Serapth, on 27 January 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:
This comes down to the fundamental problem... how much of an advantage a premade has. Some people are dismissive of it, some people comically/delusionally so ( we are only ever drunk and dont talk, coordinate or know what mechs each other have.... ).
In the current game, without any ELO, its premade that is the biggest advantage, not voip. Guaranteeing the composition of 50% of your team is a massive advantage. To use the football analogy, its the equivalent of a professional team playing against a bunch of people just thrown together, some of whom have never played the game before.
The ability to guarantee an ECM mech, or LRM boat, a tagger, etc... on your team cant be overlooked either.
Then of course, there is VOIP.
Thing is, nobody is saying premades shouldn't play this way, or at least the majority arent. Simply that they should be balanced on each side.
Actually unless we are dropping in an 8 vs 8 match we rarely if ever run with minmax setups, when we drop in 4 man or less its all about having fun, so we take our favour mechs, or mechs we need to level up. Sorry but there is little or no reason to take specialised lances to anything other than 8 man matches.
MischiefSC, on 27 January 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:
@Bluescuba;
Here's a different analogy for you:
Suppose Everyone who comes to a party free food if they listen to your sales pitch. The only stipulation is that everyone who comes and has the free food from the banquet table has to eat some of the glazed ham. It may be delicious, but some people are Jewish, vegetarians, allergic, or just don't like ham. Telling them that the ham is, in fact, delicious does not change the nature of their situation and it also means that your 'free food' offer is contingent on people eating the ham.
You're trying to portray this as some people just inexplicably don't want to use teamspeak. Perhaps for a tiny minority that's true, for others they have their own reason. They don't want it, don't enjoy it, can't use it, whatever. They have their own reason for not wanting to use it which is irrelevant to the discussion.
The reality is that less than 25% of the time players are using teamspeak or dropping in premades. When balancing that needs taken into consideration. The fact that teamspeak provides some kind of advantage isn't really in dispute. Perhaps how much of an advantage is in dispute, but that it is an advantage is not.
Given that, where is the logic not to either put premades vs premades or if there are not enough of them to fill their own queue split them among teams?
Sorry, in you analogy you are replace something that has no real negative issues with something that does for religious or other reasons. That is not a like for like comparison.
There is nothing in any religion that stop you from using teamspeak, and neither is there anything from a purely moral perspective either. No it is a pure choice whether you use it or not. Your choice may be effected by other external considerations. But those considerations are your own, nothing to do with the game or the other players of the game. Maybe you can't talk because your wife would get mad, what does that have to do with me. More over, just because that external consideration motivates you not to choose to use TS, what right does that give to you to dictate that other people should also not use TS.
Really? Are things only fair when they are in your favour?
Edited by Bluescuba, 27 January 2013 - 10:24 AM.
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