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[LastKhan]

Saber Avalon, on 11 June 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Oh you beautiful person, how did you find this?

The wonders you find when ur subbed to MW;O's youtube channel.

[101011]

So, obviously that Summoner is not the Prime config. Shall we play a game of guess the variants? The Summoner is most likely the B config, unless PGI decided to switch up the omni pods.

Edited by 101011, 11 June 2014 - 01:21 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Looked like missile pods. You know what that means.

Than again, the Stormcrow they zoomed on had a custom configuration too.

[Saber Avalon]

Ok, so after watching the trailer approx. 10 times and pausing frequently. Here is my list of observations:

1) I can not help but notice how short the Summoner is. Same size or shorter than a Stormcrow.
2) Use of omni-pods: Summoner's missile arm and what looks like the D energy arm are most noticeable, then the PPC on the RT of the far right Stormcrow.
3) The Kit Fox is missing its hand but I can not tell what is equipped there. Looks like a pair of lasers. I was trying to find evidence of an AMS, in hopes of the C arm... but I do not see that either. It is the S though, jump jets and MGuns in torsos.
4) Timber Wolf stream firing LRMs at the end.
5) Summoner gets some mighty fine air during the charge, in the background. It is the D's arm, you can see 2 lasers firing.

Will keep looking for stuff.


Edit: Anyone have those Red/Blue 3D glasses? They might work with how they did this video, looking at the colours and their offsets lol

Edited by Saber Avalon, 11 June 2014 - 01:27 PM.

[MisterPlanetarian]

The left arm of that Summoner has lasers mounted though. You can see it jump sniping at the very end.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Saber Avalon, on 10 June 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

That being said, in lore, the Clans never made such bans during trials. You were allowed to use everything at the Clan's disposal. Now, given that this is the game and things are a bit different, you want to limit the cheese builds such as the AC40 to test how they pilot a mech. I would understand streaks if they still only went for the CT like in days of old but now each missile has a random target location. Sure, you do not have to aim them but they are not directing damage to a single location. You are not going to kill someone, with streaks, very fast. Non streaks, although manually aimed, can put most of their missiles into the same location. Streaks are not the feared OP weapon of old.

I am somewhat surprised by the quad AC5 restriction as well. Yes, it is high dps but you still have to land multiple shots and there are sacrifices made to make that build. Mobility and range will kill it. I just noticed you said UAC, same limitations exist but now they have 4 tons less ammo to play with and a jam mechanic to deal with. I do not know, to me a clan warrior should not be concerned with what he faces in battle. If someone needs an AC40 to win, then it will show and a skilled pilot would take them down with another build. Curious you did not mention dual gauss or PPC/meta builds. That being said, my favorite build runs MLs, standard SRMs, and an AC10.

I suppose you would want to limit the skilled players from using cheese builds, but then, they are already skilled.

The problem is we (and I am including my Ghost Bears as well in this) conduct augmented Trials as if they were unaugmented with the two opponents right next to each other. In the lore it was not so. The two contestants had to find each other. So bringing a double AC20 would be advantageous to one pilot seeing as his opponent is right there. What is he had to find him though? What if the CoE was a huge area & his opponent had longer range weapons? He might get his AC20s stripped, he might have the AC ammo destroyed or he might even get killed before he could even get in range to use the double AC20s. It would change how he fights.

The same holds true for Streaks. Sure you can lock on at 1000m & even fire them, but they will only hit a target at 270m or less.
I think we (all the Clans) need to rethink how we conduct Trials.

The definition of a Circle of Equals is:

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The area in which a trial takes place is known as the Circle of Equals. It ranges in size from a few dozen feet for personal combat to tens of miles for large-scale trials. Though traditionally a circle, the area can be any shape.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 11 June 2014 - 01:31 PM.

[ChapeL]

Irrelevant observation: It's funny that the battle depicted in the video happens in a location on HPG manifold where NOTHING EVER HAPPENS ( I hate that map with a passion )

[101011]

Aff, the Summoner is definitely the B config with the D's arm. The Stormcrow to the right of the Summoner has what looks to be either a class 10 or 20 autocannon in the left arm, most likely the LBX 10 from the C config. The middle Stormcrow looks to be Prime, and the right Stormcrow looks like a custom C (ballistic in the left arm, energy in the left torso. The Kit Fox also looks like the S config. (NEW LASER COLORS! WOOT!), and a Timber Wolf Prime at the end.

