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[PEEFsmash]

akpavker, on 23 September 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

What Are the Symptoms of Denial?

Anger

• One of the symptoms of denial is inappropriate anger, which can turn to rage.

Depression

• Feelings of worthlessness and lack of confidence result when denial go on for any length of time.

etc





etc
etc

I have placed in the top 12 of 4 straight Light Leaderboard Challenges, and the first was after only playing for a month. My placings were 12th, 8th, 3rd, and 2nd. In each of these leaderboard challenges, I didn't play for at least one entire day, and in each challenge I played a different build. I have played in 100% of my units competitive tournament matches since I joined and my role has continued to grow. In that time we have gone 17-1 in sets, and the team we lost against, we later 4-0ed them in the Grand Finals of the tournament to win the whole thing.

I am very well-positioned to discuss top-level play and the opinions of top-level players.
Honestly now, what do you think I have to deny?

Edited by PEEFsmash, 23 September 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[akpavker]

PEEFsmash, on 23 September 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

I have placed in the top 12 of 4 straight Light Leaderboard Challenges, and the first was after only playing for a month. My placings were 12th, 8th, 3rd, and 2nd. In each of these leaderboard challenges, I didn't play for at least one entire day, and in each challenge I played a different build. I have played in 100% of my units competitive tournament matches since I joined and my role has continued to grow. In that time we have gone 17-1 in sets, and the team we lost against, we later 4-0ed them in the Grand Finals of the tournament to win the whole thing.

I am very well-positioned to discuss top-level play and the opinions of top-level players.
Honestly now, what do you think I have to deny?

Anger

• One of the symptoms of denial is inappropriate anger, which can turn to rage.

Immaturity

• Denial often is expressed through immature behavior, which can leave a person incapable of dealing with life's responsibilities.

i think these two examples describe you best.

[PEEFsmash]

akpavker, on 23 September 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

Anger

• One of the symptoms of denial is inappropriate anger, which can turn to rage.

Immaturity

• Denial often is expressed through immature behavior, which can leave a person incapable of dealing with life's responsibilities.

i think these two examples describe you best.

Here is what describes you best:



Novice Internet Armchair Psychologist

• You copy and paste little psuedoscientific or unscientific anecdotes in total ad-hominem attempt to undermine completely legitimate points because you think it makes you look smart on the internet.

Bad

• You aren't good at this game so you have resentment for those that are. I'm sure you know about "sour grapes" right, Mr. Psychologist? How about that impostor syndrome you've got, is it kicking in yet? It must gnaw at you to attempt to participate in a balance discussion forum when you don't participate in the game at a high level.

Edited by PEEFsmash, 23 September 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[akpavker]

PEEFsmash, on 23 September 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Here is what describes you best:



Novice Internet Armchair Psychologist

• You copy and paste little psuedoscientific or unscientific anecdotes in total ad-hominem attempt to undermine completely legitimate points because you think it makes you look smart on the internet.

Bad

• You aren't good at this game so you have resentment for those that are. I'm sure you know about "sour grapes" right, Mr. Psychologist? How about that impostor syndrome you've got, is it kicking in yet? It must gnaw at you to attempt to participate in a balance discussion forum when you don't participate in the game at a high level.

lol......im not the one defending the "easy mode" mech of the month.

[A Man In A Can]

I dunno. I don't seem to be having any issues killing Spiders with my Gauss rifles (of course I miss often but when I do hit...it hurts them a lot). I get lag spikes every now and then which can make it difficult, but then again that's lag.

Spiders are naturally going to be harder to hit due to the nature of the mech shape. They are practically a mech skeleton. But let's not forget they have the least amount of weapon hardpoints of any mech in the game. So in exchange they were also made to be very maneuverable. And a lot of viable builds for the Spider have it mounting the max engine it can carry. This means it's a very thin, fast and maneuverable mech, with jump jets, and very few weapon mounts. Stick a very good light pilot in there, able to run into the enemy force and come out with just a few scratches and you have yourself a big problem if you have a hard time landing your shots in general.

I have though experienced shots just disappearing into thin air with no registration on my client of them hitting terrain. So there still are hit issues in general all across the board which need to be fixed, but overall I think Spiders as they are, are fine.

Edited by CYBRN4CR, 23 September 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[akpavker]

CYBRN4CR, on 23 September 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

I dunno. I don't seem to be having any issues killing Spiders with my Gauss rifles (of course I miss often but when I do hit...it hurts them a lot). I get lag spikes every now and then which can make it difficult, but then again that's lag.

Spiders are naturally going to be harder to hit due to the nature of the mech shape. They are practically a mech skeleton. But let's not forget they have the least amount of weapon hardpoints of any mech in the game. So in exchange they were also made to be very maneuverable. And a lot of viable builds for the Spider have it mounting the max engine it can carry. This means it's a very thin, fast and maneuverable mech, with jump jets, and very few weapon mounts. Stick a very good light pilot in there, able to run into the enemy force and come out with just a few scratches and you have yourself a big problem if you have a hard time landing your shots in general.

