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Repasy, on 21 November 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

No, it's because lasers are easymode. Literally click & kill. No adjustment required for travel time or drop off, so it will always be infinitely easier to do more damage with lasers than anything else.

You do need to account for beam duration though.

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Of course, PGI was trying to fix this by introducing the lock-on requirement for full damage output w/ lasers, but you all just HAD to fight it. That SINGLE-HANDEDLY would have fixed balance for this game!!!

Wow, that is some serious delusion there. I guess if PGI went ahead with some arbitrary nonsense range penalty for lasers then people would start using SSRMs, SRMs, flamers, machine guns, AC2 that runs ridiculously hot, ER PPCs that move way too slow to bother using over PPCs, LRMs that still get countered by the magic jesus box, etc...

Oh wait, you're just stupid.

[Hotthedd]

Lightfoot, on 22 November 2015 - 01:11 AM, said:

Well no. Group-Fire is what differentiates MechWarrior from Quake, Duke Nukem, Hawken, Front Mission, etc. It's mandatory that the Battlemechs in a MechWarrior game be able to shrug off Group-Fire as normal and not some sort of exploit. Group-Fire mode is normal mode in MechWarrior. That's how the game is designed. I have suggested overlapping hit-boxes for a long time really to diffuse the damage, but even then the mech's armor is too thin in general. Your mech is a tank with multi-layered sloped armor that deflects and absorbs large amounts of damage and MWO has never played like that.

You could say Single-Fire mode should grant some kind of greater cooling buff or maybe Group-Fire rocks the mech with kick-back, but given the ability, in MechWarrior players will primarily use Group-Fire.

So you are completely unable to see the flip side of your own point? 'Mechs are too weak, but weapons are just right and it couldn't be the other way around? Reason would say that either position is equally valid.

Group fire is fine. Perfectly precise group fire is broken. Of course it is "normal mode", because there is no advantage in NOT doing it. (That would be a textbook example of a flawed mechanic) Yes, MW:O is designed that way, and that is a mistake. Previous MechWarrior games were flawed in the exact same way, but they were all designed as single-player games, and the A.I. never complained.

Why add something convoluted like overlapping hit boxes when there is a canon solution that works? To me, imprecise alphas would be better than ghost hit boxes. In the BattleTech universe Alpha strikes were possible, but precision was never expected. In MW:O it is routine, and IMO, a crutch.

You might find that with a bit of spread from multiple weapons being spammed at once that "Mech durability is where it should be.

[Rampancy]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 21 November 2015 - 10:48 PM, said:

No it wouldn't have. Not even close

They need to get rid of auto convergence. That's the real issue.

Banshee, Tbolt, Hunchback, King Crab, Battlemaster, etc. are still great mechs with near-pinpoint capability without convergence.

No convergence would shift the meta mechs around, but it would ultimately serve to amplify the differences between the haves and the have-nots of mech viability.

[Mystere]

Scoops Kerensky, on 21 November 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

Well notice he said 'make'. If you have a shoddy artist with the best materials in the world you're still only going to get garbage.

Isn't that what PGI has been allegedly "doing" for the last 3+ years and the player population is still dropping?

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

RampancyTW, on 22 November 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Banshee, Tbolt, Hunchback, King Crab, Battlemaster, etc. are still great mechs with near-pinpoint capability without convergence.

No convergence would shift the meta mechs around, but it would ultimately serve to amplify the differences between the haves and the have-nots of mech viability.

The convergence is the ability to put all the damage into a singular pixel, which is how mechs like the wubshee are so devastating because the size of the alpha. Imagine if mechs like the wubshee had fixed convergence for their torso mounts? Fire off an alpha and instead of all the LPLs and MLs going to the same spot hit two different spots. Like the left torso lasers hit the left side of the circle and the right torso lasers hit the right side of the circle. So if the pilot wants to put all his damage into a single component, he has to break his alpha up into two separate shots in order to do so.

[CainenEX]

cSand, on 16 November 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Now that's a petition I'll sign!

Consider me signed. We need moderators to start removing this kind of nonconstructive drivel.

