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[An6ryMan69]

This does seem to explain some of the magical blue lasers hitting me through what looks like blocked foliage.

And since I'm no fan of bad visibility and have no patience for what should be fragile foliage that blocks my view BUT is impervious to damage (I'm looking at you Emerald Vale and Viridian Bog), I'm likely going to give a try to removing as many nonsense items as possible, as per the video.

It would be better, and maybe more fair to casual players though, if all this could be toggled easily from within the game.

[Kodan Black]

I had tweaked some user.cig things a while back from a DATA video where he explained how to better tune stuff so it gets better FPS without losing anything crucial. It did give me a small boost (10% maybe) and I was happy. Though now I think based on geeram’s video having gone into settings since maybe I did nothing as that apparently resets it — could be why I wasn’t that moved based on what I saw.
But this really brings to light how I was getting shot at long distances through vegetation on maps like Bog when I couldn’t see them. Without the vegetation that makes it much easier to see! Kinda sucks that it seems like my choices are to either allow others an advantage by using this or doing it myself and feeling like I’m participating in something inappropriate. Tweaking to gain FPS is fine to me, but removing visual items beyond what the game would allow seems over the line.
I’m glad geeram brought this to light. Not sure what PGI does from here if they really are unable to fix it, but at least we are all now aware. I mean, I’m old and still need to gitgud, but now at least I know it isn’t 100% my fault.

[Ken Harkin]

I am a casual player and have been for many years. Does PGI intend these objects to be selectively rendered? I don't know and I would wager they do not either. It is a very small percentage of players who are going to muck around with config for an advantage. They also happen to be some of the most competitive for whom in their value frame anything which gives them an advantage is fair game. As a result you get some of the hardest playing, most invested players, the true 1%ers, doing everything possible to win at all costs and hammering the public majority into the ground.

It isn't good and it is not a model which supports the game.

Does PGI care, do they intend to do something, can they even do something with the people and skills in place? I don't know but I do know if they can't support this I cannot support them with my money on this or other projects. I hope they make the correct decision for the community.

[Weeny Machine]

The Brewer, on 05 September 2023 - 08:48 AM, said:

Hypocritical how exactly? I think I am missing at least one of your points. And you missed mine entirely so I’ll help you out.

Say it’s a race PGI organized. The rules allow racing slicks. Many of the top drivers use them.

You’ve shown up with street tires, and are having a bit more trouble in the corners. Then, you hear one of the best drivers describe his tires, and how he’s using them to maintain an edge - all according to the rules.

This is like showing up, complaining to the organizers that everyone else is using slicks while you aren’t. Not only that, but using the words “cheater” and “low life” to describe the users of the slicks. They’re not against the rules. Not only that, the top drivers are also saying “hey, lap times are getting really low and we need to restrict tires to street legal ones so everyone can be on the same level.”

I hope this helps because I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

I didn't miss your point but you obviously miss that...
1. Why didn't PGI make this publically known? I gave you the answer in the thread before. So, despite it is "legal", it is fishy if you are honest

2, By all means they should have their "race". My point was, though, that this race is not run in the appropriate race track - the faction play, which they already ruined, but on the local motorway where dudes who drive home from work with their Fiat Pinto get bullied by Ferraris.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 05 September 2023 - 10:03 AM.

[Ihlrath]

The Brewer, on 05 September 2023 - 08:48 AM, said:

Say it’s a race PGI organized. The rules allow racing slicks. Many of the top drivers use them.

Many of the top drivers use them and *tell no one else about the fact they're using slicks*

There, fixed it for ya. That exact reason is why GeeRam is catching flack from the 'elites' of the game because now everyone knows they're using slicks and are likely going to start using slicks themselves. I've already noticed a HUUUUGE shift in balance in most the games I've played since this was made known to the full player base. So yeah, now that *everyone* can use racing slicks for this little scenario you postulated it's less craptastic and most even.

