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[Andross Deverow]

Well, the OP is correct. There are many many people out there using timing mods or whatnot to keep thier precious UAC5's from jamming during the rapid fire sequence. Im thinking thay arent actually modifying the gam e per say just the equipment they use such as their mouse/keyboard or whatnot. Which I dont know for sure but I would say isnt against any rules as it has nothing to do with the code of the game or whatnot. In fact I have seen it posted on these forums, people bragging about firing 600 or so rounds and jamming only 7-10 times just by setting up their mouse to rapid fire or whatnot.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

[MWHawke]

King Arthur IV, on 15 January 2013 - 03:17 AM, said:

i just call that australia.



btw thats my home

I call that Malaysia..

Bad Karma 308, on 15 January 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Well, I made the mistake of bringing in a bit too much proof that the aimbotters in MWO are out there and my post got moderated into oblivion. So I'll try to do a summation without blowing past the Posting Etiquette again. My apologies Egomane.

When I ran dedicated and ranked servers battlefield servers I came to loath the aimbotters and hacker communities. They kill off servers so quickly that it can take days to get them repopulated again. Running those servers can rack up quite a bit of money, especially for larger more capable ones, so it is an investment you have to keep close tabs on. Over time I got really good at ferreting them out and submitting the evidence to up Punk Buster.


So I'm here to tell you they are here in MWO.
I've already found several communities pushing their aimbots and hacks for MWO. The really stupid ones are using the same screen names from MWO in the hacker community, even posting screenshots and blabbing about how great they are. Some even have the audacity to come in here and post on this forum. I keep a pen and paper handy when I see a name from the aimbotter world for when I see them in game.

I've been trying to get some incriminating screenshots. but I haven't yet quite figured out a way to correlate them to the individual hacks but I'm slowly getting there. Can't wait to turn a few of these guys into PGI.


So those of you who are saying they aren't there, you're wrong.

They could also be jealous folk who are trying to make real players look bad as those forums do not control the names they are posting under.

Sayyid, on 15 January 2013 - 06:33 AM, said:

Because it makes you harder to be hit.

Personally, I'd rather play without lag than with lag.

[Ghogiel]

At the start of a match, I saw an atlas on my team out run everyone from the base to over the caldera. I was only going just over 70kph myself, but the thing would have been hitting something over 80kph judging by how much it outpaced me. I mentioned it in chat..

Probably a bug though as the player DC'd before he went over the hill. Then the enemy team was like woah? that's a fast atlas.

[Sayyid]

MWHawke, on 15 January 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Personally, I'd rather play without lag than with lag.

So would I. But with so many bad programmers taking the lazy way out instead of making a great many hit calculations SERVER SIDE or timestamping the packets so that they are processed in the correct order. Instead of the current system which is client side calculations. Which is easily exploited and often hacked.

[Bad Karma 308]

Andross Deverow, on 15 January 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

Correct me if I am wrong.

There are several MWo aimbotting and hacking tools available for sale. Judging by the forums from those sites,(and my rough impression of such) your talking numbers approaching the 500+ mark. The thing is that the tool itself is configured to be subtle and not easily noticeable.

One of the biggest tell tales that I've gathered so far from watching their braggart "videos" is when a player is able to place successive rounds in the same part of the chassis without very little damage to the component(s) next to it, all in the middle of a swirling firefight and shooting from extreme angles. And they tend to do that consistently time and time again.


You have been corrected....

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 15 January 2013 - 06:57 AM.

[Andross Deverow]

Bad Karma 308, on 15 January 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

There are several MWo aimbotting and hacking tools available for sale. Judging by the forums from those sites,(and my rough impression of such) your talking numbers approaching the 500+ mark. The thing is that the tool itself is configured to be subtle and not easily noticeable.

One of the biggest tell tales that I've gathered so far from watching their braggart "videos" is when a player is able to place successive rounds in the same part of the chassis without very little damage to the component(s) next to it, all in the middle of a swirling firefight and shooting from extreme angles. And they tend to do that consistently time and time again.


You have been corrected....

Ok, but I was referring to the macro's being used as concerning UAC5 jamming only.. Lol, not the aimbots or whatever youre talking about.



Regards

[Henchman 24]

Syllogy, on 09 January 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

Sorry, but I have to take this with a grain of salt since I've never seen anything to the extent that you claim.

Video evidence would help your case.

A 15 second Google search on Cryengine and exploits/hacks might color your vision with a little more insight. Just because you haven't seen it, does not mean someone isn't using it. Or that PGI hasn't already laid the hammer down on those using something similar.

We already have folks using macros to get around mechanics designed to make you do more on purpose, that's an arguable exploit(hopefully they figure out how to negate this).

What exactly makes you think that A: this game is in-exploitable? and B: this engine is anywhere near secure? C: lazy players around here won't use them if they do exist?