[JigglyMoobs]

What i don't understand is: how does someone spend $2K on a video game? For $2K you can almost build a real life Mech cockpit.

[Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law]

JigglyMoobs, on 22 November 2015 - 11:09 AM, said:

What i don't understand is: how does someone spend $2K on a video game? For $2K you can almost build a real life Mech cockpit.

Poor impulse control and a need to pretend they are space facists

[Mystere]

JigglyMoobs, on 22 November 2015 - 11:09 AM, said:

What i don't understand is: how does someone spend $2K on a video game? For $2K you can almost build a real life Mech cockpit.

Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law, on 22 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Poor impulse control and a need to pretend they are space facists

$2K is less than pocket change to the 1%.

[van Uber]

Gyrok, on 16 November 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

None of the MW3/MW4 games specifically stated "A BattleTech Game", nor were they billed as "A thinking man's shooter", or "a FPS mech-sim".

Oh yes they did. On every game from MW2 and onwards you could find the little "Battletech" stamp of approval somewhere on the cover, it was in plain sight on the MW2 titles, but was moved to the back on MW3 and onwards:

http://www.mobygames...eCoverId,18133/

[Grugore]

Raggedyman, on 17 November 2015 - 04:40 AM, said:

It's a Battletech game.

Get over it, and get over yourself




I would legitimately consider asking you why you've spent so much money on a game that you are clearly deeply unhappy with

Sorry. This is not a Battletech game. It's nothing more than a mech shooter. Dime a dozen. You wouldn't know a real Battletech game if it slept with you. Not that it would ever lower itself that way.

[Bishop Steiner]

Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law, on 22 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Poor impulse control and a need to pretend they are space facists

and yet it's totally ok when someone spends 2K on star wars figures, or starbucks lattes over a course of a year.....

while I don't support the OP, how one spends, or wastes their money, if they have it, is their business, not yours.

Everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE, wastes stupid amounts of money on frivolous things that give no real return, every year. Half the people who comment about it are either extreme tightwads (which are always the life of the party) or just jealous because they don't have the ready cash to spend that way themselves. (of course, on the internet, everyone is a rich doctor/lawyer former special ops operator, etc, and thus have the moral high ground..... when most are working at starbucks or mcdonalds in actuality)

Get over yourself.

Grugore, on 22 November 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

Sorry. This is not a Battletech game. It's nothing more than a mech shooter. Dime a dozen. You wouldn't know a real Battletech game if it slept with you. Not that it would ever lower itself that way.

Officially licensed and sanctioned (and advertised) by the holders of the IP, (Catalyst Game Labs, TOPPs and Microsoft) kind of makes it more legitimately "Battletech" than your opinion, hate to burst your bubble.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Mystere, on 22 November 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

$2K is less than pocket change to the 1%.

Hell, $2K is my rent for 5 months... And I have high rent for where I live...

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 November 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

and yet it's totally ok when someone spends 2K on star wars figures, or starbucks lattes over a course of a year.....

while I don't support the OP, how one spends, or wastes their money, if they have it, is their business, not yours.

Everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE, wastes stupid amounts of money on frivolous things that give no real return, every year. Half the people who comment about it are either extreme tightwads (which are always the life of the party) or just jealous because they don't have the ready cash to spend that way themselves. (of course, on the internet, everyone is a rich doctor/lawyer former special ops operator, etc, and thus have the moral high ground..... when most are working at starbucks or mcdonalds in actuality)

Get over yourself.

Maaaaannnn... I got a friend whose wife drops over $5K a year on Starbucks coffee. He recently picked up a second job because they were having trouble making ends meet. Now he works 70 hours a week. And I thought my buying habits of $20 a week on booze were bad...

[JigglyMoobs]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 22 November 2015 - 12:22 PM, said:

Hell, $2K is my rent for 5 months... And I have high rent for where I live...

lol im jealous. Thats like a month and 10 days of rent where i live...

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 22 November 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

Maaaaannnn... I got a friend whose wife drops over $5K a year on Starbucks coffee. He recently picked up a second job because they were having trouble making ends meet. Now he works 70 hours a week. And I thought my buying habits of $20 a week on booze were bad...

your friend and his wife need an intervention, for the sake of their marriage.

