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[Suki]

Captain Midnight, on 21 November 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

I'm now seeing lances of 4 streak A1 catapults. Extremely balanced.

there'll always be like this, always be the people who must be DA BEST, who'll jump from 1 class to another, from mech to another which one is DA BEST right now. It's like LRM "buff" before.

[Suki]

Azariah, on 21 November 2012 - 03:14 AM, said:

Streak SRM '2's, Should not be netting you 1208 damage. They will be nerfed eventually, watch this space.

I've seen atlases, awesomes do this kind of damage.
Why do you think A1 doesn't need to have even a chance to do this?

[Kernfeuer]

Lol another whiny tread about op weapons...how terrifing

Are streak easier to use then some other weapons...well yes ...are they op?..nope..not anymore so really please ..deal whit it and dont open silly polls like this to cry in ure killed by some [Insert weapon here] ..thats really anoying

[SamizdatCowboy]

Grugore, on 21 November 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

AMEN!!! All you whiny little pugs need to shut your yap. I've had great games in my streak cat and bad ones. If they were OP then I would dominate the battlefield. I don't. One of the games I was in, I scored 1208 damage. I was the last one on my team with three enemies left. I killed two, but a sudden attack of pity kept me from killing the last one. Pity I didn't have more ammo. There's nothing wrong with streaks.

You understand 1208 damage is insane right? I routinely rank at or close to the top of matches in damage done, and I'm 'only' doing 500-700 damage. I guess I should thank you though, because I feel your post more than any other lends credence to the argument SSRMs need to be tweaked for balance.

I'm trying to wrap my head around why there is such fervent resistance to balancing SSRMs, and I think there are a few different 'camps' at work here:

1. Trolls - Simply like to flame. Derive sustenance from inane empty posts like 'QQ L2P grow some skeeelz'

2. Greedy streakcat pilots - Have hit the jackpot when it comes to CBills, XP, K/D, epeen fertilizer, and desperately don't want to lose their OP toy.

3. Premade snobs - Can't or won't recognize that many MWO players are not in uber leet multi-gaming clans with voice servers and tricked out forum sigs and pro tactics... that just because it's 'possible' for a well coordinated team to overcome an unbalanced build is orthogonal to the issue of the build being unbalanced in the first place. Pugs are the majority of MWO players, with limited coordination at best, and it shouldn't take military grade unit cohesion to down a freaking streakcat.

4. The sincere - Sincerely believe streakcats are not unbalanced. That's fine, but 1208 damage says your wrong.


It's pretty simple. Given 10 1v1 matches against a variety of brawler mechs of similar weight class, how often would the streakcat win? From what I've observed in game, a chain firing streakcat wouldn't even break a sweat churning through those 10 matches...

Edited by SamizdatCowboy, 21 November 2012 - 04:37 AM.

[TurkFighter]

dont neet to buff ssrms thats enought. if you want to hit with more damage use srm6 ones

[Suki]

Azariah, on 21 November 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

No they hit 100% of the time, read the patch notes, and no, they do not do less damage then before, if they did then you wouldn't have loads of streak cats.

they do spread damage now - can't solo kill anything bigger then Cicada, can't focus fire to cockpit.
Streak Cats are support mech that does good 2 roles:
1. Good Antilight mech.
2. LRM boat at extremely close range softening armor of the heavy mechs.

[Joseph Mallan]

Azariah, on 21 November 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

No they hit 100% of the time, read the patch notes, and no, they do not do less damage then before, if they did then you wouldn't have loads of streak cats.

That's how you can tell they are GUIDED Az. But you first have to have target lock. Just wait. The 6 Streak6 Timber Wolf will make the streak Cat look like a harmless kitten! Bring it

[Suki]

SamizdatCowboy, on 21 November 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

2. Greedy streakcat pilots - Have hit the jackpot when it comes to CBills, XP, K/D, epeen fertilizer, and desperately don't want to lose their OP toy.

Are You kidding??if You think you can make good CBills on a streakCata, pretty please show me how, all streak catas will be in a great debt to you after that.

