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[Victor Morson]

I'd describe playing MW:O right now as playing a great game on a community server with really crappy mods in other games.

"*Groan* Another ghost heat modded server with 3PV? Screw this! -Disconnect-"

The core game is good because it's copied from a franchise that paved the way. Everything they've done on top of that has been a disaster.

[Vercinaigh]

Caviel, on 17 September 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

User scores mean little without comparison to the Critics score. User reviews IMO tend to be low in general due to reasons outside of an honest game review being included, and seeing so many zero scores just underlines that point.

I'd give the game a 7.5/10 as it sits right now. Good graphics/sound, fun gameplay elements, some balance issues/bugs, serious UI re-work needed, although the more important negative aspect is not much longevity or community with the current iteration once you get the mechs you are interested in fully unlocked. It's not a surprise, certainly shouldn't be to PGI/IGP, but when there isn't even a concept of a "guild" yet, that's going to be a factor with reviews. Granted we're getting lots of these things in the next series of patches, although the reviews and first impressions for some are happening now.

MW:O is still a good game, and if you were to pick up the game right now without having read anything prior or been in the beta, you'd think so too. Not the greatest game of all time, but still pretty damn good. It's all the early access knowledge that clouds peoples thoughts about where the game sits right now and where they think it should be. People that were expecting a huge change between the game on the 16th and the game today just had flat out unrealistic expectations.


We'll see what sort of backlash happens when (not if) some plans change with Star Citizen.

Critic reviews are often monetarily biased, and often reviewed by someone who hasn't even played the game, just reads off the brochure. 75% of the time a critic review is not worth reading, and that is often the case of most critics in most fields, to be fair. People who actually play the game more than once or twice in a week usually have a much better idea of the state of the game they play ;P

[8RoundsRapid]

I gave it 4/10. And i based that on similarity/faithfulness to the Battletech IP, overall gameplay, state of the game, speed of development, and developer professionalism/ethics.

[KharnZor]

Alois Hammer, on 17 September 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

...just like the Hopeless Fanbois™ giving it a 10.

Indeed. The game as it stands should get barely a 5 at most. maybe even a 4

[KhanHeir]

Protection, on 17 September 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

Although this may be true, you can see a clear difference between the 0's and the 10's.

The 10's start their review by cry about a community - which gets your review removed as well as saying things like " its great " with no follow up as to why.

The negative reviews specifically go into detail on why its bad and give instances it can be applied.

Heck I've seen one guy post the same 10/10 score five times with a different statement.

[Victor Morson]

Also for anyone arguing 10/0, I'd like to point out this is why most sites went to a Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down system and frankly Metacritic should too.

It's just too hard to really define what makes a 10 versus a 5 clearly or objectively; even in professional reviews, this kind of rating system is very bad. I mean, look at most shovelware movie tie-ins: They get like 5s and 6s in magazines. Magazines that literally spend the entire article talking about how crappy they are.

My point is the problem is not unique to MW:O's launch.

[Shakespeare]

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

[Shumabot]

Shakespeare, on 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

In fairness, the community is extremely toxic and the game is awful. The perception people are going to get from the reviews is pretty accurate.

Edited by Shumabot, 17 September 2013 - 02:13 PM.

[FLes]

Shakespeare, on 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

What makes you think we want people to like this game? (retorical question)

[Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh]

I like how Neko edited the OP

Not constructive?

Get a life Neko, that'd be constructive

[Sean von Steinike]

Shakespeare, on 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

Why do you care? Only the silent majority matter, not what anyone says on the forums or critic sites. That's what PGI's stance has been.

[Voivode]

IqfishLP, on 17 September 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Did you ever went to a restaurant and got a half cooked meal?

I dont think so.

Did you ever see any "AAA" Game out there with a freakin community created video?

I dont think so.

Did GTA V launch and Rockstar told you "Guys, just wait till next year for the main features we are advertising with!"

I really really dont think so.

Greetings.

All of those are things you are obliged to pay for. At no point were you required to pay for this. You may have, but playing the game never had a tacit acknowledgement that money was going to change hands. Let me fix these examples for you.


Have you ever thrown a fit after someone made a free meal for you and it wasn't as good as you wanted it to be?

You might be a goon then.

Have you ever tried to sabotage someones livelihood because they didn't read something you posted on their Facebook page?

You might be a goon then.

Have you ever unfavorably compared your friends car to a Maserati while he was giving you a free ride in it?

You might be a goon then.

Edited by Voivode, 17 September 2013 - 02:16 PM.

[Runenstahl]

8RoundsRapid, on 17 September 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

I gave it 4/10. And i based that on similarity/faithfulness to the Battletech IP, overall gameplay, state of the game, speed of development, and developer professionalism/ethics.

