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[Mawai]

Lily from animove, on 24 October 2014 - 06:48 AM, said:

you don't really make 6 matches per hour, they often last longer if you take waiting queue an laoding screen and preparation screen into it as well.

Actually, I do find I get about 6 matches an hour if dropping continuously ... match is typically 6 to 8 minutes ... I also often play lights or heavies depending on queue time so the time waiting is typically 30s to 90s most of the time ... I also tend to spectate until the end (I somehow hate leaving a match ... I like to watch but it may also have to do with the fact that I only have 1 of each module so I only have one fully outfitted mech at a time). They should get at least 4 matches an hour minimum ... with 5 or 6 being more common assuming they spectate. It probably goes up to 6 to 10 matches in an hour if you don't wait for the end of the match. In any of these scenarios 350k for 4 hours of play should not be possible except in the case of 16 losses in which they did nothing at all ... which would still net 320k - 20k for each loss.

Edited by Mawai, 24 October 2014 - 07:57 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Muh assault income.

[Mr Beefy]

DarthRevis, on 24 October 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

I dont see where you are drawing the comparison that this has anything to do with team play....i still make more playing SRM builds with my team and just running straight at the pile of enemies then i do with LRM/TAG/NARC. Timidness and ignorance are the two main reason people dont team play in this game.

Given my experience of around 200 matches last weekend for the event..... your two main reasons are not the "main" reason at all for players having no desire to play as a team in 80% of the matches I played. A real team player plays for the primary objectives FIRST in a given match mode, AND SECONDARY OBJECTIVES second or first as long as it doesn't effect or stop his team from getting the PRIMARY OBJECTIVE in a given match mode.

A TRUE TEAM PLAYER DOESN'T BLOW OFF and even go out of his way to fail completing the primary objective of the match mode when his team has it in the bag..... and then "LOL" in chat after chasing down the last enemy light for TWO mins. killing him, while the rest of his team has the base taken so he can get that extra k/d ratio and in the old system the extra C-bills for the kill. What I have suggested would fix a lot of issues, and it would kill this type of players in this game. They are here to exploit it for C-bill earnings, because C-bill earnings are a huge problem in this game. They are to low, and have been for far to long. Once this is corrected.... people will focus on team play, or at the very least, I would bet the number of 80% would shift the other way around. That would be a very good thing for True team play.

[Vassago Rain]

So I need to win, and do almost 1000 damage, and last the whole round to get slightly more than my old average assault income.

Using a 30% income mech. Sounds fair.

[Revis Volek]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 24 October 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

The point you are missing is that the payout, even for 'terrible play' is way too low.

Nobody is saying you should get 300k+ for a crap match. But neither should you ever only get 30k.

No YOU are missing the point....you had a bad match and you got no money. Sorry man it happens I do not think that should be removed. There needs to be some penalty for not playing with the team and making mistakes. Other wise its just a pointless game....everyone get free money and we just shoot each other in the mean time but that really has no affect on what you earn because we dont want to hurt the bad players feelings.....gtfo here.

Vassago Rain, on 24 October 2014 - 07:54 AM, said:

I liked this one.

That's a pretty mediocre game, under 500 DMG no kills and only 2 assists? Granted you should get a bit more but i would give you much for that performance if i was in charge.

No spotting assist, Lane formation, Protection or anything like that? Seems like you went off on your own or the team left you behind. Again, it happens but that still almost covered the cost of a UAV and Arty so not total loss.





Now this one is just F&%$ing Wrong....you did decent and got the same as that mediocre match above?

Edited by DarthRevis, 24 October 2014 - 08:02 AM.

[Jacob Side]

If you play poorly & blow your consumables and your team loses you should lose Cbills.

Just how I feel. I'm sure there are other that feel this way too.

[Johnny Z]

I have a hero mech and some premium time, but I am using neither(mastering new mech) because the creds are slowly but surely adding up as I play at the moment. If I wanted to make creds faster I would use one those or even both.......

As a sim and in the Mechwarrior stories, the mechs are extremely valuable, although they may change cred earnings again who knows.

BTW I use arty and uav every match because both earn me creds and exp and can help win the match which earns me creds and exp, and still managing to slowly save up creds.

Edited by Johnny Z, 24 October 2014 - 08:08 AM.

