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[Danjo San]

Peiper, on 05 May 2017 - 12:34 AM, said:

They should have given us a choice in the first place. This is nothing new for them, or us. It's either poor planning, or a deliberate snub. There IS a good chance that they did this hoping or knowing the numbers between clan and IS players are even and they want to make sure they stay that way, at least as long as they can. It's all speculation what is going on in their planning. But let's say there are fewer IS players - that should make getting a group easier. Why would I join the clans if I knew the queues would be longer? That goes both ways. I honestly think the IS has the advantages these days, and if we're going to mathhammer/meta the game, the overall odds are in favor for the IS. If I simply wanted to win, or an easier time playing, I'd consider staying with the IS for this event. Ever since the thunderwub, the IS has had the advantage on most maps, I believe. If there's a hot debate about that, it probably means performance is even, and that's even better.

Someone suggested our faction switch appeal sounded fishy. That's fair. Like when MS switched contracts that one time.... If I were the leader of a big unit, sure. But believe me, if I can get a dozen players of all different skill levels to show up and play, that's a victory in my book, no matter how good or bad we do.

As far as 'if they do it for you, they have to do it for everyone.' Well, yeah, that would be fair.

As far as queue numbers. Remember in the last two Tukayyids, we were all seperate houses and clans. That's not the case in the queues anymore. I don't think finding matches will be as big a problem as it was in the past for smaller houses/clans. But only PGI has the numbers, it's back to speculation.

Not knowing the numbers, it's back to MEANING, which is what I've always argued for in the game. Why should we do anything in CW? Because what we're doing MEANS something. That's why I keep advocating for adding raids, supply line interdictions, mech factory raids, sabotage missions, planetary assets (when you take a certain planet, your faction gets this or that perk), combined arms, all kinds of stuff to flush out community warfare. In this case, the ONLY meaning we have is the meaning we make. For us it's playing with our friends, and not against them. The friendships we make are all that we'll have left years from now. Let us fight with our friends!

The last two tukkayids had a single queue. the only difference being that you couldn't invite anyone into your group who wasn't part of your faction.
for the last tukkayid they allowed units to switch allegiance and lots did and many criticized PGI for that. Maybe they learned from it.
http://mwomercs.com/...id-stats-part-2

[Burning2nd]

So i just stay where im at and do what?

Kill things?

Do i have to play faction stuff to be a part of this? Im totally confused... can someone give me the breif'n in the mechbay? we are about to be planet side, and the commander gets pissy when we dont get off the ship fast enough...

[Danjo San]

Peiper, on 05 May 2017 - 12:43 AM, said:

And there's the next question, right? Should the machinations of a few big units be reason to punish the rest of us? Then again, PGI created the system. They could change it/fix it. The fair thing to do is reset contracts.

oh, don't get me started on big units
and the problems they created since the release of community warfare...

Burnin2nd, on 05 May 2017 - 12:51 AM, said:

So i just stay where im at and do what?

Kill things?

Do i have to play faction stuff to be a part of this? Im totally confused... can someone give me the breif'n in the mechbay? we are about to be planet side, and the commander gets pissy when we dont get off the ship fast enough...

you are a loyalist, fight for your faction. simple as that

[Reza Malin]

Peiper, on 04 May 2017 - 09:34 PM, said:

If it were the Battle of Tukayyid, we'd pick Wolf because 1. Comstar is our enemy and 2. We are wardens.

Except you are Liao? You can't claim to be so devout to the lore that you are entitled to change contract prior to events, yet not devout enough to play the faction you feel is "right".

One of the major issues with FP is that there is no faction balance due to merc units who play whatever angle that suits them each week.

If there was less emphasis on Mercs, except for only supporting loyalists, rather than driving the entire war effort, more people would play loyalist, and more loyalist units would be around.

As it stands, the faction population balance is constantly changing, and there is zero consistency. This makes for an awful environment to try and play in, especially for newer players.

[Reza Malin]

Danjo San, on 05 May 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

The last two tukkayids had a single queue. the only difference being that you couldn't invite anyone into your group who wasn't part of your faction.
for the last tukkayid they allowed units to switch allegiance and lots did and many criticized PGI for that. Maybe they learned from it.
http://mwomercs.com/...id-stats-part-2

If they haven't, there is basically no point in picking a faction other than for which meta you want to use. In which case running a lore based event is a joke.

Factions are completely irrelevant, they are about as important as decals right now.

[627]

can't stop laughing about these walls of text explaining why someone *needs* to change faction... drama drama

I like that this event didn't get a long standing anouncement so everyone could switch to clans. And in the end it is just another event like we have every two weeks, just some bigger rewards than usual.

Best thing by the way is that it is the final tukayyid battle and we can move on from here.

Edited by 627, 05 May 2017 - 01:13 AM.