Finally we know how to rate a product !

Faithfulyness to Battletech: 0 / 10 (no unseen mechs and my favorite mech isn't in !)

Overall gameplay: 0 / 10 (other people kill me on a regular basis. That sucks.)

State of the game: 0 / 10 (sometimes I get blue trees in testing grounds. Shame on you !)

Speed of development: 0 / 10 (come on, I want ALL mechs from ALL manuals and a map editor at least a year ago !)

Developer Professionalism: 0 / 10 (professionals would have foreseen that the community consists of ungrateful haters and NOT opened up the game to anyone before final release).

Developer Ethics: 0 / 10 (because 3rd PV and consumables totally ruined gameplay as can be easily seen by EVERYONE using it. There's not a single match in which I don't get killed by someone spotting me with 3rd PV and then killing me with way overpowered air and/or artillery strikes !)

Thanks... I feel enlightened already

[Shakespeare]

Stinkeye, on 17 September 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

One other thing about the internet is generally you will only have extreme opinions. No one gets up and says I have indifferent/measured thoughts and I wish to share my reasonable views with others! Lucky I have a forum such as Metacritic to share my wisdom! You get two kinds of views in comments sections tinfoil hats and Kool-Aid drinkers sadly.

I wouldn't say that nobody makes attempts at actual, human conversation. But it DOES get drowned out, and the longer you're here, the less you bother. It's like having coffee with a few new friends while a gang of escaped mental patients runs around trashing the place and screaming about conspiracies. Eventually you just have to go elsewhere.

Only now the mental patients have a new billboard right in front of the shop that they can drool on, in order to 'save others' from the hell that is MWO. Yeah, it's totally a 0/10 guys - Duke Nukem Forever, E.T., and MWO. If only we'd known.

[New Day]

Shakespeare, on 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

Better to give straight 10s to say to PGI: You guys are doing a great job. We love GH, 3PV etc., keep it up.

It works both ways.

[KhanHeir]

Shakespeare, on 17 September 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Great job forumwarriors! Glad to see so much reasonable feedback on metacritic!


.... oh wait, no, it's just more yelling. Way to **** on the game because you didn't get your way, in addition to making the community as a whole look toxic. I'm sure we'll get LOTS of new people in that way.

"If I can't get what I want, then NOBODY does!"

Hush little baby don't you squeal,
Piggys gonna make you a new grabdeal,



oh and those kinds of reviews get removed, enjoy.

[Voivode]

HAHAHAHAHA! I just read a review that claimed there was a "Stalinist approach" to the forums that doesn't allow criticism. For real? These forums are solid whining about the game!

[Dr B00t]

Argann, on 17 September 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

Wow, way to discourage others from playing this game (Jerks). No revenue means no development. Thanks for ruining my game.

MWO - "A community of **** heads"

(Not trolling, just annoyed at the forums, I think I will take a break from posting)

You people make me ill.

truth hurts, don't it?

[8RoundsRapid]

Runenstahl, on 17 September 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Finally we know how to rate a product !

Faithfulyness to Battletech: 0 / 10 (no unseen mechs and my favorite mech isn't in !)

Overall gameplay: 0 / 10 (other people kill me on a regular basis. That sucks.)

State of the game: 0 / 10 (sometimes I get blue trees in testing grounds. Shame on you !)

Speed of development: 0 / 10 (come on, I want ALL mechs from ALL manuals and a map editor at least a year ago !)

Developer Professionalism: 0 / 10 (professionals would have foreseen that the community consists of ungrateful haters and NOT opened up the game to anyone before final release).

Developer Ethics: 0 / 10 (because 3rd PV and consumables totally ruined gameplay as can be easily seen by EVERYONE using it. There's not a single match in which I don't get killed by someone spotting me with 3rd PV and then killing me with way overpowered air and/or artillery strikes !)

Thanks... I feel enlightened already

I could care less if you feel enlightened or not. I gave the game an honest review, from my perspective, based on the criteria I listed, which are the same criteria I use to judge any game I play. Take it or leave it.

I stated quite plainly way back in closed beta and the opening weeks of open beta, that I would reserve judgement until launch and/or CW was instituted. Launch is here, the game has gotten worse, not better, and I reviewed it.

I'm sorry if you feel threatened by that, or if you think I reached my judgement in error. You are free to review the game yourself, if you so choose. I will guess that you will give the game a 10/10?

Edited by 8RoundsRapid, 17 September 2013 - 02:25 PM.

[KhanHeir]

Dr B00t, on 17 September 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

truth hurts, don't it?

What happens when he realizes there are more unhappy people on the island than expected? like over half the playerbase?