[Joseph Mallan]

Yeah... Missile boats are expensive to run. Specially if it is a knife range boat like Streaks are. It's why I use LRMs I'm killing Streaks BEFORE they are under my range!

[BlackAce]

SamizdatCowboy, on 21 November 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

You understand 1208 damage is insane right? I routinely rank at or close to the top of matches in damage done, and I'm

Nope, it's normal damage for a good build on a good day with a good pilot. I've seen just about every mech out there get damage like that from time to time. Even seen a Raven do it.

[Captain Midnight]

BlackAce, on 21 November 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Nope, it's normal damage for a good build on a good day with a good pilot. I've seen just about every mech out there get damage like that from time to time. Even seen a Raven do it.

Liar. I mean, if you can't provide a screenshot I don't believe a Raven did 1208 in a legitimate game. That's the kind of damage I'd screenshot if a Raven managed to pull it off WITHOUT QUESTION. I would 100% screenshot that so if you didn't I can only assume you are a liar. That is an outrageous claim.

As for people talking about how their teams can handle streaks, well yeah OFC they can. Any team can beat any PUG, and that's a fact. I wish they had put in premade 8s because if they had you would be seeing 3-4 per team.

Edited by Captain Midnight, 21 November 2012 - 04:24 AM.

[BlackAce]

Well, I saw you on TS eu today so I suggest you ask Hunter56, Siba, Lioncourt, Taiji or any one of a dozen others you'll see regularly on there if they've see >1100 damage often.

I know the answer will be yes. I've seen them all do it many times. As for the Raven, well ask Hunter56.

Edited by BlackAce, 21 November 2012 - 04:37 AM.

[Suki]

Captain Midnight, on 21 November 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

Liar.

He's just one of the not so many, who doesn't DC after the death but watches battle to the end. I've seen jenner left alone against 2 heavies and 2 assaults. He killed them all, got ratio more than 1000, don't remember exactly.

[SamizdatCowboy]

BlackAce, on 21 November 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

Well, I saw you on TS eu today I suggest you ask Hunter56, Siba, Lioncourt, Taiji or any one of a dozen others you'll see regularly on there if they've see >1100 damage often.

I know the answer will be yes. I've seen them all do it many times.

Yeeeahhh, I call BS. As the Cap'n said: screen. shot.

Are you sure you're not thinking of XP? Two very different columns in the match leaderboard. 1000 XP isn't unheard of (although still indicates an uncommonly great match), but 'regularly' doing > 1000 damage? I can only shake my head at how ridiculous that is. You realize 100 damage is basically equivalent to what it takes to kill a fresh opponent right?

Edited by SamizdatCowboy, 21 November 2012 - 04:40 AM.

[Captain Midnight]

Suki, on 21 November 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

He's just one of the not so many, who doesn't DC after the death but watches battle to the end. I've seen jenner left alone against 2 heavies and 2 assaults. He killed them all, got ratio more than 1000, don't remember exactly.

I've seen a Jenner solo an entire team and get 1100. Best I've ever seen light do in my entire life. I've played 1500 games since open beta and I have never, and will never, see a Raven do 1208; it's impossible and anyone who says it is possible better have some proof because that's some emperor's new clothes level bullshot.

This is really why I know for a fact SSRMs are OP. People who do 1200 damage in their A1 think it's fine because Ravens are doing 1200 damage also. It's sad to be so delusional. As a fellow teamspeak team player, the fact that we all call the streak A1 as primary target IMMEDIATELY doesn't make you think it's OP? Here's an even better question, you have a Streak A1 and an SRM6 A1 both charging you down at equal speed, which one do you shoot first? I'll understand if you give me some sort of biased response because I called your mate a liar but we both know you're shooting the A1 first every single time. Game set and match.

ED: In fact, assuming you are firing out at the enemy with your lance and an enemy lance is charging your position. Assuming their lance has a streak A1 and they are all bum rushing you, tell me ANY OTHER MECH you would shoot first? What mech is a bigger threat? try to be honest. Obviously at a thousand meters you'll shoot a gauss K2 but let's say that they are closing in to brawl and you can only pick off one of them. Tell me something scarier.

