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[bad arcade kitty]

Drake Morgan, on 27 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

Why is this stuff not being posted in the forums by a dev? We need Twitter to get announcements?

it was, in the announcement section
http://mwomercs.com/...d-for-cheating/

[Cementi]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

This is from Bhael Fire:



Russ told Bhael that Russ had personally seen the video of Bhael cheating, which is an outright lie.

This is also the kind of thing that bothers me about banning an account, sometimes more than one user is on it. Regardless of true or not as I know some say that people who are guilty always profess their innocence you have to admit that this senario is plausible.

Also by naming people they also could damage the reputations of people from the same units as the ones accused, guilty or not.

All in all not well played.

[PoorDecisions]

Cementi, on 27 May 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

This is also the kind of thing that bothers me about banning an account, sometimes more than one user is on it. Regardless of true or not as I know some say that people who are guilty always profess their innocence you have to admit that this senario is plausible.

Also by naming people they also could damage the reputations of people from the same units as the ones accused, guilty or not.

All in all not well played.

Bhael's computer is not his daughter's computer and they have separate accounts. Bhael was banned simply because he played from the same IP.

Edited by I Make Poor Decisions, 27 May 2015 - 07:47 PM.

[Cementi]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 07:45 PM, said:

Bhael's computer is not his daughter's computer. Bhael was banned simply because he played from the same IP.

Ok, that makes it even more stupid.

[PoorDecisions]

Cementi, on 27 May 2015 - 07:46 PM, said:

Ok, that makes it even more stupid.

Yep, and paints a poor picture of the knee-jerk reactionaries who scream IT'S OBVIOUS HE WAS CHEATING, NOBODY MAKES MISTAKES WHEN BANNING CHEATERS.

But, then again, if they're this careless in deciding who is to be banned, they're obviously not going to care enough to right the mistake they made so it leaves an upstanding long-time member of the community embarrassed, humiliated, shamed, and ultimately kicked from his unit on false pretenses.

[GoodwinAJ]

Request video or screenshot evidence.

[Repasy Cooper]

Cementi, on 27 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

My only problem with making the names public is what if there was a mistake made. Will the company own up to it , appologize and fix it? I would like to think so but I would not hold my breath.

Also what were the offences, were some major things like wallhacks and aimbots or were they silly things like editing a sound file. It's kind of like police going into a small town, arresting 64 people but not telling anyone why and offering no proof other than here is a list of the people so you know they are criminals........but why are they criminals. Were they repeated offenders, single offenders, major infractions, minor. Is a permanent ban really needed or maybe a warning to cease and desist be enough as sometimes people really are ignorant that something is a banable offense.

Typically game companies go through a step process ie 1 day ban 3 day week and then permanent or some such thing. Going right to the end is suspicious to me as it smacks of making an example. It says to me that we have a problem/are getting lots of complaints with cheaters so lets make some examples so that the rest of the players think we are on top it.

Maybe these people deserved it. However some time should have been given for them to plead their case to make sure no errors were made as once they are made its rather hard to unmake them.

I am a conspiracy theorist at heart though so anytime someone in authority states that they are 100% certain they made no errors I am about 75% sure they did.

Wanna know what I think? I think PGI gave everyone FAIR WARNING after whatz-er-name, pudding or something, got banned. They released a detailed post describing how they were going to treat cheaters. At that time, any number of these people could have uninstalled their cheats, maybe even possibly have pleaded guilty directly to PGI. Naturally, none of these people came forth because they thought "PGI will never catch me, they only caught ONE PERSON so far."

It's like that DTOUR show Border Patrol. Every time that they suspect someone may be smuggling narcotics or other illegal imports in their luggage they give them one last shot. "Sir, before I open this bag to inspect it, is there anything you want to let me know first?"

These guys made no attempt at redemption after the warning post, so they got the banhammer.

As for this Bhael Fire dude:

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

This is from Bhael Fire:

To put things to rest.... no, I have never cheated in this game. I want that to be known.

[color=#959595]Apparently, [/color]my kid's account was banned[color=#959595] for running an exploit that her and a friend downloaded last week on the family computer...[/color]so they banned my account as well (without any notice).

[color=#959595]I am horrified and humiliated beyond measure. I fully understand that I can't be associated with A.C.E.S. now thanks to the "public shame" thread. The damage is already done....and I am deeply saddened by that.[/color]

[color=#959595]I've sent emails to support explaining what happened and so far no response; I guess that's that.[/color]

[color=#959595]Sorry guys. [/color]

Russ told Bhael that Russ had personally seen the video of Bhael cheating, which is an outright lie.

