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[Joseph Mallan]

the blake, on 28 May 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

had no idea .lol

Dude, first you cheat, then you lie.

[FlipOver]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Dude, first you cheat, then you lie.

Were you (of all people) expecting any different?

[RagingOyster]

Good. If you cheat, you get what's coming. As it should be.

[DaZur]

bad arcade kitty, on 28 May 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

these people routinely betray positions of their inactive teammates i.e. violate their teammates very real trust but as a bunch of hypocrites claim that cheaters, whom they probably never or almost never seen, violate some vague 'community trust'

There's a big difference between making a concerted effort to apply nefarious code to bypass game mechanics for the purpose of gaining advantage and calling out DC'd mechs or players running off to hide/power-down.

But you already know that...

Talis Thunder, on 28 May 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

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[GRiPSViGiL]

FYI: I wasn't banned I just don't play much anymore.

[Ovion]

Harathan, on 28 May 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

I recognised enough of the names that I laughed my ass off. Several holier-than-thou forum types we won't have to put up with any more. Shame to lose that many players, tho. It's not like we have many left.

Reminds me of Medal of Honor multiplayer. All of 60 people still playing that at any given time, and there's still people using aimbots. Can't understand that mindset.

There were at least 2-4000 people who participated in the Phoenx challenge + vote alone, let alone the non-phoenix participants.

Thousands bought Clan Packs, and it never takes very long to find a match that requires 23 other people.

There are a LOT of players, losing 60 odd cheaters is a better thing than not.

[Joseph Mallan]

FlipOver, on 28 May 2015 - 10:11 AM, said:

Were you (of all people) expecting any different?

Why of all people? I wear no halo.

[KHETTI]

Talis Thunder, on 28 May 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

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Completely uncalled for comment, talk about going overboard!.

Whats needed is an Appeals thread.
Basically the Accused gets 48 hrs to present anything that can prove their innocence, they can only log-in and post on that thread for said period.
PGI staff members are the only others allowed to post there, for the rest of us its read only, cases would be forbidden to be discussed elsewhere on the forum.

[Euphoric1RW]

bad arcade kitty, on 27 May 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

phhh

it frankly annoys me that people are more mad at cheaters than at team traitors, they blame cheaters but it's ok to them to betray the position of their inactive teammate, imo the second thing is like 100 times worse than using aimbot or wallhack

You are comparing apples to oranges, and getting off subject, that is another whole discussion. How do you know people are more mad at cheaters? I would have to agree, people who hide should be called out, especially on skirmish mode, don't make people wait so you can preserve you K/D, but like I said start a topic for that if you like.

[reign]

KHETTI, on 28 May 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

Completely uncalled for comment, talk about going overboard!.

Whats needed is an Appeals thread.
Basically the Accused gets 48 hrs to present anything that can prove their innocence, they can only log-in and post on that thread for said period.
PGI staff members are the only others allowed to post there, for the rest of us its read only, cases would be forbidden to be discussed elsewhere on the forum.

Appeal what, Do you even know how this was detected? Go look it up on reddit.

There is a few now coming out about it. It was very surgical, and very targeted at this very specific piece of software. You either had it or didn't.

PGI didn't want to tap on the fish tank to much.

Nothing needs to be defended here They were caught red handed, mainly because they didn't patch their cheat software.

And they are being told by the company again that it's undetectable again. Guess what in a few weeks we will have another wave, because its a tug of war game.

Edited by reign, 28 May 2015 - 10:23 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

KHETTI, on 28 May 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

Completely uncalled for comment, talk about going overboard!.

I agree that it's overboard, but I also understand the sentiment that inspired the response.

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Whats needed is an Appeals thread.
Basically the Accused gets 48 hrs to present anything that can prove their innocence, they can only log-in and post on that thread for said period.
PGI staff members are the only others allowed to post there, for the rest of us its read only, cases would be forbidden to be discussed elsewhere on the forum.

I disagree. At most it's something that should be taken up behind the scenes via private emails between the banned and PGI, and honestly, I'm not even sure that much effort should be expended by PGI, considering the efforts taken already to prove the cheating.

