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[Mister Blastman]

GRiPSViGiL, on 18 September 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:

Yes, that is what I said and I have no bones about it. Not as big a jerk as someone who reports coords though but still a jerk because jerky behavior deserves equally jerky trolling.

If you are worried about a mech being "locked down" you aught to budget your time better to be prepared for a 15 minute match when you hit the launch button.

Reported or not, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

It is one thing if the last pilot tries to flank, never shuts down and picks off the enemy one by one--it is another to run off and hide like a coward. Moderation action or not, reporting their position is the only honorable outcome to deal with cowardice. Dishonor is not met with honor.

[Mystere]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

It isn't about padding stats. Please. This is about etiquette. MWO locks your 'mech down until the game is over. If another player decides to go all the way to a remote corner of the map, power down and hide--they aren't trying to ambush anyone. They are trying to hide.

Based on what I have seen posted about this topic and seen in-game over the years, yes it is about easy kills -- in other words, stats -- for quite a number of people.

Also, you commented only about my last sentence. What about my first sentence (i.e. forcing the enemy to earn the last kill the hard way.)?

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

This is about letting those cowards die so other players can get their 'mechs unlocked and keep playing.

I myself would just quit and drop in another Mech. It's much much less drama.


Somewhat off topic ...

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

The needs of the many here outweigh the needs of the few.

Unless of course it's (the proverbial) you or your loved ones being offered as human sacrifice. I wonder what humanity would do if an overwhelmingly militarily superior alien species demanded 10% of the human population for food in exchange for never ever coming back again.


Something really off topic ...

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

You're a jerk if you report someone for reporting the position of a coward.

For some really really strange reason, I was reminded of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

Edited by Mystere, 18 September 2015 - 08:01 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

Reported or not, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

It is one thing if the last pilot tries to flank, never shuts down and picks off the enemy one by one--it is another to run off and hide like a coward. Moderation action or not, reporting their position is the only honorable outcome to deal with cowardice. Dishonor is not met with honor.

There is no needs of the many to consider when there is a win condition stating that the team with the most mechs alive wins at the END OF THE TIME LIMIT. Your opinion on cowardice is irrelevant concerning the issue. That is a you problem. Fact is the time limit is there for a reason. It ends the game. A winner is decided whether someone shuts down at 7 mins or not doesn't warrant calling their coords out, because they have 8 more minutes to decide what , how, and when to do something. They don't owe you anything, THEY get to decide how they play.

[InRev]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

You gotta be a total jerk to report someone for calling out the co-ordinates of someone that purposefully shut down to drag the clock out several minutes just to avoid dying.

How do you know why they shut down?

[Mister Blastman]

InRev, on 18 September 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

How do you know why they shut down?

I don't and I don't care. They shut down to avoid combat--they deserve a coward's death. Patton slapped the man but the man deserved the slap.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 18 September 2015 - 08:11 AM.

[Lugh]

Your time ( the cowardly shutdown no weapons guy) is no more valuable than the 23 other guys you are torturing with your shutdown.

Edited by Lugh, 18 September 2015 - 09:31 AM.

[Lootee]

If Patton radio'd the Imperial Japanese Navy and told them where to find US submarines rigged for silent running he'd deserve the gallows or firing squad.

PGI could fix this issue easily by shutting up dead players. But they won't because it makes far too much sense.

Edited by Lootee, 18 September 2015 - 08:16 AM.

[Mystere]

Lugh, on 18 September 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

Your time ( the cowardly shutdown no weapons guy) is no more valuable than the 23 other guys your are torturing with your shutdown.

Wrong. The 11 guys on the last guy's team are suffering from self-induced torture.

[Mister Blastman]

Mystere, on 18 September 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

Based on what I have seen posted about this topic and seen in-game over the years, yes it is about easy kills -- in other words, stats -- for quite a number of people.

Also, you commented only about my last sentence. What about my first sentence (i.e. forcing the enemy to earn the last kill the hard way.)?

