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[Davers]

Mcgral18, on 07 November 2016 - 11:13 AM, said:

They are an issue though, in how terrible one of them is.


In MWLL, I'll use LRMs (...mostly because I'm forced to), because they don't have hard counters.
Lock happens with any LoS mouse-over-target, and while both varieties of Jesus Boxes affect lock duration, neither stop locks.


The Magic Jesus Field is what keeps MWO LRMs from working as direct fire weapons, without sacrificing a ton for tag, facetime (due to not being F&F) and another X tons for Artemis (half lock duration, not Terribad spread).
Angle of fire is also a factor, as cLRMs come out pretty much straight in MWLL (with little to no min range)
Naturally, MWO can't have that part



They deserve a place in the game, but they'll never have one.

Even before ECM they weren't good weapons. Lock on, always hitting weapons will never be competitive. They are more of a teaching tool about positioning then they are weapons.

[Mystere]

MischiefSC, on 07 November 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

So when Solaris FFAs show up and the exact same comp players are completely dominant, then what?

Are we going to go back to 'it's TEH HAXX!' accusations?

Because as a couple people in this thread clearly show the reality that some people are better at the game and understand balance better than others isn't going to sit well.

What I love is the idea that being a 'tryhard' and using 'the meta' is somehow supposed to be an insult. It's like trying to mock someone by calling them successful.

I do hope you realize my post works both ways, right?

[MischiefSC]

W E N D I G O, on 07 November 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

Maybe meta is most often tagged on the unbalanced stuff. Isn't the KDK3 meta? Didn't you want a KDK3 balance effort being made? So you are surprised by people who do not understand the game, them being "potatos in scrub tier" and all that buzz, to understand that comps need to use what they themselves call "crutchmechs" despite being the superior pilots with superior understanding of the game as they themselves put it, to pull of a clear win? Didn't one of you argue you "gotta bring the best Mech possible" or you are "one of those people" who don't? Maybe there are people out there who can walk without a crutch. Or they prefer to not use one despite knowing they could do "better" when using one. In the end it also boils down how you perceive being called tryhard since that is usually just a measurement for your personal ambition. MWO meta can every player google for and find a comprehensive list. It's more of an accomplishment to not limit yourself to that stuff and get decent results than what most people do. So maybe that's teh reason people feel mocked, sicne they are aware? Right? Right.

Most (I'd guess nearly all) comp players are almost OCD about using what works best. Some of that is practice; you want to practice with the best tools to build the right habits. Some of it is just not enjoying using something you know is even a little inferior.

There's no accomplishment in limiting yourself, just a display of contempt. Also learning bad habits.

A lot of people who avoid the meta do so because it lets them justify not putting in the effort and energy to get better. That applies to a lot more than just the game; pick a job, look at the employees, the majority who are there are at or below 'average' and have a myriad of excuses for why they can't/shouldn't/won't get better at their job.

[RestosIII]

MischiefSC, on 07 November 2016 - 08:24 PM, said:

Most (I'd guess nearly all) comp players are almost OCD about using what works best. Some of that is practice; you want to practice with the best tools to build the right habits. Some of it is just not enjoying using something you know is even a little inferior.

There's no accomplishment in limiting yourself, just a display of contempt. Also learning bad habits.

A lot of people who avoid the meta do so because it lets them justify not putting in the effort and energy to get better. That applies to a lot more than just the game; pick a job, look at the employees, the majority who are there are at or below 'average' and have a myriad of excuses for why they can't/shouldn't/won't get better at their job.

Are you legitimately saying that I'm a lazy sod that just wants to complain because I avoid meta builds and run mostly lore setups?



I can get better at the game without duct-taping crutches onto my arms. It's slow, hard work, but I feel accomplished when I get a 700 damage, 3 kill match in my Mad Dog A config, that I would NOT get from a 1k+ damage game in a KDK-3 or similar "meta" loadout. So sod off with that nonsense.

[meteorol]

W E N D I G O, on 07 November 2016 - 10:51 PM, said:

Then better get to tier 1. Soon. And spare me your excuses. You are all talk and don't even cover the basics. Potato.

Yeah he better fills that XP bar to show everyone how good he is.

Edited by meteorol, 07 November 2016 - 11:57 PM.

[Gaden Phoenix]

Like death, everyone gets there sooner or later.
Pro tip though, playing Group Play ensures the "later", but prepare to die for fun.

Edited by Gaden Phoenix, 08 November 2016 - 12:59 AM.

[STEF_]

I've just met a KDK with 4 erLL.... he managed to do 162 dmg.

So, yes... OP must be right, KDK is not OP at all.......

[DivBy0]

Are you serious?

