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[Exilyth]

Wow... I was just implying I hope for the players joining House Liao to be more mature because the faction doesn't get presented as the good guys/heroes that much. No hate at all.

(Though, I'm hoping they don't overemphasize our ecm/electronics tech too much... wouldn't want anyone to think of us as "thoose lunatic stealthy assasin guys". Which we are definately not. Well, except for the Death Commandos. Who are rather known for being fanatic, not lunatic.)

[Thorn Hallis]

Yeah, but we are more ninja then the ninjas!

Plus we have assassin cults!

[Dihm]

IxxxI, on 12 March 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

It wasn't my intention to make your brain hurt :*(

I have created an explaining picture for you!

Thank you.

[plodder]

IxxxI, on 11 March 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

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[Youngblood]

There are certainly unscrupulous forums and imageboard sites out there. They have certain slang speech that their frequenters communicate in.

The rule is asking us not to be like them.

[Alaskan Viking]

Is it true that the Capellan Confederation is North Korea in Space? Somebody quoted a field manual or something earlier and I'm wondering if it has been disproven as not being cannon, or what.

Edited by Alaskan Viking, 23 March 2012 - 03:46 PM.

[Adridos]

Alaskan Viking, on 23 March 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Is it true that the Capellan Confederation is North Korea in Space? Somebody quoted a field manual or something earlier and I'm wondering if it has been disproven as not being cannon, or what.

No. We have roots from China, Russia and Scotland. Kurita is more North Corea friendly.

[Stone Profit]

Adridos, on 23 March 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

No. We have roots from China, Russia and Scotland. Kurita is more North Corea friendly.

Well, those from Scotland got upset with you after centuries of lies, and joined my side, so....

[Thorn Hallis]

Stone Profit, on 23 March 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Well, those from Scotland got upset with you after centuries of lies, and joined my side, so....

...and left again just some 30 years later.

[Youngblood]

Alaskan Viking, on 23 March 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Is it true that the Capellan Confederation is North Korea in Space? Somebody quoted a field manual or something earlier and I'm wondering if it has been disproven as not being cannon, or what.

Depends on how much you're willing to understand about East Asian mentalities about government and culture, really. Most people can't get past the veneer of the Confederation being all police-y and stuff. The fact is that the culture of the Confederation allows its people to be okay with that. And by the way, BattleTech writers NEVER make any direct references to modern real-life polities still in existence.

[Alaskan Viking]

Youngblood, on 24 March 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

Depends on how much you're willing to understand about East Asian mentalities about government and culture, really. Most people can't get past the veneer of the Confederation being all police-y and stuff. The fact is that the culture of the Confederation allows its people to be okay with that. And by the way, BattleTech writers NEVER make any direct references to modern real-life polities still in existence.

I seem to remember reading a TRO PDF or something that made mention of an "ancient terra" nation...

[Adridos]

Alaskan Viking, on 24 March 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

I seem to remember reading a TRO PDF or something that made mention of an "ancient terra" nation...

China heritage.

[Youngblood]

Alaskan Viking, on 24 March 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

I seem to remember reading a TRO PDF or something that made mention of an "ancient terra" nation...

Of course! All nations before the Terran Hegemony were considered to be ancient, but you must also remember that the BattleTech canon diverges from real-life history after around 1988 (and I believe for a few key figure people, before). Everything after then is all fiction, including the events leading up to the unification of Terra under one banner. If there's any reference to North Korea, it's either a.) pre-1980s or b.) totally out-of-character and non-canon.

BattleTech is the "future of the 1980s" with neo-medieval (or parilamentary if you're Marik) sprinkles on top.

[Lima Zulu]

Youngblood, on 25 March 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

BattleTech is the "future of the 1980s" with neo-medieval (or parilamentary if you're Marik) sprinkles on top.

