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[neviu]

Edited by neviu, 28 April 2013 - 12:57 PM.

[Warge]

Koreanese, on 28 April 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

so am I EXPLOITING the system?

What's your medium mech's config in this tournament?

Edited by Warge, 28 April 2013 - 02:00 PM.

[Koreanese]

4 machineguns and a tag on cicada

[Hauser]

Warge, on 28 April 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

What's your medium mech config in this tournament?

He's got a 4P, 9mlas, Std260, 18 DHS and what ever upgrades you need to make it work.

Bog standard really.

Edited by Hauser, 28 April 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Warge]

Hauser, on 28 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

He's got a 4P, 9mlas, Std260, 18 DHS and what ever upgrades you need to make it work.

And players alow him to get all this damage on battlefield? Wanna see this with my own eyes...

Koreanese, on 28 April 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

4 machineguns and a tag on cicada

The best dd build! I believe you, man.

[Purplefluffybunny]

So yeah, I was chatting to a few others on another set of forums, guys that are also pulling huge scores in the heavy bracket. Again, I discovered many using the CTX-3D 3*PPC build. I really hope PGI gives us a breakdown of the mech builds for these top 'scorers'. I really want to see some diversity in these successful builds.

[151st Light Horse Regiment]

Sorry, what the hell is ELO?

[neviu]

151st Light Horse Regiment, on 28 April 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Sorry, what the hell is ELO?

something you are terrible at,

the crying man posted again,

[TexAce]

Here's a twitch that shows how they are doing it: by abusing the system!


[redacted]

Edited by miSs, 28 April 2013 - 06:07 PM.
name and shame policy

[Ozric]

Great vid, lol.

[Purplefluffybunny]

TexAss, on 28 April 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Here's a twitch that shows how they are doing it: by abusing the system!


[redacted]

Yeah, I have noted the same behaviour. On day one I advised people to do this. It is easier to do when you drop as an 8. You can alternate who gets to max out each round.

[DEN_Ninja]

Koreanese, on 28 April 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

4 machineguns and a tag on cicada

Koreanese I've played with you. I know you are good. There are however other players out there that do indeed game the system.

For example [Redacted]Reputable Player[Redacted] a respectable NGNG Viewer and frequenter of the NGNG TS3 caught [Redacted] And 4 other mechs sitting around him while he stripped a mech for a score over 1k points.

When someone in chat says "let me get kills" I tend to do my best to take screenshots and 30 seconds of fraps to record evidence of stupidity. Some people work hard to get on those boards. There are those who don't

Edited by Tichorius Davion, 28 April 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[Dishevel]

Ph30nix, on 27 April 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

top scores are over 1000 for every bracket, going by the scoring system to get to where most people are would require an average of almost 200 points a game to pull this off you would need

8 kills
0 assists (since you killed everything)
500+ damage
0 team damage (or not enough to take you under 500 damage done)
win
survive


the chances of pulling off 8 kills in one match is virtually impossible unless your team sets them up for you and even then its tough to make it happen.


So wtf is going on here? i highly doubt everyone is pulling 1000+ damage a match i mean the assualts and a few heavies maybe but how the f would the lights be pulling this off? best i usualy manage in my Death knell is 500-600 and thats in a really good match.

I just started running lights before General Discussion forum took an arrow to the knee.
So anyway I am not very good at them. Went with the Jenner chassis. I have almost all the basics now but a few games back I did what I thought was pretty good and even survived the match.
Looked at the score board and I was a little over 700 damage and had 3 kills.
I am not sure how I did it. Have not done it again since. It was a game before this latest tournament.
So I guess that rarely a good light pilot can hit 1000 damage.
Not sure how he could do it 5 times in a weekend though.

[Lucky 7]

Oh come on... I had such a great time with this event and my mediums :-).
Why is the forum full of this anger just because some people cheat?

Lets hope PGI sorts this out and lets enjoy the fight for the top ten boards :-).

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

I've seen some of the leaders in a few matches this weekend, and their games were all legit (I've also seen the video, so I'm not pretending to be naive about some people exploiting the system). I'm amazed by the great players, and ashamed for the cheaters.

I'm having a great time just seeing where I rank in the greater scheme of things ... I wish they would post the total number of participants in each weight class.

[Kiiyor]

Mason Grimm, on 27 April 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

There has been a fair bit of "gaming the system" going on in the tournament and several individuals have been caught on video while utilizing sync drops with friends who stand there and let them pick them apart and then kill them. I know there was an individual high up on one of the boards didn't realize he was being broadcast on Twitch last night during his working the system.

While it IS possible to pull 1000 in a match with a Jenner it is extremely unlikely without some outside aid. People can post screen shots until they are blue in the face but until I see the actual FRAPS of the entire match plus the ending score board I will simply believe that those are numbers acquired by nefarious means.