I dunno man, when somebody gets caught cheating in a game the very first thing they typically do is tell their friends, family, and internet strangers " IT WASN'T ME!!!" It would be fairly easy to set up an alternate account as your "son's account" and go to haxtown, then feign ignorance when the alt gets caught and WHADAYAKNOW guilt by association so your main account is toast too. IF (BIIIIIG IIIIIF) his story is true, then I feel profound pity for his situation, but in that case he's gotta take responsibility for his son's stupidity, so again guilt by association. Like he himself said, the damage is already done. Anything he tries to say at this point doesn't matter anymore, because his credibility is KAPUT! It doesn't matter whose fault it is. KAPUT!

[Mi Ro Ki]

"banned from the same IP" Haha, yea so, he already knew someone who did cheat then?

That itself deserves a ban. Associates of cheaters know they do it.

"upstanding" haha yea till he got caught.

Oh of course it was his kids fault, yes..the kids he allowed to do this, but he most likely played it aswell.

What a joke.

Praise thy ban hammer!

Edited by Miroki, 27 May 2015 - 08:07 PM.

[White Bear 84]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 May 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

I only even recognized a couple, but I am guessing our Russian Playerbase took a sizable hit?

Edited by White Bear 84, 27 May 2015 - 08:05 PM.

[GoodwinAJ]

Of course they were cheating, how else could they score higher than me.

[Drake Morgan]

bad arcade kitty, on 27 May 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

it was, in the announcement section
http://mwomercs.com/...d-for-cheating/

Ah, thx; I looked but missed it.

[bad arcade kitty]

Cementi, on 27 May 2015 - 07:46 PM, said:

Ok, that makes it even more stupid.

yeah, same ip easily can mean 'somebody from the same city' or even 'from the same region'

[Johnny Z]

I am guessing they took extra care with the first public ban wave. Those were likely 150% sure. I am also guessing there is another ban wave on the way. Much like their mech production and map production is up and running, their anti cheat is going full steam. This could get ugly.

Edited by Johnny Z, 27 May 2015 - 08:13 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 May 2015 - 06:27 PM, said:

I only even recognized a couple, but I am guessing our Russian Playerbase took a sizable hit?

all who were discussed here were americans afaik

[Kiiyor]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 07:45 PM, said:

Bhael's computer is not his daughter's computer and they have separate accounts. Bhael was banned simply because he played from the same IP.

Well, i'd say that if the game client is able to send and retrieve data precisely to someone's machine, the player's IP address or the number of machines using it is irrelevant. It's what happens at the end point that counts.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if PGI are also able to record match data or spectate other players at will, either.

[anonymous161]

funny pgi has been cheating the fans for years now..."shrugs" I'll go get my hammer.

[PoorDecisions]

Miroki, on 27 May 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

"banned from the same IP" Haha, yea so, he already knew someone who did cheat then?

That itself deserves a ban. Associates of cheaters know they do it.

He had no idea what she was doing you insufferable fool. They play the game from different accounts on different computers.

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"upstanding" haha yea till he got caught.

Oh of course it was his kids fault, yes..the kids he allowed to do this, but he most likely played it aswell.

What a joke.

Praise thy ban hammer!

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Johnny Z]

Kiiyor, on 27 May 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well, i'd say that if the game client is able to send and retrieve data precisely to someone's machine, the player's IP address or the number of machines using it is irrelevant. It's what happens at the end point that counts.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if PGI are also able to record match data or spectate other players at will, either.

Going by what other game companies are doing its way way worse than that. Another game company I know has every match in its entirety in storage for anti cheat detection. Is this company doing that? I dont know. What I do know is its super easy for some companies to catch cheats, like super easy. No kidding.

One company has it so players can replay any match and check for cheats themselves believe it or not. Last I seen it was disabled for players, but they were allowed to see for themselves how it worked for a while.

Edited by Johnny Z, 27 May 2015 - 08:20 PM.

[PoorDecisions]

Kiiyor, on 27 May 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well, i'd say that if the game client is able to send and retrieve data precisely to someone's machine, the player's IP address or the number of machines using it is irrelevant. It's what happens at the end point that counts.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if PGI are also able to record match data or spectate other players at will, either.

This is part of my objection. If they really were checking code injection, they wouldn't need video evidence since it would be irrelevant what's shown on the video considering they have the actual code injection found. The fact that there's any sort of "video evidence" being used in place of a more responsible option, a code injection checking anti-cheat measure, is a joke.

There should be absolutely no question about which account is cheating and which isn't. The account that's not cheating, the account being played on a different computer where that code-injection-checking anti-cheat measure is also checking and then verifies that there's no problem should not be banned.

That's the core of my objection. PGI is making a mistake in either scenario.

If Bhael's daughter wants to screw around with exploits and gets caught, fine. Ban her account. Entirely reasonable. Banning Bhael just because he plays from the same IP is asinine.

Edited by I Make Poor Decisions, 27 May 2015 - 08:21 PM.

[9thDeathscream]

Problem is you cant physically prove who was at the controls of said account. That is why the IP ban. He may be guilty and may not be. PGI cant differentiate so they did the right thing.