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[JaxRiot]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

Didn't say you were, I also never said anythign about players just goofing off or farming cbills. I also never said anything about
players goofing in "bad" builds
new players
noobs
"bad' players
low skill players
tier ratings
groups
premades
PUGs
12mans
Testing new builds
"training drops"
Just playing "dumb" (Ramboing, etc.)
So now that we've cleared that up, maybe you guys can stop mentioning them since they have absolutely no bearing, basis, or context on anything I've discussed in this thread.

If some of you can't understand the difference between nature of doing somethign with malicious intent to ruin an experience for others and the above list, that's on you, but they still have no relevancy to anything I've said in this thread

Sweet!

Now that we cleared up what you arent talking about....

what exactly are you talking about?

I mean specifically. Because you still havnt said and that list covers a lot.

I mean, Ramboing and playing Dumb could be considered malicious too since they arent as interested in the Team Win as much as they are their own satisfaction and will be playing the way that they want to.

Edit- And to be clear, Im not trying to be rude or disrespectful. I actually am trying to figure out what exactly are these Malicious activities you are talking about.

Edited by JaxRiot, 29 December 2015 - 06:08 PM.

[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

what exactly are you talking about?

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

doing somethign with malicious intent to ruin an experience for others

Such as:
Running around in circles firing at nobody
Running around the entire edge of the map not participating
Sitting in the spawn and never moving
Running around in a mech that is truly "bad" in that it carries no offensive weapons
Ejecting early in a match because you're "bored" due to the team not charging in in under 2 minutes
Getting indignant and literally screaming at people on VOIP because they "dared" offer advice, to a DIFFERENT player

I could go on and on and keep making the list longer but hopefully that gives a more clear definition of the types of players I'm talking about.

Edited by Sandpit, 29 December 2015 - 06:21 PM.

[JaxRiot]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

Such as:
Running around in circles firing at nobody
Running around the entire edge of the map not participating
Sitting in the spawn and never moving
Running around in a mech that is truly "bad" in that it carries no offensive weapons
Ejecting early in a match because you're "bored" due to the team not charging in in under 2 minutes
Getting indignant and literally screaming at people on VOIP because they "dared" offer advice, to a DIFFERENT player

I could go on and on and keep making the list longer but hopefully that gives a more clear definition of the types of players I'm talking about.

Wow... and these are things you see in Public queue? Regularly?

I mean, Ive definitely seen people get crazy on Voip, and have seen a few people running around the edges of the map not doing much (if anything) but they are usually trying to snipe or be a spotter.

I have also seen people sitting in spawn, but the vast majority of those are disconnects. Very very seldom do I see it done on purpose just to be AFK although I do admit that it sure seemed that way a couple of times.

And Ive seen a grand total of One eject that was done on purpose at the beginning of a match.

Not saying those things dont happen, but I definitely dont see them regularly if at all.

I wonder how much of that list do other players see regularly?

It would be a shame, but it is possible that you sir, might just have tragically bad luck

[Sandpit]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

Wow... and these are things you see in Public queue? Regularly?

I mean, Ive definitely seen people get crazy on Voip, and have seen a few people running around the edges of the map not doing much (if anything) but they are usually trying to snipe or be a spotter.

I have also seen people sitting in spawn, but the vast majority of those are disconnects. Very very seldom do I see it done on purpose just to be AFK although I do admit that it sure seemed that way a couple of times.

And Ive seen a grand total of One eject that was done on purpose at the beginning of a match.

Not saying those things dont happen, but I definitely dont see them regularly if at all.

I wonder how much of that list do other players see regularly?

It would be a shame, but it is possible that you sir, might just have tragically bad luck

I see them (and have over the last 2 weeks) regularly enough to have posted a thread about it

I never said this is "widespread" or the "normal" MWO experience for everyone, I simply stated I was tired of it and will block, mute, and report anyone doing it and highly encourage others to do the same

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

Sweet!

Now that we cleared up what you arent talking about....

what exactly are you talking about?

I mean specifically. Because you still havnt said and that list covers a lot.

I mean, Ramboing and playing Dumb could be considered malicious too since they arent as interested in the Team Win as much as they are their own satisfaction and will be playing the way that they want to.

