outside of your caste, or rise above it. In The clans, a freebirth can move from the laborer caste to the warrior caste, if he is capable. And there is nothing that says that a Tech and a Scientist, or Merchant, or Laborer can't marry someone out of their caste And with the exception of trueborn warriors looking down on them, there is nothing to say that the rest of clan society don't view each other as equals who contribute to the clans.

Edited by Westonard, 28 January 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[fil5000]

Got it chief. Clan life = better than living in India. Sounds sweet.

[Rannos]

The Indian government doesn't enforce a caste system you bigot. Also it's been explained before that rising above your caste is near impossible.

Edited by Rannos, 28 January 2013 - 01:30 PM.

[Westonard]

Be as flippant as you want, the entire Clan caste system was very likely based on a real world model that is used today. And for most people in India, it works.

[Ter Ushaka]

Rannos, on 28 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

The Indian government doesn't enforce a caste system you bigot. Also it's been explained before that rising above your caste is near impossible.

Unless you're a Mary Sue character, which some people in this thread seem to think they are!

Westonard, on 28 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Be as flippant as you want, the entire Clan caste system was very likely based on a real world model that is used today. And for most people in India, it works.

So go move to India and become a Dalit. Then tell us how it works for you.

Edited by Ter Ushaka, 28 January 2013 - 01:41 PM.

[Silent]

Westonard, on 28 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

And for most people in India, it works.

Hahahaha

[fil5000]

Westonard, on 28 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Be as flippant as you want, the entire Clan caste system was very likely based on a real world model that is used today. And for most people in India, it works.

It certainly works for the people at the top of the tree, so it must be fine.

[qultar]

no YOU keep saying your locked in your cast the books say other wise
if by some strange chance a kid born in the labor cast had a IQ of 160
they move him to other cast most likely tech or sci
it dose not happen often as they pair up cast members

[Rannos]

Westonard, on 28 January 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Be as flippant as you want, the entire Clan caste system was very likely based on a real world model that is used today. And for most people in India, it works.

HEY GUYS, INDIA HASN'T CHANGED FOR LIKE THE LAST FOUR CENTURIES RIGHT?!

[Westonard]

Rannos, on 28 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

The Indian government doesn't enforce a caste system you bigot. Also it's been explained before that rising above your caste is near impossible.

http://en.wikipedia....system_in_India

You are right, the government doesn't enforce the case system. It's hard to enforce a social construct as a political entity. And yet, it's still widely practiced by the Indian people. The lowest caste only recently became considered for entry into priesthood. But even then, chances are people who come from the castes that traditionally have these roles will be chosen over the lowest because, tradition.

As for the clans, if rising above your caste was impossible, then certain clans wouldn't have large ratio of Freebirth warriors. Sure, in extreme clans, such as Smoke Jaguar, Blood Adder, Fire mandrill, Wolf post Schism, most Crusader clans, Freebirths are treated like crap. Yet if you look at the examples of freebirths in Warden clans, the number of Freebirths who are either mechwarriors, or experts in their field as merchants, techs, scientists, are known and respected rises dramatically.

Edited by Westonard, 28 January 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[fil5000]

qultar, on 28 January 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

no YOU keep saying your locked in your cast the books say other wise
if by some strange chance a kid born in the labor cast had a IQ of 160
they move him to other cast most likely tech or sci
it dose not happen often as they pair up cast members

The idea of a caste system alone is absurd. Having warriors be at the top of it is doubly so.

[Stormwolf]

Westonard, on 28 January 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Actually, as has been said repeatedly, but you ignore it, the advancement is through combat and capability.

Snip

Psst, they don't care about any explanations, they only keep trolling to annoy people like you.
It's best not to pay any attention to them.

[fil5000]

Stormwolf, on 28 January 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Psst, they don't care about any explanations, they only keep trolling to annoy people like you.
It's best not to pay any attention to them.

Well, that and most of us think the idea of wanting to be clanners given their utterly ridiculous social structure and institutionalized xenophobia and oppression of non "warriors" is indicative of a diseased mind.

[Stormwolf]

fil5000, on 28 January 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Well, that and most of us think the idea of wanting to be clanners given their utterly ridiculous social structure and institutionalized xenophobia and oppression of non "warriors" is indicative of a diseased mind.

Nice try, but I won't be wasting any time on you, bye.

[Silent]

Stormwolf, on 28 January 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Nice try, but I won't be wasting any time on you, bye.

You've probably spent a good portion of your life pretending to be a fictional space warrior born from a test tube into an oppressive caste system, what's another couple minutes of your time?

[fil5000]

Stormwolf, on 28 January 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Nice try, but I won't be wasting any time on you, bye.

You don't have to, it doesn't change what I said. Enjoy roleplaying your future space *******!