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[Kjudoon]

If lrms were so easy and potent they would be the meta becauwe the meta is all about easy mode efficency.

But they arent because it isnt easy mode.

Edited by Kjudoon, 27 December 2015 - 10:00 PM.

[MischiefSC]

I'm game with whatever speed works. If it's going to have a locking mechanic it need some negatives like speed, etc. but I'm okay with whatever works.

LRMs in TT were bad too. Inferior. I think that because of how many legs the have to balance on though they have the potential to be a great weapon. Just needs approached realistically on how stuff in a game like this works. It needs to be primarily direct fire.

[ChewBaka]

Sandpit, on 27 December 2015 - 09:57 PM, said:

I expect my TEAM to not abandon me, just like I don't for them
You can argue that I'm in the wrong here, but I'm willing to bet that any "respected" players are going to agree with me here.

Any "respected' player also understands that some mechs need to be sacrificed for a win.

If that player was in a brawling Atlas, he might not exactly have been abandoned. Some of us would have stood with him in a rear-guard position as is needed in a proper NASCAR. Rear guard usually dies in such strategies. Its called taking one for the team.

But since we knew he was using LRMs, off we went.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

And that attitude won't get you any respect. Are you seriously saying you expect the entire team to adjust to YOUR specific playstyle, just because you like playing one sort of mech?

It was a spur of the moment decision, as it tends to be with PUGS. Someone saw the oppurtunity for a NASCAR and led the charge. The rest of us followed. Of course, this means the slow mech gets left behind. It was a valid strategy. It won the day.

The other team also attempted a NASCAR. It didn't work out so well for them.

NASCAR happens. You don't like it, don't play a fatlass LRM Atlas.

I'm an LRM humper...I LOVE LRM atlas....

Know why I originally started using it?

That's right....b/c I got tired of not shooting all game while I chased nascar guys on my team that were using me as bait.

YOU CREATED THAT WHICH YOU MOST DESPISE

*obligatory mwaa ha ha ha*

Edited by The Atlas Overlord, 27 December 2015 - 10:02 PM.

[Sandpit]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

NASCAR happens. You don't like it, don't play a fatlass Atlas.

mhmmmm
so tell me again how exactly is a fatass Atlas (regardless of weapons) supposed to move fast, given that with the largest engine possible it tops out at 62 or so KPH

yea, you're going to be real well "respected" with that attitude lol
gl&gh sir
hope to see you in-game some time

[Kjudoon]

Winter that is not a straw man. I have seen se eral people demand that lrms be made essentially into longrange streaks or ballistic weapons in functionality.

You say it isnt. Okay define the difference betwenlen direct fire lrms and a clan lb20x for example. If you say guidNce you are requesting ludicrous streak 20s with 1000 meter range.

Yes i have seen thse requests made seeiously in threads. It is incumbent 9n you to show this is a strawman.

[ChewBaka]

The Atlas Overlord, on 27 December 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

I'm an LRM humper...I LOVE LRM atlas....

Know why I originally started using it?

That's right....b/c I got tired of not shooting all game while I chased nascar guys on my team that were using me as bait.

YOU CREATED THAT WHICH YOU MOST DESPISE

*obligatory mwaa ha ha ha*

Play a faster and more flexible LRM boat next time. I'm not saying I'm entirely against LRM boats. I just don't think too highly of players who want to drive a slow-*** one and ask for locks.

This is the only LRM boat I am driving at the moment:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e115ecad58be561

I stick with the team (for the most part) and provide both direct and indirect fire. I take my fair share of hits too. Unless my team really is that good, I usually end most games with about ~60% armor. Occasionally have one side blown off too.

Sandpit, on 27 December 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

mhmmmm
so tell me again how exactly is a fatass Atlas (regardless of weapons) supposed to move fast, given that with the largest engine possible it tops out at 62 or so KPH

yea, you're going to be real well "respected" with that attitude lol
gl&gh sir
hope to see you in-game some time

You think it was just me? The team didn't even talk to each other. Aside from rolling their eyes at an Atlas asking for locks at the start. And than the NASCAR happened, as is typical with Caustic.

I actually even try to talk people out of NASCAR when the Assault lance drops at the far end. I just didn't bother this time around, not when our only slow Assault is a LRM boat.