Edit- And to be clear, Im not trying to be rude or disrespectful. I actually am trying to figure out what exactly are these Malicious activities you are talking about.

apparently, its that playing the game is griefing, as evidenced by the last page lol

JaxRiot, on 29 December 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

Wow... and these are things you see in Public queue? Regularly?

I mean, Ive definitely seen people get crazy on Voip, and have seen a few people running around the edges of the map not doing much (if anything) but they are usually trying to snipe or be a spotter.

I have also seen people sitting in spawn, but the vast majority of those are disconnects. Very very seldom do I see it done on purpose just to be AFK although I do admit that it sure seemed that way a couple of times.

And Ive seen a grand total of One eject that was done on purpose at the beginning of a match.

Not saying those things dont happen, but I definitely dont see them regularly if at all.

I wonder how much of that list do other players see regularly?

It would be a shame, but it is possible that you sir, might just have tragically bad luck

its also a LOOOOOOT of new ppl right now. And I'm guessing the OP is tier 3 aka the "why are there tiers again?" tier

[Sandpit]

and again, please don't entertain the resident troll, just let him keep bumping the topic for us

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

man, I cant even play cw right now its such ****. At least in pub matches I can have fun cause its not gonna be the same 11 man groups of the same guys seal clubbing pub groups all day long.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Never mind, I think I know hoe you feel. I just was in a pub game where I literally told the rest of my team four times where the enemy was, dropped a UAV and SHOWED them where they were, then got killed by their entire team, but my team decided to chase one light while they got slaughtered from behind -.-

I had to log off for the night because ppl are just too stupid right now

[Clint Steel]

I have not run into anyone performing so obviously bad yet myself, but I agree that is shouldn't happen.

One thing I think is somewhat related, and might even mitigate people trying to game PSR is multipliers applied to each players Mech that either raise or lower your PSR while piloting that specific Mech.

I think that people who would want to lower their PSR are the same people who want the Mech they play with to have good stats, so they would "tank" a game with a different Mech than what they use in their serious matches. If each Mech had its own multiplier, this would mean they would have to tarnish the stats of their "good" Mech to lower it's PSR.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Clint Steel, on 29 December 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

I have not run into anyone performing so obviously bad yet myself, but I agree that is shouldn't happen.

One thing I think is somewhat related, and might even mitigate people trying to game PSR is multipliers applied to each players Mech that either raise or lower your PSR while piloting that specific Mech.

I think that people who would want to lower their PSR are the same people who want the Mech they play with to have good stats, so they would "tank" a game with a different Mech than what they use in their serious matches. If each Mech had its own multiplier, this would mean they would have to tarnish the stats of their "good" Mech to lower it's PSR.

mind you theyd have to do this a thousand or so times in a row for that to work last I heard from pgi

[Not A Real RAbbi]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

Never mind, I think I know hoe you feel. I just was in a pub game where I literally told the rest of my team four times where the enemy was, dropped a UAV and SHOWED them where they were, then got killed by their entire team, but my team decided to chase one light while they got slaughtered from behind -.-

I had to log off for the night because ppl are just too stupid right now

I did two CW PUG drops last night, just to work up one more rank before ditching Ghost Bear tonight for FRR. First one, NO S**T, we had a guy ask, in all seriousness, what to shoot at. And that's against an organized and skilled opponent, with a 2-man and 10 PUGS on our side. The opponents were gracious enough to suicide-run their beat-up mechs toward the end, and that was kinda classy I think.

Second drop was almost as bad. I got killed out early, so I did a lot of spectating. Easily every third or fourth mech on our side was a TRIAL. Similarly organized and skilled opponent, two 2-mans and 8 PUGs on our side. You KNOW you've been slaughtered, when RAbbi has most kills on your side in a CW drop and was the first four-and-out. Also, had one pilot just ejected his mech every drop. Not sure if he was farming LP, or just non-participating because it can suck getting rolled like that.

Whatever. I was there for the LP and CBills and free giveaway stuff, and it worked just fine for me. And, do you know what? I didn't HAVE to take it seriously to have fun, even on the losing side of a VERY lopsided rollololol.