I have though experienced shots just disappearing into thin air with no registration on my client of them hitting terrain. So there still are hit issues in general all across the board which need to be fixed, but overall I think Spiders as they are, are fine.

command=25 ton

spider=30 ton

if your theory is corect the command which is smaller should be just as hard or harder to hit. i can kill commando's all day long with ppc's and ballistic weapons. part of what you are saying is correct there are hit issues all across the board but i see spiders geting away with fare more then any other mech at present.

[Panzerkampfwagen IV]

Hey guys, I am PEEFsmash, all I can do is offer sarcastic criticism of other people without offering any solutions myself. I am a top ranked player and the devs should only balance the game to cater to me and my elite entitled group of 3 dozen tryhards, where are my split queues again so I don't have to play with you baddies?

/end transmission

[Panzerkampfwagen IV]

PEEFsmash, on 23 September 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

Here is what describes you best:



Novice Internet Armchair Psychologist

• You copy and paste little psuedoscientific or unscientific anecdotes in total ad-hominem attempt to undermine completely legitimate points because you think it makes you look smart on the internet.

Bad

• You aren't good at this game so you have resentment for those that are. I'm sure you know about "sour grapes" right, Mr. Psychologist? How about that impostor syndrome you've got, is it kicking in yet? It must gnaw at you to attempt to participate in a balance discussion forum when you don't participate in the game at a high level.

Pot, meet kettle.
Or did you just learn all those big words at the University of Indiana?

I don't know what's bigger, your ego or your level of care.

Edited by Asian Tupac, 23 September 2013 - 10:55 PM.

[FenixofBria]

Asian Tupac, on 23 September 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Hey guys, I am PEEFsmash, all I can do is offer sarcastic criticism of other people without offering any solutions myself. I am a top ranked player and the devs should only balance the game to cater to me and my elite entitled group of 3 dozen tryhards, where are my split queues again so I don't have to play with you baddies?

/end transmission

On that note, I hope the e-sports **** never takes off. I'm much more interested in the persistent universe of CW, not inconsequential cage fights. I believe most who first signed up to play and those who helped to fund are mostly interested in the same.

Not saying there can't be e-sports, but that should not be THE game.

[PEEFsmash]

Asian Tupac, on 23 September 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

Pot, meet kettle.
Or did you just learn all those big words at the University of Indiana?

I don't know what's bigger, your ego or your level of care.

First of all, it's Indiana University.

Secondly, let me repost this for ya'll who don't read:

"I have placed in the top 12 of 4 straight Light Leaderboard Challenges, and the first was after only playing for a month. My placings were 12th, 8th, 3rd, and 2nd. In each of these leaderboard challenges, I didn't play for at least one entire day, and in each challenge I played a different build. I have played in 100% of my units competitive tournament matches since I joined and my role has continued to grow. In that time we have gone 17-1 in sets, and the team we lost against, we later 4-0ed them in the Grand Finals of the tournament to win the whole thing.

I am very well-positioned to discuss top-level play and the opinions of top-level players.
Honestly now, what do you think I have to deny?"

[kesuga7]

IV Amen, on 23 September 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

This is the point we all take a five minute silence to remember the demonic 3L flocks of pure death and evil and thank the lord they are banished for ever.

MERCY!
Praise the emperor the return is not of the 3l

Most of the times if i was in a light mech or cicada i sort of gave up trying to fight any raven 3l

heck they killed ANY CHASSIS

Streak splash bug and ****** hitboxes with ecm yo

Praise be to their deaths!

[Training Instructor]

People who love piloting broken spiders make arguments about as convincing as Obama trying to tell us why we should attack Syria.

Cognitive dissonance.

[Kaijin]

akpavker, on 22 September 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

dont have lrm's in every match and not every 1 carries streaks.

I usually have one or both, The problem isn't Spiders so much as getting stuck with a team that doesn't have any light pilots capable of doing their job. Also, drop 1.5 tons of armor or reduce your speed a few KPH so you can stick a BAP into your build. Even if you're not carrying LRMs or SSRMs, ECM Spiders that have their ECM canceled don't live nearly as long.

Outfit a JR7-D with 3 ML, TAG, 2 SSRM2s, a couple of JJ, BAP, Advanced Seismic, Advanced Sensor, and get payback on the evil Spiders. It's very satisfying.

[Mehlan]

Training Instructor, on 24 September 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

People who love piloting broken spiders make arguments about as convincing as Obama trying to tell us why we should attack Syria.

Cognitive dissonance.

opposed to people who whine about 'broken' systems that cannot/will not provide factual supporiting evidence for their claim and believe that opinion equates fact.