Hopeless :-(

Edited by von Haudegen, 08 November 2016 - 02:58 AM.

[STEF_]

von Haudegen, on 08 November 2016 - 02:51 AM, said:

Are you serious?

Hopeless :-(

yep.


it's the kdk-5. 4erLL...trying to snipe at distance.

I assume it's the definition of potatoness.

Btw, I had fun searching for datas in leaderboard: it's very fun to see the results of those ones stating KDK is not OP.
LOL
Yea, it's hopeless

[Jikil]

There is no assault that even comes close to the speed and firepower of the KDK-3.

The other 100 ton clan assault literally gets picked apart with its awful hardpoint locations and boxey shape.

On the innersphere I would say the only thing close is the MX-90 but clan auto cannons are just so much more devastating than the mauler could ever get.

What other assault can match this mech? None of the other kodiaks thats for sure.

I don't know how to fix the kodiak without downright nerfing the KDK-3 though. I think the other kodiaks are fine, just the one stands out too much.

[DivBy0]

KDK3, Long Tom, Skillcrow-Mode, #MapGate, Rescale-Nerf, 3rd Person Event... I coudn´t bear it any longer.
Since I in fact quit FP (and take longe breaks from stupid QP) life gets better. As long PGI don´t fix their stuff and the complete broken (destroyed!) balance any effort is for vain... but I am sure the next "innovations" will be as terrible as the "innovations" of the last 9 month.

[DivBy0]

The problem is, that he is an IS-Mech with Clan-Tech, no Engine-Cap and to many high mountpoint.
The KDK-3 is the death of the game. You can not nerf him with quirks. You must remove some of his Hardpoints and give him an enginecap. Or you remove him from the game entirely! Many games have got such issues. But only PGI don´t fix it for 6 month.

Jikil, on 08 November 2016 - 03:57 AM, said:

I don't know how to fix the kodiak without downright nerfing the KDK-3 though. I think the other kodiaks are fine, just the one stands out too much.

[AphexTwin11]

von Haudegen, on 08 November 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

The KDK-3 is the death of the game.

Mr. Dramatic over here

[Gattsus]

TercieI, on 04 November 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

Not likely. The fact that it has quirks is idiotic, but they're mild and removing them won't dethrone it.

it would be a step in the right direction~

[DivBy0]

No drama at all. I am beyond this point. And look at the map and the stats and then think about your dramabashing again.
And I think further, that I have once more fullfill my duty as forumwarrior and go on holidays until next month.. cu

AphexTwin11, on 08 November 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

Mr. Dramatic over here

[Zergling]

Stefka Kerensky, on 08 November 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

I've just met a KDK with 4 erLL.... he managed to do 162 dmg.

So, yes... OP must be right, KDK is not OP at all.......

I saw a LRM boat + 2x Large Pulse Laser Kodiak the other day. I caught him at close range and he just stared at me firing his lasers; he didn't try to spread the damage by torso twisting at all, allowing me to easily core him with my Thunderbolt.


Other terrible Kodiaks I've seen:
6x Medium Pulse and nothing else. Was overheating badly on an arctic map, so he must have been running a standard 400 engine. Ran off alone to enemy cap, died to a pair of enemy lights while doing less than 100 damage.
5x Medium Pulse and a single Gauss. Hid in the cave on Forest Colony most of the battle, before coming out after realizing enemy team was ignoring that location, then did about 150 damage before dying.
KDK-3 with 3x ER PPC and 2x Gauss. Must have been using a 300XL or smaller with standard structure. Did about 200 damage before dying.

Edited by Zergling, 08 November 2016 - 08:11 AM.

[AphexTwin11]

von Haudegen, on 08 November 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

No drama at all. I am beyond this point. And look at the map and the stats and then think about your dramabashing again.
And I think further, that I have once more fullfill my duty as forumwarrior and go on holidays until next month.. cu

I've thought long and hard, and I still think you're a silly goose. First rule of forum warrior is to torso twist.

Edited by AphexTwin11, 08 November 2016 - 08:19 AM.

[DivBy0]

Silly goose? And I think you are an incompetent troll and not worth my time

AphexTwin11, on 08 November 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

I've thought long and hard, and I still think you're a silly goose. First rule of forum warrior is to torso twist.

[AphexTwin11]

von Haudegen, on 08 November 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

Silly goose? And I think you are an incompetent troll and not worth my time

That was a quick holiday! Is it next month already? PGI plz buff holidays

Edited by AphexTwin11, 08 November 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[Dee Eight]

AphexTwin11, on 08 November 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

Mr. Dramatic over here

Mr dramatic who's only been here 1 weeks longer than I have.

Edited by Dee Eight, 08 November 2016 - 12:01 PM.