Forcing the enemy to earn the kill the hard way is by flanking and shooting, not running, hiding and shutting down. I don't know about you but I dislike 12-2 stomps when I'm on the winning team. They're boring, they're worthless and hollow wins that are pointless and empty like a bowl full of marshmallows for dinner.

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I myself would just quit and drop in another Mech. It's much much less drama.

Yes, I do that often. But there are some folks in this game who don't have that luxury.

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Unless of course it's (the proverbial) you or your loved ones being offered as human sacrifice. I wonder what humanity would do if an overwhelmingly militarily superior alien species demanded 10% of the human population for food in exchange for never ever coming back again.

I'm pretty sure that humanity would not give up 10% of the population nor would they go hide in caves. Humanity would fight until the last drop of blood was squeezed from their veins that they had to give.

And those that did not... well... their fate would be far worse than simple death on the field of valor. Enslavement or worse would befall them. I would not want to be in their shoes.

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For some really really strange reason, I was reminded of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

Yes, that man was a coward and now he'll rot in prison for the rest of his life. We wasted how much time and money on his worthless carcass? How many lives were lost? Oh, that's right. Six. Six men and women were sent home in a box to their parents/brothers/sisters/wives--dead to rot with the worms for all eternity--so one breathing sack of carbon could be brought home that wasn't even willing to defend his own brothers and sisters at arms.

Yeah. No sympathy for him.

[InRev]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

I don't and I don't care. They shut down to avoid combat--they deserve a coward's death. Patton slapped the man but the man deserved the slap.

That's a pretty terrible example, considering both men (in real life) were suffering from battle fatigue, or PTSD in modern nomenclature. Now, if you want to go to the VA and call people suffering from PTSD "cowads" then be my guest. But don't be surprised if you get punched in the face. By the way, one of them also had malaria, while the other was suffering from dehydration and was running a high fever.

In other words, your example proves even further how baseless your point is.

Furthermore, in MWO terms, I have won matches through strategic shutdowns, whether by allowing conquest points to hit 750 or by setting up ambushes. "I don't care" is not a valid argument, so stop throwing a tantrum like a spoiled man-child because your mech is locked out of another match for 2 extra minutes, especially if you don't even know why an individual is doing what they are doing.

[Spleenslitta]

It's one thing to fight while moving around like crazy. It takes more of the spectators time than just fighting recklessly.
it's an entirely different thing to hide your mech and shut down when you know there is no way your mech will stay hidden for the matchs remaining 5-7 minutes.
All guys like that who just hide do is delay the inevitable for no gain whatsoever.

But the worst players is the TK'er and the Leech. TK's are obvious but the Leech is the dishonorable 2nd of the most annoying players in all of MWO.
The guy who hides till the match is nearly over doing nothing at all is much more frequently seen in matches.
I once saw a guy face a wall for the majority of the match and when there was only me and another guy left he started throwing abuse at his team.
He said all kinds of things and then died after doing +190 damage to the enemy.

I wish i died early in that match so i could have spectated him and reported him with loads of pics.

Edited by Spleenslitta, 18 September 2015 - 08:22 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

InRev with some pwnage! I couldn't add more than one like sorry. I would have if I could.

[Mister Blastman]

Lootee, on 18 September 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

If Patton radio'd the Imperial Japanese Navy and told them where to find US submarines rigged for silent running he'd deserve the gallows or firing squad.

PGI could fix this issue easily by shutting up dead players. But they won't because it makes far too much sense.

Hiding in a distant corner or volcano is not rigged for silent running! It is diving to the bottom of the Grand Mariana Trench, breaking open a bottle of charddonay and feasting on kebabs bathed in butter with skewered tomatoes while your mother, father, sister and everyone else thinks you are dead. You're hurting other folks lives (proverbially of course --dramatization) while you selfishly do for just your single self.

[Durant Carlyle]

If the last survivor is really wanting to not hand the bad guys an easy kill, he should suicide. The match ends, and nobody gets the kill. Win-win.

[Mister Blastman]

InRev, on 18 September 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

That's a pretty terrible example, considering both men (in real life) were suffering from battle fatigue, or PTSD in modern nomenclature. Now, if you want to go to the VA and call people suffering from PTSD "cowads" then be my guest. But don't be surprised if you get punched in the face. By the way, one of them also had malaria, while the other was suffering from dehydration and was running a high fever.

