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[Thorstine]

This poll might help. http://mwomercs.com/...o-you-pug-poll/

It makes me think that what people are seeing is the snow ball effect from their shot gun formations.

[Dimento Graven]

I can't help but post this here too:

From the http://mwomercs.com/game page:

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How does gameplay work?

MechWarrior Online puts MechWarriors into a first-person, team-based, tactical battlefield where the victors swim in the spoils of war and are rewarded with the almighty C-Bill (in-game currency).

Each team has 8 players and the two teams are pitted in combat in an enclosed battlefield. Communication is key, be it in-game chat, integrated C3, or a third party VOIP solution, keeping in constant communication with your teammates will drastically increase your team’s chances of success.

The various weight classes of BattleMechs help create their own evolving roles on the battlefield. Fast moving scouts can feed target and tactical information back to the main battle group and the team commander. This information allows the support and assault role pilots to decide where to put their resources to work. Long-range fire support and heavy hitting assault class Mechs will use this invaluable information to finish the job at hand. It is up to you, the pilot, to customize your BattleMech’s loadout and electronic systems to fulfill the role you want to take.

So... Join a team, use VOIP and get over yourself...

[Sybreed]

does playing with 1 friend count as premade?

[Serapth]

Bguk, on 29 January 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

That link needs to be stickied. Who am I kidding, there will be some who won't read that. So I'll just bump.

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Also, while I do agree with you it's very sad when larger corps/clans will run 4 mans to intentionally beat up on newer players. It sucks, but maybe the fact we can see them doing it will change their mind, I dunno. People often talk a big game and then realise what it entails, and well...
...snip...
To sum though, I challenge those who do drop in 4mans to try solo dropping for awhile. See how the other side lives. Yes you'll RUN back to TS3 when you're done, sure, but I hope you also see why they complain about it. Being in a 4man doesn't guarantee a win, just like being a lone wolf doesn't guarantee you'll lose. However, a 4man guarantees that team DOES NOT have four new players, and makes it more likely the opposing teams will.
...snip...
I understand the vast majority of 4man groups are just doing it to play with their friends, but I think you also know, if in the back of your mind, you have an unfair advantage.

You realize Garth basically just said EXACTLY what many of us have been saying. The only thing he unfortunately didn't say is that they are going to do something about it, beyond ELO.

It is nice to see he is aware of the problem though. It was also interesting to see the comment about 4man pug stomping and "being watched".

[Joseph Mallan]

Sybreed, on 29 January 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

does playing with 1 friend count as premade?

To some... yes. Two players on coms can work over a Lone Wolf kinda easily.

[Dimento Graven]

Sybreed, on 29 January 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

does playing with 1 friend count as premade?

/Ironic sarcasm on: Of course it does you dirty nasty pathetic cheater who can't win without the assistance of OTHER people!

HOW DARE YOU FORM TEAMS IN A TEAM BASED GAME!!!
/Ironic sarcasm off

Yeah it really does, and you'll probably end up getting crap from all the ***** pug only players.

[Thirdstar]

Dimento Graven, on 29 January 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

So... Join a team, use VOIP and get over yourself...

Nah, that won't work. If everyone joined VOIP who are you going to stomp? Didn't think of that did you smart guy?

I gotta say here that some of the Founders are the worst possible ambassadors for the game.

Edit: Ironic sarcasm? *SNORT*

Edited by Thirdstar, 29 January 2013 - 10:05 AM.

[Sybreed]

Dimento Graven, on 29 January 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

/Ironic sarcasm on: Of course it does you dirty nasty pathetic cheater who can't win without the assistance of OTHER people!

HOW DARE YOU FORM TEAMS IN A TEAM BASED GAME!!!
/Ironic sarcasm off

Yeah it really does, and you'll probably end up getting crap from all the ***** pug only players.

funny cause I consider myself a pug player. My friend isn't always online and most of the time I just pug.

[Bguk]

Serapth, on 29 January 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

You realize Garth basically just said EXACTLY what many of us have been saying. The only thing he unfortunately didn't say is that they are going to do something about it, beyond ELO.

It is nice to see he is aware of the problem though. It was also interesting to see the comment about 4man pug stomping and "being watched".

Yes, I read. All I stated was it needed to be stickied with a snarky comment afterwards. If you want to discuss the inner workings of what he said I'm game.

[Thirdstar]

Bguk, on 29 January 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Yes, I read. All I stated was it needed to be stickied with a snarky comment afterwards. If you want to discuss the inner workings of what he said I'm game.

I'll step up.

Garth Erlam, on 29 January 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

On the other hand though, virtually every post about a 'loss' here claims it was against a premade - but when I check the logs, I find it wasn't (and if it was, it was a pair or friends or something.)

I'd love to know how Garth does this with 'virtually' every post. Most of them give no solid details at all beyond 'Got stomped 8 times in a row' or something. So he'd have to have some mondo mind reading skillz to get this information.

The rest of his post accepts the assertion that there ARE some issues but this single sentence sounds like one of his "cored Atlas from behind in 3 seconds" less than well thought out lines.

[FreeFragUK]

When my friends are online and not busy playing terrible games such as DotA2 then I tend to run in a pre-made. When they aren't around I will be in a PUG which is the majority of the time.

[Elandyll]

Poll pretty much confirms my thoughts, the game is the tyranny of the minority.
25% of players doing pre-mades (there's obviously more than that between the Premade only and the mostly premade) is enough to make the other 50% of the players miserable, and you will have another 25% of Puggers who will randomly be on the receiving or the giving side of stomps.