However, the way you put it ignored the fact that 90% of the population was unaware this could be done.

[foamyesque]

Me, I've never thought success in a video game is worth my self-respect.

I guess opinions vary.

[W4R GOD]

I applaud his efforts and screw the people who crap on him for sharing this information .Maybe PGI will fix it or maybe they wont but at least we all now have a chance to manipulate the same settings with a tutorial that is easy to follow.

[The Brewer]

Weeny Machine, on 05 September 2023 - 10:01 AM, said:

I didn't miss your point but you obviously miss that...
1. Why didn't PGI make this publically known? I gave you the answer in the thread before. So, despite it is "legal", it is fishy if you are honest

2, By all means they should have their "race". My point was, though, that this race is not run in the appropriate race track - the faction play, which they already ruined, but on the local motorway where dudes who drive home from work with their Fiat Pinto get bullied by Ferraris.

1. They did. It’s in the TOS and stickied above this post.

2. Faction is not for beginners, there’s a built in disclaimer for the mode. And if QP population was higher, we wouldn’t be ending up “on the same track” when it’s obvious we should not, and neither of us want to be anyway. There’s naught I can do about that.

To hear some of you talk, it’s as if config files are the only reason these guys are playing at a high level. Force everyone not to use configs and I figure the main difference you’ll see in the game is lower population, because lots of us who are using them are making the game run passably on old hardware, or looking more brilliant than “very high” allows. I don’t suppose you’ve spoken to any of them yet?

[The Brewer]

A E T H E R, on 05 September 2023 - 12:03 PM, said:

I've never hear so much ******** in all my life. Keep telling yourself that - old hardware is the lamest excuse I've ever heard to need to hack the game like this.

I would rather bring people up than knock them down and out for whatever reason. GeeRam too, I suppose.

Perhaps watch the video and see what you can and can’t do.

[The Brewer]

A E T H E R, on 05 September 2023 - 12:17 PM, said:

I've simply no idea what you mean and how your statement follows from mine. I've watched the video and tried it - what comes across very strongly is that this is hacking, that many have known about it and it's been kept largely in closed circles. The question is why has this been leaked now?

I know many will say you can Google for it but the simple thing is most people won't want to Google 'how do I hack MWO to inflate my Jarls rating?'. That's also a ******** excuse too.

And my final point is that the consensus is that it is unknown what is possible by editing the user.cfg. It may be possible to do more heinous things than remove fog, trees, lilipads and extend visual range.

Try explaining this to anyone that does not play games and they will immediately answer - "That's cheating" - because that is exactly what it is.

As I’ve said before, I and many others want what’s able to be changed in this file restricted. To call it hacking or cheating at this point, though, makes it more than what it is - it’s not agains the rules or changing core game files. And yes, it became obvious that not a lot of people knew of it in spite of the fact that one could just google it or look at the pins on the forum… so it was “leaked.”

If not for the fact that MrVaad’s work in particular made many potato PCs run the game passably well, I would honestly rather it be locked out. I understand the frustrations here and that this pisses lots of people off.

[MisterSomaru]

I like the config. It reduces ******** fps stuttering for no reason. And actually, setting some graphics higher *will* get you better FPS due to how the game runs. Not all though.
And on trees: not being able to f****** see is annoying. This isn't a hardcore sim. Let me see who is shooting me. Let me see the terrain 1k away so I know if something is hittable instead of partially rendering.

Some of y'all act like this is the end of the world and that all comp minded people want N64 graphics. I'd actually like the game to look better, but it's 10 years old and CPU limited, and runs like crap. Optimize what looks good and doesn't impact playable FPS levels, I don't enjoy slideshows. Maybe some of the biggest whiners can't tell what's shooting them because their PC is struggling to even breathe.

[VaelophisNyx]

almost every setting in there is fine

vegetation is indeed, a bit much to have included a toggle for; yes you get a red square. No that does not help much when trying to aim carefully through a forest. And as mentioned stealth armor mechs rely on that on those maps to be stealthy

additionally non-colliding, non-animated vegetation is computationally a foot-note for performance costs.