[Reza Malin]

627, on 05 May 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

I like that this event didn't get a long standing anouncement so everyone could switch to clans.

Essentially this.....

627, on 05 May 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

can't stop laughing

And this.

[slide]

Here's a solution for all those "Mercs" like Pieper and his crew.

Give them the contract change to the faction of their choice, BUT make them loyalists in that faction. Then they can't play both sides against the middle. (and yes I am very aware of what it will cost them to leave later, cant have your cake and eat it too)

As it stands this event is going to be considered a joke anyway. Having a good portion of the player base being able to change side part way through just makes any kind of result completely void. I'll put it like this. The Miami Dolphins go to the Superbowl against the Giants. At half time the Dolphins have a 2 touch down lead. During the half time show both teams swap uniforms and go back out to play. The Giants make a miraculous come back and with the game. But who actually won?

[Marius Romanis]

DIRECT0R, on 04 May 2017 - 11:59 PM, said:

No cookies??? A you serious PGI?? Im dont need this Factions **** in my cockpit.
MC cash only plz, maybe mech or mechbay.
No cookies ? => no players!!!! Remember this PLZ!!!

Stop looking at overview and click personal challenge, dont worry your the 3rd person to post making that mistake in this thread, (just another example of how clear PGI make things lulz)

[Felix von Buelow]

Peiper, on 04 May 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

How do we pick a faction for the event. Sure as hell my Devil Dogs won't be playing Liao. We just happened to have the contract at the moment. We will be playing as Wolves or not at all. Do I need to send a ticket into support?

Hey Peiper,

a thing that might fit with your lore AND doesn't include a contract reset:
Clan Wolf landed on Tukayyid 5 days after Clan Smoke Jaguar due to their bidding, which included their most elite galaxies.
That means, just sit out the remaining time on your Liao contract and join the battle of Tukayyid later, like Clan Wolf did in lore.
(Source: http://www.sarna.net...pare_for_Battle)

Edited by GhostNemesys, 05 May 2017 - 02:11 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Vellron2005, on 05 May 2017 - 12:25 AM, said:

To all the people who are against contract resets:

OK, so I guess it's ok they don't reset the people who's greed got the better of them.. It will weaken the clans on some occasions, but ok.. we will adapt..

But tell me this?

What if you did not choose the wrong faction willingly? What if you chose it because of a WRONG CLICK? What if you are a new player, choosing a faction contract as a mercenary for the FIRST TIME, and you had NO IDEA you could not break said contract?

Or that you can't play any mech with any faction?

Wouldn't it be ok if your contract was reset then?

Well.. exactly this happened to a new player I care very deeply about, and now she's stuck in Marik, and only has clan mechs..

Naturally, support services flatly said that "they don't reset contracts, and that merc contracts can only be borken by disbanding the unit"..

She disbanded her unit, and now can't get into a new one unitl her Marik contract is released, which is after the FULL CONTRACT DURATION..

How fair is that?

Note that the ticket was sent maybe half an hour after the wrong click.. and now she can't participate in Tukayyid until maybe the last day or two..

I ask you.. HOW FAIR IS THAT?!

No wonder this game can't pick up new players.. :-(

if you are THAT new that you accidently clicked the wrong faction, well sorry but then you have many other issues, and you cna still swap factions towards the end. Honetsly, When someone knows that less about FP (s)he is better not there as there is so much stuff going to rain bad experience over him/her anyways.

And int he end there are still tiral mechs or did a patch disallow choosing them for the dropdeck?

In the end she did 2x a bad decision, choosing the wrong faction and then disbanding the unit. FP isn'T the "nice" mode and not even meant for new players. I doubt she will have fun over the course of this event.

FP isn't meant to "pick up" new palyers, thsts what quickplay is good for. And people who smash confirm buttons without reading are basically bringing these " how fair is that" situations to themsleves. She should be sad not beeing that unaware in real Life otherwise a load more and worse "how fair is that" situations could strike her.

Edited by Lily from animove, 05 May 2017 - 02:12 AM.

[Krucilatoz]

A thread of upcoming battle, and most the thing in it is a wall-of-text full dramas people begging to change factions?

Are you really honest that your motives for the lore / morale standing / friends ?

Or, you just feel stand on the wrong side and need to switch side?

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anyway, this is a good event, a lot of stuff to grab.
Maybe, add extra difficulty such as "Super Legendary", or "GET A F***** LIFE" for playing 100 FP matches?
And put some ridiculous reward, maybe a title, or put their names on MWO announcement page hall of fame

[Peiper]

GhostNemesys, on 05 May 2017 - 02:09 AM, said:

Hey Peiper,

a thing that might fit with your lore AND doesn't include a contract reset:
Clan Wolf landed on Tukayyid 5 days after Clan Smoke Jaguar due to their bidding, which included their most elite galaxies.
That means, just sit out the remaining time on your Liao contract and join the battle of Tukayyid later, like Clan Wolf did in lore.
(Source: http://www.sarna.net...pare_for_Battle)

You are brilliant. I'll give you props on this one.