Sometimes, NOT taking a VIDEO GAME too SERIOUSLY, really is okay. Otherwise, as Joshua said back in the day, "The only winning move is not to play."

[Almond Brown]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

and i'm fine with that. you want hard mode go CW. pub games don't matter
stuff

Then why is it easier in CW to get "points" @100 MS with 4 Mechs, than it is in PUG where 1 Mech requires a 150 MS? Always wondered wtf caused that thought to become a thing...

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Almond Brown, on 30 December 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Then why is it easier in CW to get "points" @100 MS with 4 Mechs, than it is in PUG where 1 Mech requires a 150 MS? Always wondered wtf caused that thought to become a thing...

then why do ppl think (including the devs I might add) that CW is hard mode?

[Monkey Lover]

I hope you dont block me sandpit hehe but i don't think pug games matters at all.

I take my crapy mechs i would never bring to group q/CW.
99% of the time no one works with each other.
There are zero tactics.
I end up seal clubbing the lower tiers.
Very few people will help other team mates. You would never get away with this stuff in group Q.


So in the end to me pug Q is for cbills and xp. You try to win because you get more Cbills/xp but it doesnt matter. Heck most people dont even stick around to see what side wins. This should say you something.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM.

[Zoid]

Those are the same idiots who would play a pickup basketball game and shoot at the wrong basket, just for lols.

You want to screw around, go play a solo game. That's what they're for. Being legit bad is one thing, being bad just because you want to fool around is very different.

[RhymenoserousRex]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 29 December 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

Never mind, I think I know hoe you feel. I just was in a pub game where I literally told the rest of my team four times where the enemy was, dropped a UAV and SHOWED them where they were, then got killed by their entire team, but my team decided to chase one light while they got slaughtered from behind -.-

I had to log off for the night because ppl are just too stupid right now

eh, it's a pug game, not like it really matters.

[Tarogato]

Sandpit, on 29 December 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

Such as:
Running around in circles firing at nobody
Running around the entire edge of the map not participating
Sitting in the spawn and never moving
Running around in a mech that is truly "bad" in that it carries no offensive weapons
Ejecting early in a match because you're "bored" due to the team not charging in in under 2 minutes
Getting indignant and literally screaming at people on VOIP because they "dared" offer advice, to a DIFFERENT player

I could go on and on and keep making the list longer but hopefully that gives a more clear definition of the types of players I'm talking about.

Ayyyyyyyy, now you're making sense. You should have put this in your OP, probably would have saved six pages of strife.

Edited by Tarogato, 30 December 2015 - 12:04 PM.

[Jman5]

Lemming of the BDA, on 28 December 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Not you or anyone else has ANY right to tell ANYONE how to enjoy their MWO expierience. As long as they dont violate the TOS, people can play however they like. Others may think its a dumb waste of time and say why does that person even play? But its just a game. We all play for our own reasons.

Sure they do. They have the right to tell you how to play, that you're doing it wrong, and you're bringing down the team. They might even be right. However, you always have the right to tell them to stuff it, and do what you want.

Edited by Jman5, 30 December 2015 - 12:29 PM.

[WarHippy]

Lemming of the BDA, on 28 December 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Not you or anyone else has ANY right to tell ANYONE how to enjoy their MWO expierience. As long as they dont violate the TOS, people can play however they like. Others may think its a dumb waste of time and say why does that person even play? But its just a game. We all play for our own reasons.

I'm all for people playing how they want which is why I'm against tonnage restrictions and against voting etc.. However, you do need to make a legitimate effort to win the match. Losing is perfectly fine so long as everyone tried for the win, but deliberately screwing around just because it is a pub match interferes with the ability for other players playing with and against you to enjoy the game. Coming up with strange builds to try is fine for example, but running around with four flamers and four machine guns ten games in a row is not an example of someone making a legitimate effort to win and participating in the game.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RhymenoserousRex, on 30 December 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

eh, it's a pug game, not like it really matters.

qft

Jman5, on 30 December 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Sure they do. They have the right to tell you how to play, that you're doing it wrong, and you're bringing down the team. They might even be right. However, you always have the right to tell them to stuff it, and do what you want.

and they have the right to tell you not to bring lrms because "youre a hinderance to the team" lol