QFT. While there are some spectacularly skilled pilots getting about, early days in the tournament I saw quite a few matches with prominent names who had 3-4 afk or DCs opposing them. Same names in a few matches. Maybe we should be sending screenshots to the devs. I'm a bit leery of falling victim to my own hubris though; while flattering to be called a cheater, it would suck if you weren't.

[Xenroth]

Guys stop hating about Koreanese, i have played with him and against him he killed me i killed him. He is an awesome pilot with good aim and he does it all on his own without syncdroping! Wish i could say this from everyone in the top 5 overall

[White Bear 84]

Koreanese, on 27 April 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

it happens

1300 damage in a jenner just happens? U mad bro!!

I personally dont know about lights - but Koreanese has made some clear points regarding the comp. I played a hell of a lot of games the other night and it was pretty tough but managed to get one that was 6 kills, 2 assists and 900 damage in my dual gauss jager. The truth is, that notions of sync dropping and abusing the system aside high scores are possible, they just take a hell of a lot of work and a decent level of skill.

Fingers can be pointed and accusations made, but not a lot can be done unless there is hard evidence as mentioned e.g. videos etc. Now my personal opinion is that Koreanese, you have some ace scores there - but unless i have actual proof i certainly wont pass judgement since i know first hand high scores are possible to achieve and i know the volume of games needed to get those lucky breaks! Heck, it took me a whole day to get that score!! Managed to finish 22nd after a whole day. Most matches were around 4 kills 3 assists and 700 damage..

..and assuming the scores are legit, which seems to be backed up by first hand accounts, id say hats off to you for pulling it off!!

Edited by White Bear 84, 29 April 2013 - 02:17 AM.

[TexAce]

Mason Grimm, on 27 April 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

There has been a fair bit of "gaming the system" going on in the tournament and several individuals have been caught on video while utilizing sync drops with friends who stand there and let them pick them apart and then kill them. I know there was an individual high up on one of the boards didn't realize he was being broadcast on Twitch last night during his working the system.

While it IS possible to pull 1000 in a match with a Jenner it is extremely unlikely without some outside aid. People can post screen shots until they are blue in the face but until I see the actual FRAPS of the entire match plus the ending score board I will simply believe that those are numbers acquired by nefarious means.

There IS a FRAPS of a light pilot who gamed the system.
But when I posted it it was removed because of name and shame! Bullcrap!

Edited by TexAss, 29 April 2013 - 02:20 AM.

[Hauser]

Warge, on 28 April 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

And players alow him to get all this damage on battlefield? Wanna see this with my own eyes...

Not when I see him.

But it doesn't matter really. Right now the tournament is just grinding for miracle matches where you can get 5+ kills and 450+ damage. You have to play very aggressive so get those scores so it's often a hit or miss. Personally I don't have the time to grind that much so I'm happy knowing that my average games are better then this. I've only just been pushed out of the overall top 50 while I'm around the 100's on the daily scores.

Panda Vinson explained it a bit better though.

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 April 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Koreanese, on 28 April 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

that's what makes this competition so hard though. lot of games I play, its either super stomp or super getting stomped. its EXTREMLY hard to find games where your going to have miracle matches to get you to the top. all the top leaderboards knows this. only way to get around this is simple. play a lot. also , to get such high scores, I play very aggressively in the games. almost looks like im that ****** pug that goes off and gets killed. so its like im throwing it all down on the table or get nothing.

Yeah I am seeing this too. The new tournament format is not bad, but in an attempt to remove the grind of the first tourney, the same thing is happening now, the grind for 5 epic games per day. For this tourney it is even more interesting. I'm unable to even get the 5 matches a day in more than 1 class, and have been sticking to my spider for lights to see how it comes out at the end of tourney just playing casually same way I do day to day.

Basically just becomes exactly what Koreanese said, a grind & some luck to nab those top epic scores.

various issues, no damage taken consideration. no capping consideration. no shot efficiency / headshots etc consideration. No tonnage/firepower consideration, im handicapping myself in a spider simply because I cant touch the DPS of a raven 3L in example. Nevermind that unless im hitting from behind or the head stripping stuff costs me way to much time and heat to really help my team.

So far the best match has been a 730dmg score with 3 kills 4 assists. pretty epic stuff, and when running a spider and 1 highlander alpha can be your end, its about 50% skill and 50% pure luck, teammates stripping stuff but you getting their kills, a shoulder/arm pops off through luck, you steal some dudes kill etc.

This tournament has been AWESOME. best one so far, and it rocks to see everything but LRM mechs out there recently (and a bit too much PPC), but still ive been impressed with the gameplay and the huge variety out there on the field.

Hopefully all this feedback will help PGI improve scoring, the more constructive you ugys are, the more it'll help the future game. Remember that these stats will also help for crunching CW stuff too most likely.