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[Kyll Long]

If you want conflict go play in any of the other House boards. We actually enjoy being the few the proud the Liao. We want to work together and don't mind being the underdogs. It makes it that much sweeter when we kick the living crap outta yer arse. Liao is not based on NK which would be irrelevant history in 3049. It'd be like comparing Steiner to the Nazis or even the 2nd Reich a useless and baseless comparison. Liao history is directly descended from china with a lot of other cultures mixed in through the years.

We likes our leaders eccentric. Mainly cause we are too! The bottom line is Liao is for those who want a challenge. If you want to play in our sandbox we don't demand blind obediance. Try that in one of the fan boy militaries and see what happens. We embrace difference and encourage thought. You can read history however you want (ask a good historian) but the facts remain we are here and OUR Warriors are more than up to any challenge we encounter.

[Jack Gallows]

Kyll Long, on 14 February 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

with a lot of other cultures mixed in through the years.

This is something to remember about all the Houses with varying degrees. They've got certain things about their culture that is dominant, but there's a lot of mixing going on through the ages that pure labels from current time become a bit too constrictive.

House Liao, like many others, can be quite diverse in their own way, it's what makes them and the other Houses interesting when you think of their links and possibilities from our current history.

As for demonization....well someone has to be the bad guy from time to time, and it was just their time and crazy leadership. I mean, it's not like the FedCom isn't going to take a nasty hit later with our civil war. And that's the point...Battletech needs wars, it needs a focus from time to time to look at and hate, we need seeds of combat to keep playing and having fun.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 14 February 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[Chuckie]

Jack Gallows, on 14 February 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

This is something to remember about all the Houses with varying degrees. They've got certain things about their culture that is dominant, but there's a lot of mixing going on through the ages that pure labels from current time become a bit too constrictive.

Very true.. I think the Battletech world would look a lot like the Firefly one. A mix of all the different races and cultures.. new tech and old tried and true tech.. Writing would be a mix of english, chinese and korean (because it is the only asian phonetic alphabet so it is easier for westerns to learn to read and write.)

That said.. on Northwind we have a saying...:

Edited by Chuckie, 14 February 2012 - 11:53 AM.

[Marauder3D]

I don't think that calling Romano Liao crazy or demented is actually biased or propaganda. Unfortunately for the people of House Liao, the lady was totally bonkers. That doesn't make the warriors of House Liao any less brave or patriotic, it's just kind of something you accept in your partriotism.

If you read any Dark Age stuff (and I don't blame you if you don't) House Davion gets their turn. Caleb Davion is a schizophrenic rapist with multiple personality disorder, who murdered his own father (movie Gladiator ring a bell here) in order to become First Prince instead of leadership passing to his cousin Julian. It isn't biased or propaganda to call Caleb Davion totally raving mad, because the dude needs serious medical help and a padded room. It's just a sad fact.

Edited by Marauder3D, 14 February 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[FireNova]

Marauder3D, on 14 February 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

If you read any Dark Age stuff (and I don't blame you if you don't) House Davion gets their turn. Caleb Davion is a schizophrenic rapist with multiple personality disorder, who murdered his own father (movie Gladiator ring a bell here) in order to become First Prince instead of leadership passing to his cousin Julian. It isn't biased or propaganda to call Caleb Davion totally raving mad, because the dude needs serious medical help and a padded room. It's just a sad fact.

To make matters worse for the Davion fans, assuming my memory serves me well here.....but didn't Caleb also have serious brain injury/damage/brain condition that prevented him from ever using a neurohelmet thus he can't pilot a mech?

[Jack Gallows]

Marauder3D, on 14 February 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

I don't think that calling Romano Liao crazy or demented is actually biased or propaganda. Unfortunately for the people of House Liao, the lady was totally bonkers. That doesn't make the warriors of House Liao any less brave or patriotic, it's just kind of something you accept in your partriotism.

If you read any Dark Age stuff (and I don't blame you if you don't) House Davion gets their turn. Caleb Davion is a schizophrenic rapist with multiple personality disorder, who murdered his own father (movie Gladiator ring a bell here) in order to become First Prince instead of leadership passing to his cousin Julian. It isn't biased or propaganda to call Caleb Davion totally raving mad, because the dude needs serious medical help and a padded room. It's just a sad fact.

Good example, everyone has their turn at horrible leaders. Look at Caleb, or even Katherine, it isn't just a Capellan thing, but the Caps are just the current whipping boys of this era so to speak.

[Exilyth]

OOC: Talking about horrible leaders... Myndo Waterly had some interesting ideas about Comstars role while she was Primus.

[Marauder3D]

And speaking of leaders, when you think of Sun Tzu Liao, has there been, in the recent history of BT, (3025-3130) any leader with such lazer beam focus on regaining lost territory and past greatness? This guy was a fricking pit bull of aggression, Bismarckian realpolitik, and alliance making. Lastly, he knew (except at the end there against the RoS) that you rarely, if ever, apply direct force when other means will get the job done. The guy kept the CCAF at a razor's edge of ability while preserving their men and material.