[Saber Avalon]

I think they chose that part of HPG because no one ever fights out there. As if to say "hey, look at this area, it is cool tooo...." lol


Anywho, back to the vid observations: You can get a feel for the beam durations by watching the IS mechs fighting in the first scene then the Clan mechs later. They seem to hang quite a bit longer.

Did not notice any burst fire ACs. The Kit Fox fires off a round but you do not get to see a shell or multiple, only muzzle flash.

As for the colours of the lasers, are they different or is that the greyscale filter they have over top of everything?

[MisterPlanetarian]

Saber Avalon, on 11 June 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

I think they chose that part of HPG because no one ever fights out there. As if to say "hey, look at this area, it is cool tooo...." lol


Anywho, back to the vid observations: You can get a feel for the beam durations by watching the IS mechs fighting in the first scene then the Clan mechs later. They seem to hang quite a bit longer.

Did not notice any burst fire ACs. The Kit Fox fires off a round but you do not get to see a shell or multiple, only muzzle flash.

As for the colours of the lasers, are they different or is that the greyscale filter they have over top of everything?

Kit fox has an LBX equipped though, so no burst fire there.

[Saber Avalon]

MisterPlanetarian, on 11 June 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Kit fox has an LBX equipped though, so no burst fire there.

Yeah, seems that way. Was hoping they had at least one of them equipped with a UAC so we could see that. Have to wait till tomorrow then. At least they showed off stream fire LRMs and lots of other stuff.

[101011]

MisterPlanetarian, on 11 June 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Kit fox has an LBX equipped though, so no burst fire there.

EDIT: Nevermind. That is the LBX.

Edited by 101011, 11 June 2014 - 01:48 PM.

[Saber Avalon]

101011, on 11 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Neg. That Kit Fox is running the S config, including that arm (2E only). If you pause it at the right moment, you can see the contrails of the PPC. EDIT: 31 seconds. The PPC is quite clear.

I saw that too, but I think the PPC is from the Stormcrow. If you look at the first group shot you can see the Kit Fox appears to have an AC of some kind and an undertucked SRM, Prime's RA maybe. the other arm, looks like it has the lasers but a missing hand.

Edited by Saber Avalon, 11 June 2014 - 01:50 PM.

[talbs]

Thank you

[101011]

Saber Avalon, on 11 June 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I saw that too, but I think the PPC is from the Stormcrow. If you look at the first group shot you can see the Kit Fox appears to have an AC of some kind and an undertucked SRM. the other arm, looks like it has the lasers but a missing hand.

Yeah, I saw that and edited my post.

[Pariah Devalis]

What I know? It went from 20% phase 4 to 35% in a matter of hours, today. XD

[VanillaG]

Saber Avalon, on 11 June 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

I think they chose that part of HPG because no one ever fights out there. As if to say "hey, look at this area, it is cool tooo...." lol

I think they chose that map a homage to The Rock where Phelan Kell was captured.

[Dakkaface]

lastkhan, on 11 June 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

Ill leave this here. There might be some information in this.

First reaction: Different colored lasers, cool!

After a bit of contemplation: While different colored lasers are nice for identifications sake, I am a bit disappointed that they're stepping away from the visual wavelength to strength correlation they established for IS lasers. Blue is highest energy and strongest, red lowest energy and weakest, green in between. Now it appears that Clans have aqua larges (blue green is lower than blue) and yellow meds (lower than green).

I was kinda hoping the Clans would have violet larges, blue-green meds and yellow smalls.

[CoffiNail]

Maybe it was small and medium lasers you were seeing?

We can hope, quiaff?

[101011]

VanillaG, on 11 June 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

I think they chose that map a homage to The Rock where Phelan Kell was captured.

Yes, I believe this too. I mean, two Spheroid forces fighting it out on a cratered moon while Clan forces watch? A no-brainer, quiaff?