[Scratx]

DarthRevis, on 24 October 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

No YOU are missing the point....you had a bad match and you got no money. Sorry man it happens I do not think that should be removed. There needs to be some penalty for not playing with the team and making mistakes. Other wise its just a pointless game....everyone get free money and we just shoot each other in the mean time but that really has no affect on what you earn because we dont want to hurt the bad players feelings.....gtfo here.



That's a pretty mediocre game, under 500 DMG no kills and only 2 assists? Granted you should get a bit more but i would give you much for that performance if i was in charge.

No spotting assist, Lane formation, Protection or anything like that? Seems like you went off on your own or the team left you behind. Again, it happens but that still almost covered the cost of a UAV and Arty so not total loss.





Now this one is just F&%$ing Wrong....you did decent and got the same as that mediocre match above?

On that second screenshot, be extremely careful looking at it. It is either accidentally or deliberately manipulated.

The big number on the c-bill reward is not the actual reward, the screenshot was taken while the "money going up" animation was still running. The actual reward was almost twice as much as apparently claimed.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Moonlander, on 24 October 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

Some of you are too ******** to argue with. I'm going to go rake in some Cbills. I'll post screenshots for you after.

I really wish this forum had an ignore function. I've yet to see you post anything constructive.

Getting back on topic, here's a 3 kill, 7 assist game where I did 500+ damage and netted 145k:









That's still a drop in income compared to the old reward system.

[Mr Beefy]

siLve00, on 24 October 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

Dude... you don´t get it do you ?
If you boost single player bonus there WONT BE TEAMPLAY !
I give a **** how much i earn.. bc earning is just a problem because the game isn´t fun to play as pug ! Why it isnt fun ? Not because you get 35k at the end.. it sucks because it isnt fun to face an enemy team who rolls together and plays as a team.

If ppl playing this game because they wana have new mechs... they can buy it with $.. so we dont need to ruin the GAME ! This game isn´t about earning cbills its about having fun in a match. Seems like most ppl forget it !

I would even be happy if they would remove cbills and make mechs cash only.. that would be cool.. so we could finaly play the game.

Fair enough, that is one way to look at it..... Tell ya what, If PGI develops a real AAA title, have single player missions and real content in this game, Plus ONLINE play, I would be happy to support them and buy it. Until then, what you have suggested may seem like the problem... but out of around 200 matches played just last weekend for the event by me, I have found 80% of those matches that team players threw the match simply to farm C-bills because team play be damned they needed the C-bills and made that very clear in chat. I agree with you, that PGI simply rewarding each move you make in game a certain way will not solve anything, and will in fact continue the exploitation of any system they tweek, not matter how well thought out.

Incase you missed it, that is the reason to give the extra bonus for each game modes primary objectives being completed, and it will fix the lack of team play in the majority of matches. If teams want that extra 75-100k bonus for taking the base..... they will work together to do it. This system would not make the grind worse for the new players, and the avg or causal ones either, and it damn sure will not make the grind go away. It will simply allow players to focus on the primary objectives in a given game mode, with out the fear or desire to exploit the system anymore given the very low pay outs if they don't exploit it.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 24 October 2014 - 08:19 AM.

[Johnny Z]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 24 October 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I really wish this forum had an ignore function. I've yet to see you post anything constructive.

Getting back on topic, here's a 3 kill, 7 assist game where I did 500+ damage and netted 145k:









That's still a drop in income compared to the old reward system.

Ya it does seem lower since the new rewards and by a fair bit. Like I said above mechs are supposed to be super valuable in Mechwarrior so I am not complaining yet.

Although, I think they are doing some testing at the moment for various upcomming game modes like Succession Wars and none SW and stuff, just a guess.

[Mr Beefy]

Johnny Z, on 24 October 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

I have a hero mech and some premium time, but I am using neither(mastering new mech) because the creds are slowly but surely adding up as I play at the moment. If I wanted to make creds faster I would use one those or even both.......

As a sim and in the Mechwarrior stories, the mechs are extremely valuable, although they may change cred earnings again who knows.

BTW I use arty and uav every match because both earn me creds and exp and can help win the match which earns me creds and exp, and still managing to slowly save up creds.

Btw, I never use arty or airstrikes, or cool downs..... and even if they increase the match earnings I still won't buy them.