An Atlas asking for locks is never respected in-game. Nobody bats an eye at a Catapult boating LRMs, but seriously...you find me ONE player of any notable standing who thinks a LRM boat Atlas is a damn good build.

Its great for the occasional PUG games, sure...but when you're up against decent opposition than you're nothing but a liability.

[Sandpit]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 10:18 PM, said:

Play a faster and more flexible LRM boat next time. I'm not saying I'm entirely against LRM boats. I just don't think too highly of players who want to drive a slow-*** one and ask for locks.

This is the only LRM boat I am driving at the moment:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e115ecad58be561

I stick with the team (for the most part) and provide both direct and indirect fire. I take my fair share of hits too. Unless my team really is that good, I usually end most games with about ~60% armor. Occasionally have one side blown off too.


You think it was just me? The team didn't even talk to each other. Aside from rolling their eyes at an Atlas asking for locks at the start. And than the NASCAR happened, as is typical with Caustic.

I actually even try to talk people out of NASCAR when the Assault lance drops at the far end. I just didn't bother this time around, not when our only slow Assault is a LRM boat.

An Atlas asking for locks is never respected in-game. Nobody bats an eye at a Catapult boating LRMs, but seriously...you find me ONE player of any notable standing who thinks a LRM boat Atlas is a damn good build.

Its great for the occasional PUG games, sure...but when you're up against decent opposition than you're nothing but a liability.

no, it wasn't "just you" notice I said scummy playerS as in plural

[ChewBaka]

Sandpit, on 27 December 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

no, it wasn't "just you" notice I said scummy playerS as in plural

You know, there are many who will also define a LRM boat Atlas player who asks for locks as being "scummy".

Consider for a moment the state of the current meta, where few good builds involve any significant face-time with the enemy and often involve hit-and-run tactics.

You are in a mech with the most armor in the game, and somehow you expect your teammates to face-tank on your behalf to get locks.

Think about that for a moment, and you will realize why I say LRM boat Atlai get no respect.

Make use of that armor and weather out some damage to get your own locks. That's how you get respect as a LRM boat Atlas. Asking for locks in one is just asking for ridicule.

[Sandpit]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 10:43 PM, said:

You know, there are many who will also define a LRM boat Atlas player who asks for locks as being "scummy".

really there aren't
I've never
ever
EVER
heard of a player here called another player scummy or anything along those lines for running a lurm Atlas.

Like I said, it was scummy to do that and I'm not worried about not being "respected" by players who do that, because I know that the players I DO take into consideration when it comes to wanting their respect agree with just about (if not word for word then in theory) on everything I just said.

It's scummy
It's sh*tty

I don't care what your OPINION on "speed" "good builds" etc. are you purposefully ruined another player's game experience because you and your team wanted to be little dbags.
period

[ChewBaka]

Sandpit, on 27 December 2015 - 11:00 PM, said:

really there aren't
I've never
ever
EVER
heard of a player here called another player scummy or anything along those lines for running a lurm Atlas.

Like I said, it was scummy to do that and I'm not worried about not being "respected" by players who do that, because I know that the players I DO take into consideration when it comes to wanting their respect agree with just about (if not word for word then in theory) on everything I just said.

It's scummy
It's sh*tty

I don't care what your OPINION on "speed" "good builds" etc. are you purposefully ruined another player's game experience because you and your team wanted to be little dbags.
period

Oh really? I purposefully ruined another player's game experience? You never considered you might be doing the same?
Its just all about you, isnt it?

Let me ask you back one simple question - why can't you play a better mech? Why can't you play a role that is more useful to the team instead of ruining the experience for everyone else by playing a mech that is dependent on your team to scout and lock for you?

You see, it goes both ways. If you have a right to dictate how I play, than I also have a right to dictate how you play. You want me to get locks for you, I want you up front brawling with the enemy and distracting them while I snipe. Who is right and wrong in this matter? You'd like to think you are right and I am wrong, won't you?

The truth is neither is right. Such is the nature of a PUG. You want the right to dictate how people play, go form a team and play a group game.

[Hades Trooper]

Extremist Pain, on 26 December 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

MechWarrior is a team game. Im not sure where this belief that supporting your team is too much. For example, i was just asking for locks in a game and i was told to get my own locks. Im sorry if asking for a contribution is too much, but if you dont feel like being a member of the team, dont play a team based game. You think you can win this game without my help, go ahead and try. Ill enjoy watching you fail.

yes do get your own locks, asking the team to keep los and take damage so u can toss a few lrms comes across as entitled.