It doesn't solve my problem in hoping my unit can rank up in the leaderboards, though.

But man, your response is A+++!

Krucilatoz, on 05 May 2017 - 02:52 AM, said:

A thread of upcoming battle, and most the thing in it is a wall-of-text full dramas people begging to change factions?

Are you really honest that your motives for the lore / morale standing / friends ?

Or, you just feel stand on the wrong side and need to switch side?

If you knew me, you wouldn't have to ask that question. I'm a total nerd, and as laid back about competition as I am passionate about Battletech.

Edited by Peiper, 05 May 2017 - 02:59 AM.

[Colonel ONeill]

Free choice on contract - check
Taking a contract the unit does not like - check
Complaining in the forums - check
Making it look like it is PGI fault - check

some guys are just lol

[Dracol]

Peiper, on 05 May 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

It doesn't solve my problem in hoping my unit can rank up in the leaderboards, though.

Did a true motive for the request to switch contracts finally slip out? Is clan tech the only way the dogs think they can compete? Find out next time on As MWO Turns.

[Nimnul]

I love CW events.

[ShooteyMcShooterson]

Looking forward to this. Yay!

[Jurosik]

Colonel ONeill, on 05 May 2017 - 03:01 AM, said:

Free choice on contract - check
Taking a contract the unit does not like - check
Complaining in the forums - check
Making it look like it is PGI fault - check

some guys are just lol

Funiest thing is that he actualy has much more options as mercenary. He can leave his unit anytime he wants without penalty join or even create new Wolf clan unit right now something loyalists cannot do.

[D V Devnull]

Well... there's no "InB4ThatDVDevnull" posts? This is unfortunate! Too late now, I guess! (Sorry, had to get that one out of my system... LOL!!!)

Anywho, I'm personally glad a "Battle of Tukayyid 3" Event arrived. Heck, I even like most of the rewards, particularly the large chunk of 'Supply Keys', and already plan on being out on the battlefields. Anyway, we all know I'm one for usually constructive critcism, so I really should get to it...

So, I then tripped on that blasted "7 Days Active Premium Time"... I am now in hope that either Matt Newman, Tina Benoit, Alexander Garden, or all three of them will read this post before the Event begins. I think there should be an option to click as to whether you get that, or the 1250(MC) (perhaps up to 1750, if bought all as separate days, but I'm not aiming to be excessive here) it would have taken to purchase it in the first place. Those of us with Real Life issues standing in the way of proper use of Active Premium Time really NEED the choice, instead of being forced to let a helpful resource get slid past our fingers without any real use. Frankly, this makes me a little salty seeing this happen again, instead of offering a choice.

Then I went to the "Battle of Tukayyid 2" Event Page. This is where I got 'PTSD-grade' depressed. The Inbound "Tukayyid 3" Version has no awards of generalized Side-specific 'War Horns'/'Paint Colors'/'Hanging Items' to be earned by individuals, unlike the awesomeness of the Previous "Tukayyid 2" Version. These would have been great to give to people, in addition to what's currently listed. Heck, I personally really appreciated being able to collect some of my first War Horns and other Cockpit Items from "Tukayyid 2", even as short as that one was. It's going to be sad, not being able to complete the set which I was aiming to finish, and would have liked to see everyone really have the chance for... Can we perhaps get a kind addendum to the Event where these get added in, PGI?

Then I took one last look at the "Tukayyid 3" Version, and found what told me that PGI actually hates the Clans, instead of Quirk-Buffing both sides properly and setting the Drop Deck Tonnage back to 250/50 all around. They're just giving the Inner Sphere the Win/Victory on a Tie! What is so wrong with them that they can't simply award BOTH Sides with all their proper Win/Loss (or Victory/Defeat, if you wish to refer to them in that manner) banners if a Tie happens? I'm sure some people would like to have a few more for their Mech Cockpits, and there's no worth in PGI making a negative stigma against themselves!

I'm also regretful to hear that this will be the last Tukayyid-set Event. It would have been nice to have more after the Upcoming 'Civil War' Tech additions arrive. This means we're going to have yet one more piece of unshareable history that later newcomers can't experience.

~Mr. D. V. "And there's my worthwhile thoughts set on the table... See you all at the Event..." Devnull





[Minor Edit by Post Author for a Missed Thought.]

Edited by D V Devnull, 05 May 2017 - 03:59 AM.

[MovinTarget]

So much salt from mercs... funny...

Heck i am a merc and even i laugh at the salt...

There is next to *zero* reasons to be a loyalist so let them have their week and keep chasing cbills like we always have...