Edited by Captain Midnight, 21 November 2012 - 04:43 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

It can happen. I have seen it also. I can't, I have slow reflexes, but Yeah Light Mechs can ad do wrack up 1000+Damage. Not always but it happens.

[w0rm]

Captain Midnight, on 21 November 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

Obviously at a thousand meters you'll shoot a gauss K2 but let's say that they are closing in to brawl and you can only pick off one of them. Tell me something scarier.

AC20 Cat. Hate to get oneshotted

[5th Fedcom Rat]

PGI must be clinically insane to think that streaks needed to be buffed even more. Or completely incompetent.

Streak SRMs were still overpowered after last patch (evidenced by how many were still using them), now they're just ridiculous. It's pre-patch Artemis LRM all over again, but even worse because the problems with encouraging streak boating have been listed ad nauseum for months in-game and on the forums and yet they still went ahead and buffed them.

There's really no excuse or explanation for it, aside from pandering to the political subset of users who missed dominating without aiming in their streak cats. It's as if PGI is a politician trying to get re-elected by throwing random overpowered gifts to various constituents. Well, with this patch they threw one mighty huge bone to the A1 and C4 cats to eat. And they're eating everyone else's mech alive right now.

[SamizdatCowboy]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 November 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

It can happen. I have seen it also. I can't, I have slow reflexes, but Yeah Light Mechs can ad do wrack up 1000+Damage. Not always but it happens.

There is a big difference between 'possible' and 'common'. I don't think the argument is that it's not 'possible,' but arguing that it's an everyday occurrence is ludicrous. > 1000 damage is a HUGE amount of damage. An even 1000 damage is enough to core about 7 atlases from the front.

For a light mech to rack up that kind of damage is a once-in-a-blue-moon best-match-ever kind of game. Hell, for ANY normal player to rack up that kind of damage should be an uber rare occurence, I don't care what you're piloting. But streakcats DO break the 900 damage mark regularly because they ARE coring a crap ton of opponents.

It may not be every match but it's common... and it should NOT be common to inflict that much damage, esp considering how easy it is to do so in a streakcat (point, click, core).

Edited by SamizdatCowboy, 21 November 2012 - 04:59 AM.

[Suki]

Captain Midnight, on 21 November 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

I've seen a Jenner solo an entire team and get 1100. Best I've ever seen light do in my entire life. I've played 1500 games since open beta and I have never, and will never, see a Raven do 1208; it's impossible and anyone who says it is possible better have some proof because that's some emperor's new clothes level bullshot.

This is really why I know for a fact SSRMs are OP. People who do 1200 damage in their A1 think it's fine because Ravens are doing 1200 damage also. It's sad to be so delusional. As a fellow teamspeak team player, the fact that we all call the streak A1 as primary target IMMEDIATELY doesn't make you think it's OP? Here's an even better question, you have a Streak A1 and an SRM6 A1 both charging you down at equal speed, which one do you shoot first? I'll understand if you give me some sort of biased response because I called your mate a liar but we both know you're shooting the A1 first every single time. Game set and match.

ED: In fact, assuming you are firing out at the enemy with your lance and an enemy lance is charging your position. Assuming their lance has a streak A1 and they are all bum rushing you, tell me ANY OTHER MECH you would shoot first? What mech is a bigger threat? try to be honest. Obviously at a thousand meters you'll shoot a gauss K2 but let's say that they are closing in to brawl and you can only pick off one of them. Tell me something scarier.

I'll pick A1 only becourse i'm scared like hell of K2 and won't charge them except an order of the party leader
The problem A1 get the focus not becourse they are that scary to heavies, but they are really deadly to lights. Today without collisions those little pesky critters can really turn the tide of any battle, but not when there's shiny not so little A1 against them

PS: as for about, i'll try not to atack any Cata on my own, becouse of the spread streak damage. It's easy to kill cata focusing in it's big cockpit, but spreading damage all over the mech is takin too much time.

Edited by Suki, 21 November 2012 - 05:05 AM.