Nest time, say to the team this - "If you want some lrm support, hold a lock and i will help you"

[;us you should have your own beagle probe and a tag, otherwise your just a drain, not an addition

[Kjudoon]

Sand... That makes me deliberately want to bring my cruddy loyalty atlas with 20lrms instead of 20srms. Of course its "backup weaponry is 3 lpls and a huge std engine with max armor.

Its fun... And is why i like staying tier 4. You can do that and not be falsely accused of ruining someone elses game.

On the otherhand it is NOT an ideal loadiut for an atlas.

And now we show once again why battle value must be incorporated into the game and matchmaking

[ChewBaka]

Kjudoon, on 27 December 2015 - 11:17 PM, said:

Sand... That makes me deliberately want to bring my cruddy loyalty atlas with 20lrms instead of 20srms. Of course its "backup weaponry is 3 lpls and a huge std engine with max armor.

Its fun... And is why i like staying tier 4. You can do that and not be falsely accused of ruining someone elses game.

On the otherhand it is NOT an ideal loadiut for an atlas.

And now we show once again why battle value must be incorporated into the game and matchmaking

That isn't really a LRM boat anymore now, is it? And you can take care of yourself to an extent if the team happens to leave you.

My beef with him is his expectation that the team must adjust for him so as not to 'ruin his experience'. No. We all play how we like to play.

He likes to play a LRM boat. Fine. However, I'm not fond of playing a mech that involves getting significant facetime with the enemy.

He and I are not ever likely to work well with each other. I don't try to tell him what to do. What gives him the right to tell me what to do?

Do I hit 'R'? Always. Can I promise I will hold it? Nope.

[Kjudoon]

No its not a purist lrmboat because atlai cant be made into one really. You can go with the lrms instead of an ac20 or gauss and wreck face with backup weaponry and that the atlas can sport in spades. Works well with 3 erll for more toys and engine power.

[Sandpit]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

Oh really?

yes really, no need for me to continue arguing it with you. have fun gl&gh

[ChewBaka]

Kjudoon, on 27 December 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

No its not a purist lrmboat because atlai cant be made into one really. You can go with the lrms instead of an ac20 or gauss and wreck face with backup weaponry and that the atlas can sport in spades. Works well with 3 erll for more toys and engine power.

I think my other point with him also is that he seems to think that the team must play to his benefit instead of taking advantage of a winning strategy - even if it means leaving some teammates out to hang and dry.

It just happens. While I would say that intentionally abandoning teammates is a bad idea, doing so when it will lead to an advantage is a good idea.

He thinks otherwise. I absolutely disagree with him. I don't mind dying for my team if it results in a win. I don't actually mind being used as bait as long as the team took advantage of the situation.

[Mystere]

Wintersdark, on 27 December 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:

And Mystere, while I really respect your opinions, this is a case where you're meaning well but venturing into very dangerous territory:

You should know well that trying to do that would be totally suicidal for MWO. There are barely enough players for matchmaking as things stand, fracturing the playerbase more - and this would essentially double the number of buckets of players - would totally destroy any sort of matchmaking for everyone.

So, no, PGI doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to do such a thing, because it would be (from a purely business standpoint) suicide. Hell, they weren't even willing to give us another game mode while we still hard hard game mode selection ability, because just adding one more bucket there would have impacted things too negatively.

The solution is actually already right in front of everybody's eyes I can't believe most don't even see it: get rid of the public queues and split and distribute them to the Training Academy and Solaris. For crying out loud, they were meant to be just fillers, not "The Game". But sadly they have become a "major feature" along with a number of other fillers that also ended up as such (i.e. current skill tree).

Vickinator, on 27 December 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Is there a law where you learn to not post on the forums and maybe move up in the tiers so you can get better. You should follow that law.

Oh look! Here's someone using their "nothing but an experience bar" to put down someone.

[Sandpit]

ChewBaka, on 27 December 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:

I think my other point with him also is that he seems to think that the team must play to his benefit

lol

[ChewBaka]

Sandpit, on 27 December 2015 - 11:42 PM, said:

yes really, no need for me to continue arguing it with you. have fun gl&gh

Wow. So you're allowed to dictate other people's fun while others can't. Whatever than. Good luck to you too.