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#17421 Tarogato

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 10:39 AM

View PostSuperFunkTron, on 24 August 2017 - 08:36 AM, said:

I'm curious as to your reasoning for why the Black Lanner is more likely than the Phantom or Pouncer.

Granted, the Black Lanner is essentially the middle ground between those two with both speed and fire power while having a little more armor but comes in at 15 tons heavier than the other 2. I may be wrong here but it seems like it will play like a flightless Shadowcat (real irony with the animal names here) with a better speed tweak. When examining the other 2 mechs more closely, the Phantom provides novelty in its extreme speed and ecm while providing good hard point diversity. The Pouncer would be, as has been pointed out many times, like a heavier Adder in a way, but would provide add jump jets and provide a variety of builds that would play well stock. Out of those 3 mechs, the Pouncer would make the most sense to me because of its solid mobility and the powerful punch it would provide at its weight +/- 10 tons, which is one of the major short comings of clans in that weight range. I could also understand the Arctic Wolf being the reason the Phantom an Pouncer get knocked out of the running.


Several reasons:

A: clans only have one 55 tonner right now. Need more.

B: the Black Lanner is a popular vote in public polls and PGI watches those polls.

C: the Pouncer and Phantom are both 40-ton mechs. Clans already have the Viper and we're getting the Arctic Wolf coming up, so I don't think they would do another 40-tonner so soon.

D: they are probably sticking to Civil War era production mechs for the time-being. And probably not a 50-tonner because those are kinda saturated at the moment. So our options are limited to Black Lanner, Stooping Hawk, Shadow Hawk IIC, Grendel, and Goshawk. (unless PGI goes for a mech lacking in variants, like the Rabid Coyote, Pinion, Great Wyrm)

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 11:03 AM

View PostTarogato, on 24 August 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

Several reasons:

A: clans only have one 55 tonner right now. Need more.

B: the Black Lanner is a popular vote in public polls and PGI watches those polls.

C: the Pouncer and Phantom are both 40-ton mechs. Clans already have the Viper and we're getting the Arctic Wolf coming up, so I don't think they would do another 40-tonner so soon.

D: they are probably sticking to Civil War era production mechs for the time-being. And probably not a 50-tonner because those are kinda saturated at the moment. So our options are limited to Black Lanner, Stooping Hawk, Shadow Hawk IIC, Grendel, and Goshawk. (unless PGI goes for a mech lacking in variants, like the Rabid Coyote, Pinion, Great Wyrm)


With those reasons and options laid out, Black Lanner is by far the most appealing. I'll just have to hope that there will be a reason to revisit Clan 40 tonners in the not so distant future.

#17423 Ovion

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 11:11 AM

Just for a nice neat visual representation of what the spread is:
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#17424 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 12:57 PM

View PostSuperFunkTron, on 24 August 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:


With those reasons and options laid out, Black Lanner is by far the most appealing. I'll just have to hope that there will be a reason to revisit Clan 40 tonners in the not so distant future.


Yep. There are other Clan 55 ton mechs that would be better (in virtually every way imaginable), in the context of battlefield capability. However, the Black Lanner seems to have insane levels of popularity going for it. I cannot exactly pinpoint why it does, but... whatever. It isn't like we can use 55 ton mechs in scouting mode, anyways. Posted Image

Black Lanner? Sure... Why not.


I just hope the Vapor Eagle makes it into a MW title one day. Now that is a mean, mean 55 ton mech.

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Edited by Pariah Devalis, 24 August 2017 - 01:01 PM.


#17425 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 01:06 PM

View PostOvion, on 24 August 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Just for a nice neat visual representation of what the spread is:
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Your total chassis count is still off for the 70/75 ton portion from when you had the NCT listed as 75 tons. Posted Image



*Runs away giggling*


Edit: Also, you have 5 chassis listed for IS 50 ton mechs. There are 6.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 24 August 2017 - 01:33 PM.


#17426 Tarogato

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 01:48 PM

The fruits of my labours today:



Vapor Eagle (Goshawk) Clan 55-ton battlemech


VPE-1

WeaponsDHSJJsSpecialTogglesEngineSpeed
1x cHLL + 3x cERML + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)191-cEndo + cFerrocXL355104.6
4x cMPL + 4x cLMG (1.5ton)161-cEndo + cFerrocXL370109.0
2x cHLL + 2x cERML201-cEndo + cFerrocXL350103.1
2x cERPPC203TC2cEndo + cFerrocXL32595.7
4x cUAC2 (8.0ton)121all left-mountedcEndo + cFerrocXL26578.1
2x cLB10 (4.0ton) + 4x cERSL111-cEndo + cFerrocXL29586.9
1x cGauss (2.0ton) + 1x cHLL + 3x cERML171-cEndo + cFerrocXL28583.9
1x cUAC10 (3.0ton) + 4x cMPL171-cEndo + cFerrocXL28583.9
1x cUAC20 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML181-cEndo + cFerrocXL28583.9
1x cATM12 (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL171-cEndo + cFerrocXL30088.4
2x cSRM6a (2.0ton) + 4x cMPL191-cEndo + cFerrocXL32595.7
2x cSRM6a (2.5ton) + 4x cERSL + 4x cLMG (2.0ton)161-cEndo + cFerrocXL360106.0




VPE-2

WeaponsDHSJJsSpecialTogglesEngineSpeed
2x cHLL + 5x cLMG (3.0ton)176-cEndo + cFerrocXL340100.1
2x UAC5 (4.0ton) + 2x UAC2 (3.0ton)101all left-mountedcEndo + cFerrocXL25575.1
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cMPL + 6x cLMG (3.0ton)164-cEndo + cFerrocXL350103.1