/jealous

If only good old Hanse was good at his word, and instead of turning towards Liao he actually reclaimed every one of the 20 some worlds lost to House Kurita in the first succession war. Le sigh.

[Kyll Long]

Jack Gallows, on 14 February 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

This is something to remember about all the Houses with varying degrees. They've got certain things about their culture that is dominant, but there's a lot of mixing going on through the ages that pure labels from current time become a bit too constrictive.

House Liao, like many others, can be quite diverse in their own way, it's what makes them and the other Houses interesting when you think of their links and possibilities from our current history.

As for demonization....well someone has to be the bad guy from time to time, and it was just their time and crazy leadership. I mean, it's not like the FedCom isn't going to take a nasty hit later with our civil war. And that's the point...Battletech needs wars, it needs a focus from time to time to look at and hate, we need seeds of combat to keep playing and having fun.

Youre scaring me Jack. Sometimes you don't even sound like a Daviot

[Adridos]

Kyll Long, on 15 February 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Youre scaring me Jack. Sometimes you don't even sound like a Daviot

Don't worry, he always makes a topic aimed against us after that.

[Dihm]

Adridos, on 15 February 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Don't worry, he always makes a topic aimed against us after that.

Don't like the taste of your own medicine?

[Adridos]

Dihm, on 16 February 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Don't like the taste of your own medicine?

Hmm... it's a good mix of sweet and salty taste. If my plans of opening a 5 star restaurant with it as a speciality fail, I'll send you the recipe.

Edited by Adridos, 16 February 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[Max OConnor]

How about this crap?
The Sword and Dragon module, page 21, talking about the captured Cataphract that one of the Davion pilots uses.

The Cataphract was the Capellan Confederation’s attempt to
build a heavy ’Mech using the limited resources at its disposal.
Incorporating components from a number of other designs, the
Cataphract was (rather unkindly) dubbed the “FrankenMech.”
The Earthwerks Cataphract production line at Tikograd was
captured by the Seventh Crucis Lancers when Tikonov fell to
House Davion during the Fourth Succession War.
One of the first Cataphracts off the production line,
CTF2X00013 fought in the defense of Tikograd, and was taken
as salvage by the Seventh Crucis Lancers. George Lytton was
given “Lucky Thirteen” to replace his aging Warhammer. Using
parts from the Earthwerks factory, Lytton’s Techs repaired the
BattleMech and corrected all the shoddy Capellan workmanship.

Seriously? This is one of THE premier cutting edge Capellan mechs, and they want to imply that Capellan techs don't know what they are doing.
WTH????

[Chuckie]

maxoconnor, on 28 February 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

This is one of THE premier cutting edge Capellan mechs, and they want to imply that Capellan techs don't know what they are doing.

Your point..?

[SMDMadCow]

Chuckie, on 28 February 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Your point..?

They dont, thats why parts had to be replaced. That and the fact that the first prototype mechs off the line generaly have problems to begin with.

[Chuckie]

SMDMadCow, on 28 February 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

They dont, thats why parts had to be replaced. That and the fact that the first prototype mechs off the line generaly have problems to begin with.

Its like claiming to not understand why someone is upset with the quality of a Geely or Chery

http://www.thecarcon...nds-but-love-gm

Just sayin.. '

Spoiler

maxoconnor you do make poking fun at Capellans to easy sometimes

Edited by Chuckie, 28 February 2012 - 12:06 PM.

[Max OConnor]

Since we are apparently Space China, then why do all the ipads seem to work just fine?
Also, the wording was shoddy Capellan workmanship, ie we don't do a good job. The Confederation is lacking in resources, not skilled labor. The MIG was build in communist Russia, and they were also the first in space. Tikonov is space Russia you know. lol
Just because the nation seems to be lacking in plenty from the outside does not mean that our techs are less competent. I would say that we are much more innovative because we find a way to do more with less all the time.

Once again the writers want to paint the confederation as a bunch of illiterate, undereducated drones while the more evolved House Davion walks on water. Its really lazy writing. The Taurian's had a higher standard of living than most of the Star League. The Canopians have a higher standard of medical care. Capellans make the best use of ECM and Stealth systems so we have a very skilled tech staff for that. BTW we ave a 98% literacy rate compared to the other houses.

Having the Cataphract stated as full of Shoddy workmanship would make as much sense as the cutting edge fighter craft to be built like the Russian autos.

[Lima Zulu]

The bitter paradox of russian industry - anything military from assault rifle to jet fighter are done as epic, as fail anything civil from kitchen knife to auto are...

[Chuckie]

maxoconnor, on 28 February 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

Once again the writers want to paint the confederation as a bunch of illiterate, undereducated drones ....

And again.. Whats your point.. ???

Spoiler

WAYyyyy.. to easy.....

Edited by Chuckie, 28 February 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Max OConnor]

Shouldn't you be off stalking a sheep somewhere Chuckie?