[Shakma]

My guess is, that borked hit registration together with the odd scaling of the spider hit boxes make those little buggers a far bigger annoyance than any other light mech. I've had far less problems killing any other light mech compared to a spider. This is especially true when mounting laser weaponary mostly. In most of the matches I'm having, they're the last enemy mech to still be alive, even though they did not shy away from manouvers I couldn't dream of making in my RVN-3L. Let's see how they'll do when PGI eventually gets the broken hit registration straight. A shame though when thinking of mechs that seem to have the opposite problem, being way to easy to get hit like Awesomes etc.

[Alistair Winter]

I just got out of a match where I took out 2 Spiders trying to circle my Ilya Muromets. I was chasing them. They both died by double gauss rifle shots. Honestly, unless I'm playing an SRM boat, I welcome any duel with light mechs. I'll even take on two of them, unless they're JR7-F's with 6 medium lasers each.

People who say light mechs are OP suffer from two conditions, both of which are hard to cure:

• They're not very good at playing light mechs.
  
• They're not very good at playing heavy / assault mechs.

Come at me, bros.

[Nehkrosis]

Mr. Winters, i'll have to jump in here, im afraid.

I too, have slain Spiders with double gauss.
Its a beautiful experience.
I have butchered them with lasers and missiles and other ballistics too.
However, its not all the time, and its not even sometimes.

There absolutely is something wrong with how the HSR affects these mechs. even if that means its how it "appears" on your side on the internet, thats still an issue.
if i fire a splodge of ultra shots into a spider, and hit once, when i totally hit 3 or 4 times, it could well be that the game is showing me hits, where as that spider is grand. now, thats a problem.

[Joseph Mallan]

Alistair Winter, on 24 September 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

I just got out of a match where I took out 2 Spiders trying to circle my Ilya Muromets. I was chasing them. They both died by double gauss rifle shots. Honestly, unless I'm playing an SRM boat, I welcome any duel with light mechs. I'll even take on two of them, unless they're JR7-F's with 6 medium lasers each.

People who say light mechs are OP suffer from two conditions, both of which are hard to cure:

• They're not very good at playing light mechs.
  
• They're not very good at playing heavy / assault mechs.

Come at me, bros.

Saw you in your Catapult last night. I was in your cockpit scratching my head a few times. Till I got what you were doing. You almost turned our loss around on the Volcano map. If our Spider could have hit R a few times or the Raven had both legs you could have had a better chance with your missiles.
<o7>

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 24 September 2013 - 05:19 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Nehkrosis, on 24 September 2013 - 05:15 AM, said:

Mr. Winters, i'll have to jump in here, im afraid.
I too, have slain Spiders with double gauss.
Its a beautiful experience.
I have butchered them with lasers and missiles and other ballistics too.
However, its not all the time, and its not even sometimes.
There absolutely is something wrong with how the HSR affects these mechs. even if that means its how it "appears" on your side on the internet, thats still an issue.
if i fire a splodge of ultra shots into a spider, and hit once, when i totally hit 3 or 4 times, it could well be that the game is showing me hits, where as that spider is grand. now, thats a problem.

I'm not disputing the fact that there is a problem. And my anecdotal evidence was not intended as a scientific rebuttal. If I wanted to be serious, I would do something like take a screenshot of 100 match results and analyse the effects of spiders, looking both at their average damage and the correlation between winning and having spiders on your team.

Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

However, even without actual numbers to back my claim, I am fairly confident that you'd find that 1) Spiders, on average, tend to do worse than any assault, heavy or medium mech in the game, in terms of damage and kills, and 2) Spiders, on average, have no greater effect than other mechs, in terms of accomplishing victory.

You'd get some very different results if you looked at the effect of having, say, 4 Atlas mechs on a team, both in terms of their damage / kills and in terms of their chances of winning. But I'm not seeing a lot of threads complaining about "Atlai". Because they're supposed to win, right? To me, it seems that getting beaten by the underdog stings a lot more than getting beaten by the top dog.

Joseph Mallan, on 24 September 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Saw you in your Catapult last night. I was in your cockpit scratching my head a few times. Till I got what you were doing. You almost turned our loss around on the Volcano map. If our Spider could have hit R a few times or the Raven had both legs you could have had a better chance with your missiles.
o7

If I recall the match you're referring to, then I have to admit that when things are looking awfully gloomy, I just go hunting for easy kills. So a lot of times people will scratch their heads (i.e. insult me), because I'm absorbing damage without engaging the fresh enemy mechs, while trying to get into position to finish the almost dead enemy mechs. It's a last resort, of course - if we're already doomed.

And I distinctly remember swearing a bit when I realized that the guy who killed me (a Jager, I think) had a deep red center torso, which I could easily have destroyed if the Spider had scouted a bit.

I do remember seeing you in a match. Will remember to say hi next time, despite your shortcomings in regards to small laser evaluation.

o7

[Joseph Mallan]

You had every right to use... colorful metaphors.