Edited by VaelophisNyx, 05 September 2023 - 12:57 PM.

[Ihlrath]

MisterSomaru, on 05 September 2023 - 12:54 PM, said:

I like the config. It reduces ******** fps stuttering for no reason. And actually, setting some graphics higher *will* get you better FPS due to how the game runs. Not all though.
And on trees: not being able to f****** see is annoying. This isn't a hardcore sim. Let me see who is shooting me. Let me see the terrain 1k away so I know if something is hittable instead of partially rendering.

Terrain and vegetation for cover are part of the game. Negating that because you find it annoying that they block your line of sight is silly. That and the fact that GeeRam is apparently taking some flack for outing this speaks for itself.

Edited by Ihlrath, 05 September 2023 - 01:04 PM.

[MisterSomaru]

Ihlrath, on 05 September 2023 - 01:02 PM, said:

Terrain and vegetation for cover are part of the game. Negating that because you find it annoying that they block your line of sight is silly. That and the fact that GeeRam is apparently taking some flack for outing this speaks for itself.

You're missing the point. Non collision objects blocking vision is stupid. Collision objects not rendering properly is stupid. FPS drops because someone farted is stupid. The config doesn't aim for you, it doesn't position your mech for you, it doesn't shoot for you, it doesn't twist for you, it doesn't build your mech for you. What it does let you do is see collision objects and allows your PC to run the game at acceptable FPS values.

[Bowelhacker]

This will no doubt convince the more conspiracy minded players amongst us that there is a vast world of hidden shenanigans out there THAT THEY AREN'T TELLING US ABOUT! What other hyperhacks are the Git Gudders using to oppress the masses?!

[MisterSomaru]

A E T H E R, on 05 September 2023 - 01:13 PM, said:

[Redacted]

Yes. I do. I like a playable game.

[VaelophisNyx]

A E T H E R, on 05 September 2023 - 01:19 PM, said:

You do not get a red square if the target has ECM or stealth!

Well half right, true for stealth but ECM just reduces the range that happens at

also I addressed that in my reply

Edited by VaelophisNyx, 05 September 2023 - 01:24 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Ihlrath, on 05 September 2023 - 01:02 PM, said:

That and the fact that GeeRam is apparently taking some flack for outing this speaks for itself.

Well taking flak would probably be a little too strong a word. Lets just say he might not get invited to a personal few tea parties for a little bit till they get over their twisted panties.

[Ihlrath]

MisterSomaru, on 05 September 2023 - 01:22 PM, said:

Yes. I do. I like a playable game.

Man if you have a problem running this game on your machine you have much larger problems. The 'performance' excuse is not a very good one. I fully support you using the config file since it isn't against TOS. Just understand a lot more people are starting to use those same tricks so... yanno... Goose/Gander situation and all.

Meep Meep, on 05 September 2023 - 01:41 PM, said:

Well taking flak would probably be a little too strong a word. Lets just say he might not get invited to a personal few tea parties for a little bit till they get over their twisted panties.

Well, he's got my respect for wanting things to be an even playing field... even if I hate fighting his ***. LOL

[Meep Meep]

Ihlrath, on 05 September 2023 - 01:42 PM, said:

Man if you have a problem running this game on your machine you have much larger problems. The 'performance' excuse is not a very good one. I fully support you using the config file since it isn't against TOS. Just understand a lot more people are starting to use those same tricks so... yanno... Goose/Gander situation and all.

But again thats the thing. There is only one setting in the entire config that even remotely comes close to what people consider hax and it only effects two maps one incredibly broken and one not so much but still problematic. Literally every other map is virtually unaffected by the veg removal setting. So getting suspiciously nailed when you thought you were in cover only applies to those two maps. The rest of the stuff like toning down explosions and fog and post processing glare have been public knowledge since the config file has been a thing.