Yeah, I've seen some questionable things go down, but I could never pin it, as up until the last patch FRAPS would almost always crash my client, and I got sick of worrying about cheaters when my client crashes/bugs more than they possibly cheat.

[Havyek]

Sayyid, on 15 January 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

So would I. But with so many bad programmers taking the lazy way out instead of making a great many hit calculations SERVER SIDE or timestamping the packets so that they are processed in the correct order. Instead of the current system which is client side calculations. Which is easily exploited and often hacked.

Calculations are done SERVER SIDE. This is why there are firing delays on projectile weapons as there is a delay between when the client says they fire, and the server says "I received your request to fire, FIRING!".

Try again.

[Serapth]

Andross Deverow, on 15 January 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

Ok, but I was referring to the macro's being used as concerning UAC5 jamming only.. Lol, not the aimbots or whatever youre talking about.



Regards

How can a macro be used with an UAC5, when the UAC5 is bugged and often jams after a single shot anyways? The rules for the UAC5 from TT aren't even being followed... it appears the be simply rolling a die each time you press the trigger and going "yep jammed" or "Nope, good". That's it.

No macro in the world is going to fix that.

[Rogallaig]

Not sure about aimbots, but I have seen some questionable mech behaviors while spectating. The first 500 matches I forced myself to spectate my teammates after I died in order to pick up some pointers, and I definitely saw some questionable behaviour that could have been scripted bots.

In one case in particular, I saw an Awesome slowly walk (like half-speed) while making random turns (sometimes into walls). The whole time he would occasionally switch targets and shoot his single medium laser, while never firing his LRMs even though the target was outside of med. laser range but inside of LRM range. He eventually wandered off the map edge at the same slow steady pace. Unfortunately I was new and didn't screenshot it.

In another case, there was a pair of similarly-named users who immediately disconnected from matches, sometimes before it even started. I can't remember the names (and wouldn't post them if I did), but it was obvious they were together, like "coffeemaster" and "coffeeslave". I assumed he was farming CBills, but it pissed me off that he was hurting his teammates in the process.

So yeah, I think bots exist.

[Sayyid]

BDU Havoc, on 15 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Calculations are done SERVER SIDE. This is why there are firing delays on projectile weapons as there is a delay between when the client says they fire, and the server says "I received your request to fire, FIRING!".

Try again.

No you are right, I am getting confused with PS2. Sorry, SOE is the only one being THAT lazy.

[Kraven Kor]

Bad Karma 308, on 15 January 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

Well, I made the mistake of bringing in a bit too much proof that the aimbotters in MWO are out there and my post got moderated into oblivion. So I'll try to do a summation without blowing past the Posting Etiquette again. My apologies Egomane.

When I ran dedicated and ranked servers battlefield servers I came to loath the aimbotters and hacker communities. They kill off servers so quickly that it can take days to get them repopulated again. Running those servers can rack up quite a bit of money, especially for larger more capable ones, so it is an investment you have to keep close tabs on. Over time I got really good at ferreting them out and submitting the evidence to up Punk Buster.


So I'm here to tell you they are here in MWO.
I've already found several communities pushing their aimbots and hacks for MWO. The really stupid ones are using the same screen names from MWO in the hacker community, even posting screenshots and blabbing about how great they are. Some even have the audacity to come in here and post on this forum. I keep a pen and paper handy when I see a name from the aimbotter world for when I see them in game.

I've been trying to get some incriminating screenshots. but I haven't yet quite figured out a way to correlate them to the individual hacks but I'm slowly getting there. Can't wait to turn a few of these guys into PGI.


So those of you who are saying they aren't there, you're wrong.

You, sir, need to start an external site with the sole goal of identifying these players and getting them banned. Tracking when they are reported, how many times they are reported, collecting all evidence (screenshots and fraps only) and links to sites, etc. Then PGI can't silence you or call it "name and shame."

[MWHawke]

Rogallaig, on 15 January 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Not sure about aimbots, but I have seen some questionable mech behaviors while spectating. The first 500 matches I forced myself to spectate my teammates after I died in order to pick up some pointers, and I definitely saw some questionable behaviour that could have been scripted bots.

In another case, there was a pair of similarly-named users who immediately disconnected from matches, sometimes before it even started. I can't remember the names (and wouldn't post them if I did), but it was obvious they were together, like "coffeemaster" and "coffeeslave". I assumed he was farming CBills, but it pissed me off that he was hurting his teammates in the process.

So yeah, I think bots exist.

Most likely they both belong to the same person who has 2 pcs setup side by side farming CB?

[Abstrusity]

I've watched people turn around as if they had ESP.
But that can be easily explained away, because if you played FPS for over a decade like some of us did, you know it's called spatial awareness. They can hear the thud of your footsteps, the sound of your weapons firing, the probably vector you fired from if you did damage. I'm sorry, OP, but I don't think you know what a skilled player can do.

