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[Weeny Machine]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 28 May 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

I think that is legal. My unit has a player that has muscular dystrohpy, and he plays MWO by voice command (we can hear him command his mech through teamspeak, since he's constantly talking)

Example: Legs, Legs, Legs (Legs is his command to walk forward) Target, Legs, one, one, target, Legs,

Nice to hear that a person can overcome a sickness to indulge in his hobby. Big thumbs up from me!

[Sarlic]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 28 May 2015 - 04:30 AM, said:

I think that is legal. My unit has a player that has muscular dystrohpy, and he plays MWO by voice command (we can hear him command his mech through teamspeak, since he's constantly talking)

Example: Legs, Legs, Legs (Legs is his command to walk forward) Target, Legs, one, one, target, Legs,

That's awesome.

[Bishop Steiner]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

This is from Bhael Fire:



Russ told Bhael that Russ had personally seen the video of Bhael cheating, which is an outright lie.

If that is true, well, I feel somewhat bad for Bhael Fire. But on the other hand if his minor had installed Hackware onto his computer, that is still his responsibility, too. Or their own computer living under his roof.

Now, you can sit here and demand proof of seeing this, but unless you have incontrovertible proof to counter Russ claim, stating Russ is outright lying is a pretty tall claim. So please, show us your proof of Bhael Fire's irrefutable innocence.

PGI is under no obligation to show us, the mouth breathing, knuckle dragging masses, anything. Hate to break it to you. Any proof and arguments are between PGI and the Banned.

And if Bhael should be pissed at ANYONE? It would be his daughter, dontcha think?

Cementi, on 27 May 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

It is not really that transparent though. It is simply stating they banned these players. There are some tweets from Russ stating global this wave was guilty of these offences but still seems rather vague to me.

aimbots and wallhacks seem pretty specific. I don't think he needs to name the exact versions of each used, does he?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 May 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[EvilCow]

I imagine the minor also used the credit card to buy the hack, installed it and then used it.

Without the parent knowing of course.

[Bishop Steiner]

EvilCow, on 28 May 2015 - 05:11 AM, said:

I imagine the minor also used the credit card to buy the hack, installed it and then used it.

Without the parent knowing of course.

Of course. Gosh, you insufferable fool!

[Weeny Machine]

EvilCow, on 28 May 2015 - 05:11 AM, said:

I imagine the minor also used the credit card to buy the hack, installed it and then used it.

Without the parent knowing of course.

He should have said "his wife". We all know they can work wonders with your credit cards

[Joseph Mallan]

Bush Hopper, on 28 May 2015 - 05:15 AM, said:

He should have said "his wife". We all know they can work wonders with your credit cards

This would be almost believable.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

This would be almost believable.

My evil ex girlfriend did it to frame me!!!!!!

She always resented I spent more time with MWO than her!!!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 May 2015 - 05:18 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 May 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

Of course. Gosh, you insufferable fool!

I'm also going to throw this out there.

Throwing your child under the buss in front of thousands of people just doesn't sit well with me. To me, that seems wrong. If this truly happened, I would think most parents would say to the general public that the ban was a mistake and that they are working with PGI to clear it up. Then in communications to PGI privately, they would try the whole "my kid's fault defense".

I think this is another reason I wouldn't buy the defense. Public shaming my child in front of thousands seems like an odd way to handle things.

Just my point of view though.

[TKSax]

Some of the comments in this thread are funny, like "none of the people I reported are on there or such". Well guess what there are people who are really that much better than you in this game, get over it.
I have been accused of hacking a couple of times in game and I am not even as good as the people I play with most of the time.
I am glad they have some sort of anti-cheat detection working and I am glad this is happening.
But as in other games I have been involved with your probably not going to see a lot of the top players banned, it its not worth the risk for them

[Insects]

Bush Hopper, on 28 May 2015 - 05:15 AM, said:

He should have said "his wife". We all know they can work wonders with your credit cards

Shush, dont give out such ideas.
There will be a bunch of MWO widows trying to get their husband banned intentionally!

[Mawai]

Felio, on 27 May 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

I would really like for there to be bans of team killers/injurers. I had a match today with one who said he's done it before and the only time he's been banned is for calling a dev a rude name to his face.

I don't know if he was telling the truth, but I think there have been enough stories like this that we can safely say there is at least a perception that team killers are not being banned harshly enough.

Report TKers and they will check the logs and ban them (depending on whether there are prior offenses it can result in a temporary or permanent ban).

How do I know? I reported someone early on in open beta for team killing before they had cleaned up their customer service systems and I accidentally received a copy of the email summarizing the actions to be taken against the offending player.

[Joseph Mallan]

TKSax, on 28 May 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

Some of the comments in this thread are funny, like "none of the people I reported are on there or such". Well guess what there are people who are really that much better than you in this game, get over it.
I have been accused of hacking a couple of times in game and I am not even as good as the people I play with most of the time.
I am glad they have some sort of anti-cheat detection working and I am glad this is happening.
But as in other games I have been involved with your probably not going to see a lot of the top players banned, it its not worth the risk for them

But you might see some. There are cheaters at every level of competition, MW:O is no different.

[CygnusX7]

Pretty sad.. some of those banned were pretty dedicated.
So dedicated they couldn't swallow being a mid grade player.