[chewie]

WoW

Good to know they are really picking up on dodgy stuff now.

Tough luck to those who did try and cheat.

[Apnu]

Talis Thunder, on 28 May 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

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This is worse than cheating. This is classic cyberbullying.

Cheaters suck and I'm glad they're gone. But never advocate suicide or violence against another human being. Especially over a F2P game.

Even if its a joke. Its never a joke, its never funny, don't fool yourself thinking it is.

Edited by Tina Benoit, 28 May 2015 - 10:56 AM.

[RussianWolf]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 10:14 AM, said:

Why of all people? I wear no halo.

horns more likely..

Edited by RussianWolf, 28 May 2015 - 10:44 AM.

[stevemac]

the blake, on 28 May 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:

so i shouldnt have the right to reply?

NO you should not you cheat end of story..... Thank you dont come again

Dimento Graven, on 28 May 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

Don't worry I'm sure it will be the ONLY time...

Trust me it gets old quick

[MischiefSC]

The funny thing about cheats is that it's a war of escalation that strongly favors the game devs - if they are willing to keep at it. I am pleasantly surprised to see how aggressive PGI has been about this.

Cheaters will make excuses. It wasn't me, it was someone else, it's all a big mistake, etc. Then you get the arguments trying to create doubt by assuming mistakes were made and relying on the devs wise choice not to reveal details that could be used to make catching future cheaters harder to imply it was somehow sloppy or arbitrary.

PGI nailed down some cheating accounts and will nail more down. People who cheat will get caught and they will try to pass it off as some big mistake and they will lie, then drill down on the lie with semi plausible excuses.

The problem with catching cheaters isn't being 100% certain - it's how often you have to give a pass to accounts you're only 95% on. If you're dedicated though you keep up on their telemetry and eventually nail down the last 5%.

Someone can make a bad decision and still be a good person. That doesn't mean they didn't make a bad decision.

[reign]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I am going to bring another side to this story, My character name was Seth Davion, now Seth Stin Exoria or in greek Σεθ Στην Εξορία which means Seth in Exile as I do not play with a unit anymore. Intro over, I have killed over 13000 mechs in my mechwarrior online time. I have played since the beginning and I have been accused of cheating on every match in the last few months. For high level players there is a risk that skill is being misconstrued as cheating and to be honest it is no longer flattering. I hope PGI are banning people based on statistical evidence that can be proven and not the vocal minority who stand still and wonder why players like me aim for the head. To elaborate on my method. I have dual monitors and images of every mech in the game with the approximate head location highlighted I have memorised them all so I can hit the head on most mechs that stand still or are moving in a predictable direction. I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots. Please stop accusing me of cheating or anyone else until there is evidence. I love this game and the community and I have been a part of it for a long time, "If we cannot find the whitch we will create one to burn" On paper players like me and others are being accused because we are experienced. I HAVE NEVER CHEATED AND NEVER WILL, I DO NOT NEED TO. I have practiced for literal years to be at the point I am at now and there are many others in the same position. Go into the training grounds a practice shoot and you will be able to hit time and time again that is how learned stop making baseless accusations. Or show me evidence.

In this case they set up a program that looked for the wall hack aim bot program. it was patched within minutes of being detected, but 64 people failed to patch their cheat program before logging in.

It was not about statistics, or any other thing you want to throw out there. The program was detected on the machine and the player was banned.

More to come.

[Mazzyplz]

BTW; to all the people talking about banning IP - that's INCORRECT.

the industry standard is to ban mac adress IIRC, because IP can change, most people have dynamic ip now, that's why it would not work.

by the way, another funny thing occurred to me; can you imagine a cheater - with his aimbot, constantly having his perfect aimed shots EATEN by invisible walls/terrain? bwahahahahah
that's a thing that happens to us all in this game, but of all the players, i think they would have the least idea of how to line up their hardpoint with the shot

[Satan n stuff]

Talis Thunder, on 28 May 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

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Seriously? That is just uncalled for. he got what he deserved and he'll be banned again soon enough, but this kind of crap just doesn't fly here.

[Dimento Graven]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

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I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots.
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I call that a good start...