[Kraven Kor]

Serapth, on 15 January 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

How can a macro be used with an UAC5, when the UAC5 is bugged and often jams after a single shot anyways? The rules for the UAC5 from TT aren't even being followed... it appears the be simply rolling a die each time you press the trigger and going "yep jammed" or "Nope, good". That's it.

No macro in the world is going to fix that.

The general idea of the macro for the UAC/5 is to get maximum rate of fire without double-tapping - it does not prevent them from ever jamming, just makes it much less likely while ensuring you are firing at precisely the right moment for max rate of fire.

Macros really aren't "cheats" in my mind, unless it is like the EVE Online "macros" which can entirely control a ship (or 10...)

[Serapth]

[Redacted]

They exist, but fortunately I dont think they are that common.

Edited by Egomane, 15 January 2013 - 08:16 AM.
Redacted a CoC infringement

[Baltasar]

Rogallaig, on 15 January 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Not sure about aimbots, but I have seen some questionable mech behaviors while spectating. The first 500 matches I forced myself to spectate my teammates after I died in order to pick up some pointers, and I definitely saw some questionable behaviour that could have been scripted bots.

In one case in particular, I saw an Awesome slowly walk (like half-speed) while making random turns (sometimes into walls). The whole time he would occasionally switch targets and shoot his single medium laser, while never firing his LRMs even though the target was outside of med. laser range but inside of LRM range. He eventually wandered off the map edge at the same slow steady pace. Unfortunately I was new and didn't screenshot it.

In another case, there was a pair of similarly-named users who immediately disconnected from matches, sometimes before it even started. I can't remember the names (and wouldn't post them if I did), but it was obvious they were together, like "coffeemaster" and "coffeeslave". I assumed he was farming CBills, but it pissed me off that he was hurting his teammates in the process.

So yeah, I think bots exist.

This is by far the most questionable action I have seen while playing. I don't know if they are using a program are just terrible players but I see this most often if I am capping the enemy base and they have, what appears to be, a ctd mech their. I'll fire a volley into a leg and then the mech starts moving in the slow random pattern trying to lock onto whatever is near and firing its weapons (sometimes alphas or just a single weapon). Like I said I don't know if its just a bad player with a bug (I can recall one time when a member of my unit got a bug where he couldn't moved and someone grazed him with fire and then he could) or if its scripted movement (don't know how they would accomplish that. I'm not a computer techi person).

It seems to me that its more scripted because the movement and firing just seems...off...but then again this is all pretty anecdotal on my part. I'll have to upgrade my equipment a little bit and maybe start taking videos and see if I can catch some of this happening.

[Bad Karma 308]

Kraven Kor, on 15 January 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

You, sir, need to start an external site with the sole goal of identifying these players and getting them banned. Tracking when they are reported, how many times they are reported, collecting all evidence (screenshots and fraps only) and links to sites, etc. Then PGI can't silence you or call it "name and shame."

I can do it but only in short burst of time, the process just burns out my initiative rather quickly.

But I would love to , however it is a lot of work. It takes numerous people with quite a bit more OCD then what I have. To gather enough damning evidence involves just as much luck as it does legwork & time.

The question you have to ask yourself is; "Would PGI listen?"


I've got all the websites and resources necessary to construct such a site, just need people willing to do the dirty work of sifting the data intake.


P.S. I don't consider my post wipe as being silenced, when I looked back at what I wrote I realized I had just delivered a big juicy steak to tempt anyone who might be even remotely inclined to cheat. Thereby fueling the fire we're already complaining about. This subject really get's my blood boiling, and I posted without considering exactly what I had written. Egomane did the right thing and removed it.

I've loved the MW franchise since I first got into it on the PC in the 90's. So I readily paid for my LF package. As a thank you gesture, I also paid for the 25+ employees in my firm to get LF packages as well. So I consider myself an investor in MWo, and being an investor, I want it to not only succeed but to thrive. However, if they are not vigorously kept out, nothing will kill this investment quite like hackers once they arrive in any great numbers.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 15 January 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[Ozric]

I've been wondering if there's any way hack could somehow effect other peoples games? I have only had a couple of instances where I felt someone was acting suspiciously, but every time I've had to take down somebodies name I'd CTD before the match end. I rarely crash these days you see, lots of yellow/black screen, but no CTD. and the fact that each time I do has been proceeded by a match with someone with insanely good aim gets my spider sense a-tingling.

Oh dear, it seems my tin foil hat has fallen off!

[Thorqemada]

Abstrusity, on 15 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

I've watched people turn around as if they had ESP.
But that can be easily explained away, because if you played FPS for over a decade like some of us did, you know it's called spatial awareness. They can hear the thud of your footsteps, the sound of your weapons firing, the probably vector you fired from if you did damage. I'm sorry, OP, but I don't think you know what a skilled player can do.

I had a friend who is into the FPS games - he is weaksauce and allways cheats.
He had something that located enemy players using the sound of their footsteps...