[Mr Beefy]

Felio, on 27 May 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

I would really like for there to be bans of team killers/injurers. I had a match today with one who said he's done it before and the only time he's been banned is for calling a dev a rude name to his face.

I don't know if he was telling the truth, but I think there have been enough stories like this that we can safely say there is at least a perception that team killers are not being banned harshly enough.

Nope.... from my experience back when we had the kill a dev event, I was playing against a team that had a dev on it, and seen a member on his team start to "team kill" him, took his leg off and proceeded to continue to fire at the dev, his team mate right out the gate. The guy got the ban hammer for doing it. I have also seen several names that I used to run into all the time, or quite often that I had fraps footage of them "team killing" or using a play style to ensure their team mates would get blocked in to take extreme amounts of fire from enemies.... I haven't seen these four players in drops in the last 6 months at least. Many players reported them, I also did, so it does work, just might take some time for PGI to sort out all the reports against a player.

I hate having to come across team killers in the game, but many that I have played with deal with it when it happens so we can get on to fighting the enemy team with the least amount of damage we can from a team killer right out the gate. Then, we report them, and I fraps almost every game so there really is no question as to a player that goes killer right out the start of the match. One of the guys I played against that must of got the ban several months ago, even changed his play style to come up behind players, so close that you could not see his blip marker on radar, and did this the entire match, ensuring that he boxed players in so they would take fire and couldn't move back out of the enemy fire. He was in a ECM spider, and would also shoot off some MG's in backs of team mates and myself while they was taking fire from enemies in the front.... He tried to play it off like he was providing ECM support, LOL.. Yeah, right.

I have several fraps videos, 5 in total of prior games played with this guy, and he opened fire out of the gate on team mates. He must of had a lot of people reporting him, so he changed up his style to "mask" his intent to team kill and grief his team mates, must of thought he could get away with it.

I would rather PGI investigates very hard the claims of Team killing, true team killing, like when a player does it right out the gate, then moves onto the next team mate and continues to kill members of his team or fires on them, if he lives long enough to continue to do so, before they just throw a ban down on a player. Accidents do happen, but the nice thing about fraps is that one can record the game and have proof of what really happened and what was said, and the intent of the accused "offender". This will help speed up the process I am sure when reporting a team killer. Most of the games I have come across team killers in, my team mates drop them like a bad habit when they open fire right at the start of the drop, and we move on to try to provide a match for the enemy even though we are down one mech or several mechs took damage. I have seen many games that even with us down a mech, if the team killer is killed or disarmed if able to do so and leave him for the enemy... we have still won the match.

One such game we had a Boom Jager drop with us, (dual AC20's) and he proceeded to fire on a Victor in the back right out the gate. He almost cored the Victor, lucky he didn't manage his heat and shut down before he could kill our team mate, and we proceeded to take his arms off, leaving him for the enemy team with no weapons. We won that match, regardless of the team killer trying to throw it and grief his team mates.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 28 May 2015 - 05:44 AM.

[TKSax]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

But you might see some. There are cheaters at every level of competition, MW:O is no different.

Some , not a lot , seems like we are saying the same thing. AKA small percentage.

Last time some one accused me a of cheating he harassed me all match, I simply told him if he thinks I am cheating report me to PGI, I am sure he is disappointing I am not on the list...

[Mawai]

xWiredx, on 27 May 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Any time I see a company post "we are 100% sure the people we are banning are cheaters" I immediately feel very unsure about them. 100%? You should feel very confident exposing your methodology if you're saying it's 100% correct, but I don't see any such post from anybody at PGI explaining it. I mean, much bigger companies with much more experienced people have made huge mistakes when smashing down the banhammer. We can't trust these guys with UI usability or hit boxes but we trust them to 100% for sure identify only cheaters?

It seems likely to me that whatever methodology is used by PGI to identify 3rd party software could be circumvented by the folks writing the code ... so PGI would have to develop new metrics on a regular basis if they made public the specific items that they can use to identify the use of 3rd party cheat software.

As a result, I expect that PGI will say absolutely nothing about what they use to identify such cheaters.

P.S. Macros, VOIP, playing well are NOT cheating ... wallhacks and aimbots are ... so I don't really understand the concerns of folks who aren't cheating. If you have installed programs that help you aim or let you see or target mechs that you normally could not then you are cheating.

P.P.S. My concern is how many cheaters may be missed by the 100% identification requirement .. that clearly sounds like the 99%'ers might be getting the benefit of the doubt.

[Joseph Mallan]

With exception of Bhael I don't know any of the banned!

[EvilCow]

It is very possible this is just a first batch and they are already "processing" more names from their list.

About the "how" they detect the cheats, it is best if it this is kept secret, any detail could be used for circumventing the system.

Edited by EvilCow, 28 May 2015 - 05:48 AM.

[Pirate King Redjack Ryan]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

He had no idea what she was doing you insufferable fool. They play the game from different accounts on different computers.

LOL, a well superwised child is making daddy proud. Wonder whose credit card was used to pay for the cheat?
Or just maybe he just couldn't resist seeing for himself how the thing works, should have stuck with internet videos.

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

Um with a user name like yours... I'd be careful. Then again you may just be trying to live up to the name...

His approach to discussion is lively and I applaud it. Nomen est omen.