Holy Roman Empire for the win! So, quite neo-medieval too. Personally I think, Korea would go with Japan to Kurita, South Part at least. Let's see what Sarna has:

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- Osaka Agreement was a treaty that allowed Japan, China and the Korean state to join the Western Alliance in 2024. - nothing really interesting.
Starting in 2023, the Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (ACPS) threatened Japan, due to its interest in joining the Western Alliance. The agreement ended increased tension in the region between Japan, the ACPS and the Western Alliance.
This accord allowed the member nations to retain some control over their regional affairs.

ACPS... Hmm

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Created in 2022, the Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere (ACPS) was an alliance between China, the Hong Kong Collective and the recently combined Korean states.

During 2023, the ACPS threatened hostilities with the Western Alliance over the inclusion of Japan into its organization. The ACPS instituted a naval blockade of Japan, with the Western Alliance airlifting supplies to the Japanese people. This caused the Japanese to side with the Western Alliance, but intense diplomatic efforts between both sides ultimately ended with the creation of the Osaka Agreement in 2024

So both Korea's were united and sided with China near 2010-2020. No idea was in south or north idea.

But here is also a link to planet Skat (originally in DC) which was colonised with japanese and koreans. So, I guess, finally united Korea sided more with Japan.

Edited by Lima Zulu, 25 March 2012 - 10:26 PM.

[Thorn Hallis]

The koreans settled in the region of space that would later become the Draconis Combine.

[Dihm]

I love all the little obscure bits that people are able to find, nice job Lima!

[GI Journalist]

I'm not certain the developers remember why they demonize the Capellan Confederation.

Communism was the global spectre that haunted the 80's, so FASA appears to have created the Capellan faction as the amalgamation of various cultures unified by socialist ideology. The Capellans were a mix of Russian, Chinese, and Indian culture with a bit of Scottish socialist heritage which let leaders of the Capellan Confederation add some Last King of Scotland flair. Sadly, while the authors may have recognized the Confederation as a form of the "Evil Empire," they immediately started writing out "cool" cultural elements such as the Highlanders. When the Cold War ended even the Russians were removed from the Confederation. Only the looming threat of China remained, so Coleman created Sun-Tzu Liao, the charismatic leader of a nationalistic movement. Han culture came to the forefront at the expense of other Capellan cultural traditions. The only time Hindi culture gets any attention, is when followers of Kali Liao commit some terrorist act.

Ultimately, communism proved a failure. Therefore, I suppose it was necessary for the Capellan Confederation to adapt to a changing universe in order to remain viable, but I miss the days when the Chancellor wore a kilt.

[Torrix]

Jack Gallows, on 04 February 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Honestly, it's because the canon has already been laid down for this time period. Now, if a game were to take place beyond or out of this time period, you might have a more valid point (that is not to say it's not important to consider and be brought to attention,) but the current Liao leadership is already set in stone. Sun-Tzu won't take over few a bit, and Romano is quite insane. There's a reason the Capellans of this time period are demonized, and this news flash was aimed at the leadership, not at the actual citizens. Candace is a Capellan, and I'm pro Candace, even if she scedes St.Ives. She does it for the good of the people. Her, and her children like Kai, show how good and strong Capellan's can be, if the Confederation could only get away from insane leadership.

Now, that's just based on their leadership. The whole of the Confederation isn't bad, but unless you get something like the 'mech release packets or something not dealing with the direct politics of the CC, you're probably going to get the heavy CC media bias unless said article is written from a CC perspective. That said, seeing a bit more diverse sources of media wouldn't be bad, though there's still going to be plenty in lore that's going to point a lot of flack fluff wise at the Confederation. Also depends on how they handle the St.Ives stuff.

Of 'course, there's a good bit other nations have flubbed up too

Exactly this. Capellan's fully demonized themselves with the actions of most of the Liao family, especially Romano and later her son. I don't think it had anything to do with race or anything else, other than Romano happened to be a lunatic and everyone around her was affected by it. The writers just as easily could have made Hans out the same way, and in fact, they do make out "Katrina" this way when Steiner and Davion split after the Clans come in.

[Scanlon]

Thorn Hallis, on 12 March 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

Yeah, but we are more ninja then the ninjas!

The Rob Zombies of ninjas.

[Volturnus]

They just like to demonize us 'cause no one can beat us