VPE-3

WeaponsDHSJJsSpecialTogglesEngineSpeed
3x cSRM6a (4.0ton) + 4x cERML191-cEndo + cFerrocXL31592.8
2x cATM3 + 1x cATM9 (4.0ton) + 4x cERML181-cEndo + cFerrocXL31592.8
---- following builds assume hardpoint inflation: ----
4x cSRM6a (5.0ton) + 4x cERSL161-cEndo + cFerrocXL33097.2




VPE-4


WeaponsDHSJJsSpecialTogglesEngineSpeed
2x cHLL + 5x cERML221-cEndocXL30088.4
2x cSRM6a (3.0ton) + 6x cERSL151-cEndo + cFerrocXL375110.5
2x cSRM4 (2.5ton) + 6x cMPL201-cEndo + cFerrocXL30088.4
2x cATM9 (5.0ton) + 6x cERSL181-cEndocXL28583.9

Edited by Tarogato, 24 August 2017 - 01:48 PM.


#17427 Jackal Noble

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 03:05 PM

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#17428 Odanan

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 03:08 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 24 August 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:


Yep. There are other Clan 55 ton mechs that would be better (in virtually every way imaginable), in the context of battlefield capability. However, the Black Lanner seems to have insane levels of popularity going for it. I cannot exactly pinpoint why it does, but... whatever. It isn't like we can use 55 ton mechs in scouting mode, anyways. Posted Image

Black Lanner? Sure... Why not.


I just hope the Vapor Eagle makes it into a MW title one day. Now that is a mean, mean 55 ton mech.

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#17429 SuperFunkTron

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 03:34 PM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 24 August 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

I just hope the Vapor Eagle makes it into a MW title one day. Now that is a mean, mean 55 ton mech.



If the Vapor Eagle is the next 55 tonner in line, I think I can safely hope I'll see at least the Phantom or Pouncer before another 55 tonner Posted Image. Vapor Eagle looks solid enough, but with tonnage restrictions, having low weight mediums that either punch really hard or can run extremely fast with ECM and great hard point variety, I see those 2 starting to rise on the "next best" list. Granted, in quickplay the weight is less of an issue so we can ignore that and stick with the harsher restrictions Posted Image


After taking a close look at the Vapor Eagle, it's really not adding much at the 55 ton class beyond jump capability, more ballistic hardpoints, and that beautifully centered cockpit begging for head shot kills... oh so beautifully centered.

Edited by SuperFunkTron, 24 August 2017 - 03:50 PM.


#17430 TheArisen

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 04:54 PM

Made a thread about the least rep'd weights in MWO. (Praise me! Haha)
https://mwomercs.com...d-mech-weights/

#17431 Odanan

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 06:07 PM

View PostTheArisen, on 24 August 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Made a thread about the least rep'd weights in MWO. (Praise me! Haha)
https://mwomercs.com...d-mech-weights/

Oh Cerberus, sweet Cerberus...

BTW, you link for the Cerberus is missing the last ")"

#17432 TheArisen

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:00 PM

View PostOdanan, on 24 August 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

Oh Cerberus, sweet Cerberus...

BTW, you link for the Cerberus is missing the last ")"


I'm not sure why but I always seem to have issues with linking it's sarna page.
http://www.sarna.net...rus_(BattleMech)

Edited by TheArisen, 24 August 2017 - 07:01 PM.


#17433 FLG 01

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:14 PM

Yes, the brackets are the problem, but that can be solved. Just click the "link"-button (below "size"), insert the URL and click ok.

http://www.sarna.net...us_(BattleMech)

You can also mark some text, the click "link" and enter a URL and click ok:

Cerberus, BattleMech

Edited by FLG 01, 24 August 2017 - 08:16 PM.


#17434 SgtMagor

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 05:27 AM

**WHEN**
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#17435 Odanan

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 05:49 AM

View PostSgtMagor, on 25 August 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

**WHEN**
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Wow, I always forget how scary the Akuma is.

#17436 Odanan

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:55 AM

In 7 or 10 days we should see the next mech Hellspawn. ;)

#17437 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 11:06 AM

View PostOdanan, on 25 August 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

In 7 or 10 days we should see the next mech Hellspawn. Posted Image

I'd rather see a Vulcan.
Or a Dervish.
Or anything 3025, to be honest.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:20 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 August 2017 - 10:55 AM, said:

In 7 or 10 days we should see the next mech Hellspawn. Posted Image

are they going to do 2 IS mechs in a row? I really wish they'd alternate each month

#17439 Odanan

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:57 PM

View PostSuperFunkTron, on 25 August 2017 - 01:20 PM, said:

are they going to do 2 IS mechs in a row? I really wish they'd alternate each month

Yep! Me too.
But at least there will be 2 Clan mechs in a row in the following months.

#17440 FLG 01

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:14 PM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 25 August 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

I'd rather see a Vulcan.
Or a Dervish.
Or anything 3025, to be honest.


Or anything that has an importance beyond having been featured in MW:4. It's already getting old, it does not help the IS in MWO, it does not represent the lore.

At this point I have to vote with my vallet: no MW:4 Mech unless it is actually too important otherwise (think Fafnir or Templar; or Nova Cat to name a soon to be released Mech).
MW:4-nostalgia is strangeling all creativity in this BattleTech-game, and ironically it is very much against the spirit of MW:4 which dared to explore new worlds. MW:4 did not exclude the Fafnir because it was not on a previous game; it did not exclude the Mad Cat MKII because it was not in a previous game. And so on.

A fan of that game should honour its spirit, not turn MWO into MW:4-reloaded.

Edited by FLG 01, 25 August 2017 - 07:14 PM.






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