[Vassago Rain]

DarthRevis, on 24 October 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:

No YOU are missing the point....you had a bad match and you got no money. Sorry man it happens I do not think that should be removed. There needs to be some penalty for not playing with the team and making mistakes. Other wise its just a pointless game....everyone get free money and we just shoot each other in the mean time but that really has no affect on what you earn because we dont want to hurt the bad players feelings.....gtfo here.



That's a pretty mediocre game, under 500 DMG no kills and only 2 assists? Granted you should get a bit more but i would give you much for that performance if i was in charge.

No spotting assist, Lane formation, Protection or anything like that? Seems like you went off on your own or the team left you behind. Again, it happens but that still almost covered the cost of a UAV and Arty so not total loss.





Now this one is just F&%$ing Wrong....you did decent and got the same as that mediocre match above?

I have a couple more interesting ones.

I don't even know what they're going for. Income seems completely random. I do 300 and win, I get almost 200k. I do 600 and lose, I get less than 100k.

[Brody319]

Flash Frame, on 24 October 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

How to make mad C-bills in the current economy.

Buy Illia Muramets cataphract.

Outfit with dual gauss, dual medium lasers, okish engine, lots of ammo.

Dual gauss EVERYTHING ALL DAY.

earn over 100k per match easy [more like 230k per match if you have active premium time]

triple UAC-5s and triple medium lasers. Thing puts assaults down like nothing else. Can face tank an atlas and kill it before I take any real damage.

[Moonlander]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 24 October 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

I really wish this forum had an ignore function. I've yet to see you post anything constructive.

Well, your reading comprehension is basically nil or you're referring to this single thread for your opinion. However, I agree with the ignore function. It would be nice to not have to read posts from man babies day in and day out...

[Vassago Rain]

In conclusion, my contributions don't really matter. My performance doesn't really matter. Just be on the winning team, and you make fat money.

[Scratx]

Vassago Rain, on 24 October 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I have a couple more interesting ones.

I don't even know what they're going for. Income seems completely random. I do 300 and win, I get almost 200k. I do 600 and lose, I get less than 100k.

When you do, please make sure that the cbill/xp animation has ended, because screenshotting too early can be deceiving, and basing any arguments around those values would be intellectually dishonest.

If you're wondering what I mean, look at my own response to that post you just quoted, look at the BIG cbill number and the SMALL cbill number under the detailed breakdown.


Edit : Actually, you just did it again, 'cept this time it's horribly obvious. Please don't do that.

Edited by Scratx, 24 October 2014 - 08:17 AM.

[Opus]

Just what we need more players screaming L2P, GTFO, and assorted other taunts at a guy that gets frustrated and voicing an opinion:

classy guys really classy

[BARBAR0SSA]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 24 October 2014 - 07:20 AM, said:

Here's the results screen for a match I just played.

- I was in an HBK-4SP
- Solo queue, so good luck getting random people to actually employ teamwork
- Match ended early for me because I misjudged my speed/turning radius, went off a ledge and landed in front of a Dire Wolf and Stalker



I am fine with wins paying out more than losses, but 34k is way too low for any match, win or loss. The 'floor' on possible payouts need to be raised.

You pretty much did absolutely nothing to help your team there, also you could have disconnected and fired up another match as well

Also if the rewards are upped I can guarantee you will see a large influx of Disconnected players.

No one is thinking of it this way; Say you got 34k Cbills but you died 2 minutes in to the match, exit go back out drop in another mech (~1 minute), died 2 mins in get 34k again, load drop, then play a 6 minute match and get 150k

vs

Me being in a match and playing 12 minutes surviving until the end and getting my 220k base.

If it was 50k or so, I could literally load drop DC and repeat and get paid a fortune for nothing.

[Vassago Rain]

Scratx, on 24 October 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

When you do, please make sure that the cbill/xp animation has ended, because screenshotting too early can be deceiving, and basing any arguments around those values would be intellectually dishonest.

If you're wondering what I mean, look at my own response to that post you just quoted, look at the BIG cbill number and the SMALL cbill number under the detailed breakdown.


Edit : Actually, you just did it again, 'cept this time it's horribly obvious. Please don't do that.

It says there in white how much money I've made. Why would you ever look at the animated count?