No, it is not. That coward was sitting in the infirmary crying his eyes out because he was afraid to pick up a rifle and fight with his other men. He had a capable body--he was fit to die like the rest of them?

What made him better than those other wounded men? What made him better than the other soldiers that went through bootcamp, only to be sent to the frontlines, like he was--and refused to back down? What made him better than those following orders, taking a bullet from not just America--but the WORLD. What made him better than his fellow soliders who were willing to die to stop the atrocities we all now know about it?

Why was that poor saps life better than everyone else? Why should he be allowed to sit and wail--to bemoan his own duty on a gurney while his friends are dying on the front lines?

What made his life better than his other soldier's lives--to their families, children and loved ones?

No--you're right... that was an extreme example. In most other cases he would have been sent to the firing squad and shot for desertion of duty in the line of fire--but Patton showed grace and poise--he allowed the man a chance to make things right. He allowed the man the honor to die an honorable death--or reprieve himself through acts of heroism.

Patton was a fine upstanding general and that Sir, was an excellent example.

Durant Carlyle, on 18 September 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

If the last survivor is really wanting to not hand the bad guys an easy kill, he should suicide. The match ends, and nobody gets the kill. Win-win.

That is the other best acceptable outcome. Seppuku, while cowardly, is swift, complete and makes things whole.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 18 September 2015 - 08:27 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

GRiPSViGiL, on 18 September 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

There is no needs of the many to consider when there is a win condition stating that the team with the most mechs alive wins at the END OF THE TIME LIMIT. Your opinion on cowardice is irrelevant concerning the issue. That is a you problem. Fact is the time limit is there for a reason. It ends the game. A winner is decided whether someone shuts down at 7 mins or not doesn't warrant calling their coords out, because they have 8 more minutes to decide what , how, and when to do something. They don't owe you anything, THEY get to decide how they play.

MY problem? Oh how you ARE arrogant! This is not my problem, this is the problem of twenty three other folks who are tied to their mouse and keyboard for some inordinate amount of time they otherwise could have been using in a far more productive manner!

This is not about me, Sir, this is about those other people in the game! This is about showing resolve and courage in the face of overwhelming odds and accepting the cold hard snake eyes--the rolled bones upon the cloth and grabbing the rusty dagger, the barbed metal plank and stoically shouting, "I WILL NOT BEND!", leaping out of the trench, charging headfirst into the hail of lead, thunder and death's head to suck on the sweet milk of everlasting dirt bedding.

This is about final glory! This is about hanging on to every bit of that precious life you have left and living it to the fullest! Tears are only tasted by you--but your laser, your hot plasma, your hardened ammunition--oh no, it is candy to the firing squad--every last puncture you inflict spills their sweet blood that can be lapped up by the carrion crawling beneath their feet.

Why shed tears for yourself when you can unselfishly share the fruits of carnage with everyone!

Edited by Mister Blastman, 18 September 2015 - 08:45 AM.

[Mystere]

Durant Carlyle, on 18 September 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

If the last survivor is really wanting to not hand the bad guys an easy kill, he should suicide. The match ends, and nobody gets the kill. Win-win.

There are those who really want the enemy who really wants that "all-important" last kill to work really hard for it.

[Mister Blastman]

Mystere, on 18 September 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

There are those who really want the enemy who really wants that "all-important" last kill to work really hard for it.

Making yourself a powered-down target is not working hard, no, it is being nothing more than a rotting Easter egg under a stump that isn't discovered for months and when it finally is, it stinks of foul ammonia as its soul--its will to live--to survive, to breathe and embrace life... left it... long, long before.

[Chuck Jager]

Just post that folks need to report AFK - it griefs them just as bad. They will usually threaten something else that is way outside TOS and many state laws

[Mister Blastman]

I feel dirty doing that. The moderators have enough on their plates as is to deal with folks powering down to avoid combat when it can be settled by the warriors themselves in the drop.

I wish the rules would be amended to allow for that.