[JigglyMoobs]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 22 November 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

Maaaaannnn... I got a friend whose wife drops over $5K a year on Starbucks coffee. He recently picked up a second job because they were having trouble making ends meet. Now he works 70 hours a week. And I thought my buying habits of $20 a week on booze were bad...

yikes. Hopefully the wife is really hot?

[Grugore]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 November 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

and yet it's totally ok when someone spends 2K on star wars figures, or starbucks lattes over a course of a year.....

while I don't support the OP, how one spends, or wastes their money, if they have it, is their business, not yours.

Everyone here, and I mean EVERYONE, wastes stupid amounts of money on frivolous things that give no real return, every year. Half the people who comment about it are either extreme tightwads (which are always the life of the party) or just jealous because they don't have the ready cash to spend that way themselves. (of course, on the internet, everyone is a rich doctor/lawyer former special ops operator, etc, and thus have the moral high ground..... when most are working at starbucks or mcdonalds in actuality)

Get over yourself.


Officially licensed and sanctioned (and advertised) by the holders of the IP, (Catalyst Game Labs, TOPPs and Microsoft) kind of makes it more legitimately "Battletech" than your opinion, hate to burst your bubble.

Wrong again. I've been playing Battletech since day one. I got the mechwarrior expansion the day it came out. I've run scores of campaigns, lasting several months.
Battletech is all about the lore. MWO has none.
Mechwarrior was all about salvage. MWO has none.
When I was in the Navy, some friends and I got together and started a tabletop game. I forget how many players we had, but each team had a batallion of mechs. All of them were painted lead miniatures. The game lasted almost three days. We had a blast. I can't remember the last time I had fun playing MWO. It does not live up to the concept or the spirit of the original game.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

JigglyMoobs, on 22 November 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

lol im jealous. Thats like a month and 10 days of rent where i live...

The standard of living in MS is really low. REALLY low, like about $13K a year kinda low. I lived just outside of city limits on a lake and payed $310 for 1800sq/ft of apartment. The problem is our economy is really weak and our infrastructure is around 20 years behind the rest of the nation.

And people that move here from the likes of larger cities generally hate it since many of the younger ones are used to clubbing, partying, going shopping, et cetera all the time and MS doesn't offer much of that. I, on the other hand, love it because I'm always camping, hunting, fishing, hiking, kayaking, shooting, and such. I only make about $14K a year working part time (20 hours), doing the Army National Guard, and going to school, but I live pretty comfortably and not left wanting.

So I quite like it here, but it definitely ain't for everyone.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 November 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

your friend and his wife need an intervention, for the sake of their marriage.

I've told him that. They've only been married a year now. I got a response from him along the lines of "You wouldn't know, you're not married." I left it at that and when he brings up marriage woes I tell him to can it since he shot down my advice.

JigglyMoobs, on 22 November 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

yikes. Hopefully the wife is really hot?

Oh yeah, drop dead gorgeous. But the moment she opens her mouth your brain begins to commit suicide one cell at time from the sheer idiocy flowing from her mouth. She didn't know what a swastika was or the Nazzi party of Germany was... I tabbed out early that night and went to another bar...

[Bishop Steiner]

Grugore, on 22 November 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

Wrong again. I've been playing Battletech since day one. I got the mechwarrior expansion the day it came out. I've run scores of campaigns, lasting several months.
Battletech is all about the lore. MWO has none.
Mechwarrior was all about salvage. MWO has none.
When I was in the Navy, some friends and I got together and started a tabletop game. I forget how many players we had, but each team had a batallion of mechs. All of them were painted lead miniatures. The game lasted almost three days. We had a blast. I can't remember the last time I had fun playing MWO. It does not live up to the concept or the spirit of the original game.

and again, just because it doesn't measure up to your opinion, is actually irrelevant. I've also been here playing the TT game since the beginning. Totally irrelevant. Doesn't give me any special entitlement claims.

As long as it measures up to the license holders. World ain't all about you.

Don't like it? Sorry to hear. Lorts disagree with you. Best thing to do at this point? Go play something you do like instead of trying to convince everyone to be as miserable as you apparently are.