Just by the sake of randomness, some Puggers will experience more stomps, other won't experience as many (when either being on the giving side or facing another all Pug).

What is interesting is how much a 4 man premade can change the dynamic in a match, let alone a sync drop.

If PGI will not implement Pug only queue (and I understand that it's a fear of the Premades to have to -gasp- wait longer for a match), I do not see what rationale they have in not implementing a strict 1 Premade per side (disabling the possibility even of sync drops), and doing so that the matchmaker will always put a premade in front of a pre made and then fill in the blank spots.

That just makes waaay too much sense, and is easily implementable even before the ELO system.

Edited by Elandyll, 29 January 2013 - 10:14 AM.

[w0rm]

Elandyll, on 29 January 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

Poll pretty much confirms my thoughts, the game is the tyranny of the minority.
25% of players doing pre-mades is enough to make the other 50% of the players miserable, and you will have another 25% of Puggers who will randomly be on the receiving or the giving side of stomps.

Just by the sake of randomness, some people Puggers wil lexperience more stomps, other won't experience as many (when either being on the giving side or facing another all Pug).

What is interesting is how much a 4 man premade can change the dynamic in a match, let alone a sync drop.

If PGI will not implement Pug only queue (and I understand that it's a fear of the Premades to have to -gasp- wait longer for a match), I do not see what rationale they have in not implementing a strict 1 Premade per side (disabling the possibility even of sync drops), and doing so that the matchmaker will always put a premade in front of a pre made and then fill in the blank spots.

That just makes waaay too much sense, and is easily implementable even before the ELO system.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1811118

[Dimento Graven]

Thirdstar, on 29 January 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Nah, that won't work. If everyone joined VOIP who are you going to stomp? Didn't think of that did you smart guy?

I gotta say here that some of the Founders are the worst possible ambassadors for the game.

Edit: Ironic sarcasm? *SNORT*

Have to admit, this made me laugh!

[Sadistic Savior]

PUG, probably because I am new...but I think I would PUG anyway.

It's just easier. You can jump into games faster, and you are not beholden to compromising with a team. I need breathing room. Might change once Community Warfare gets going later this year, but for now, I am very happy with PUGs.

As for premades...if anything, I think of them as a challenge. I have been curb-stomped by them several times already, but in each instance, there were things I could have done to avoid it but didn't because I was reckless and impatient. So I look at it as a learning experience.

[Elandyll]

w0rm, on 29 January 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1811118

Mmmh, aside from admitting that he knows that premades have an advantage and that they are still working on ELO, I do not see anything new. He doesn't even say they are considering preventing the sync drops, which is the worst thing about this.
No mention of matching premade vs premade systematically either.

Edited by Elandyll, 29 January 2013 - 10:18 AM.

[Bguk]

Thirdstar, on 29 January 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

I'd love to know how Garth does this with 'virtually' every post. Most of them give no solid details at all beyond 'Got stomped 8 times in a row' or something. So he'd have to have some mondo mind reading skillz to get this information.

Giving details would entail giving data, which would then have more people calling for more statistics, which it sounds(and looks) like they currently don't have the time to devote to it. What he has by asserting that statement are statistics and facts at his disposal. I'll take his word for it.

Elandyll, on 29 January 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Mmmh, aside from admitting that he knows that premades have an advantage and that they are still working on ELO, I do not see anything new. He doesn't even say they are considering preventing the sync drops, which is the worst thing about this.
No mention of matching premade vs premade systematically either.

There are those who want perfection out of the gate and that's not going to happen. He admitted:

"Also, we'll keep adding to it as time goes on and we see what needs to be done/changed/added/etc."

[Thirdstar]

Bguk, on 29 January 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Giving details would entail giving data, which would then have more people calling for more statistics, which it sounds(and looks) like they currently don't have the time to devote to it. What he has by asserting that statement are statistics and facts at his disposal. I'll take his word for it.

You'll pardon me if I don't. Because Garth has in the past been less than on the level vis a vis game issues.

Still not seeing how he can track whether someone got stomped based on just a forum post that oftentimes mentions no dates, let alone times.

[w0rm]

Elandyll, on 29 January 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Mmmh, aside from admitting that he knows that premades have an advantage and that they are still working on ELO, I do not see anything new. He doesn't even say they are considering preventing the sync drops, which is the worst thing about this.
No mention of matching premade vs premade systematically either.

He also states that pretty much everyone that cries about being stomped didn't meet a 4 man premade.

[Bfvmg]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 December 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

You see, one thing has stuck in my craw from the start about all this "PUGGY v PREMIE" qq-ing.
You have the PUGnation crying that they can't win because they keep getting stomped by Pre-Mades. And so PGI needs to bend over to their demands, or they will crash and burn since the vast majority of players, and hence, potential income is from casual PUGs.

Well the problem is BOTH statements cannot be true.
SO WHICH IS IT?

Dude, quite thinking and making so much sense...its NOT authorized!

Really, I salute you Bishop! /s/

QuantumButler, on 02 December 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

You obviously haven't kept up with the news, the new group of scapegoats ruining the game is us in Kong, we're apparently the source of all the woe in this game ever.

Well crud, I though BBK was the cause of all the woes. There goes my paradigm...

Edited by Bfvmg, 29 January 2013 - 10:24 AM.