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[Azkor]

You are kidding yourselves if you think in a fast paced fight that 3PV gives you an advantage, the movements are goofy, the lack of map can get you in a bad spot very fast and good luck trying to constantly swap back and forth between the views because that is sickening.

Every person I have played with has decided that ultimately that view does not change game play in any way, if it helps new people awesome but really vets? Grow a pair and stop crying because honestly nothing major changed, there is nothing earth shattering about the view and in no way are you forced to use it. So you spotted a mech around the corner without him noticing you, big deal? That is your job as a scout anyway, get information without being detected and it was very easy to do that without a 3PV.

If you are going to quit about just do it? Everyone is tired of hearing your complaining and quite honestly nobody gives a rat's *** about it. Instead of wasting your own time complaining about it, actually just play the game and see if running around like that actually helps you in combat rather than just posting pictures of "Look a wild catapult appeared". And if you don't want to play the game then don't! nobody will miss you and then maybe you can do something with your time instead of whining.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Ask The Devs 30:

Bryan Ekman, on 22 January 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Q: Is your team discouraged at all by the community outrage?
A: It hurts, and you are always amazed at how nasty people can be. Some days you don’t want to deal with it. But you suck it up and try and understand why someone would call you an ***** or *******, or threaten you. I can’t tell you how many people complain, yet play dozens if not hundreds of matches a day, and spend significant amounts of money. I generally don’t take it to heart any more, especially when comments come from someone who has 100s or 1000s of posts. It’s the guy who has 1 post that I’m worried about. It took something significantly good or bad for them to come and make a post, and we tend to listen to them more carefully. And before you all go off about not listening to the core fans, we still listen to you as well.

PGI, I really hope you are listening to these people:

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Reverend1313, on 20 August 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Tried a round and just uninstalled the game..I hadn't spent money on the game yet but was about to buy some mech bays because I did enjoy playing the game. But this change is inexcusable. I have tons of other options for games right now and even more so in the coming months with the new consoles coming out.

For someone whose in his 30s and grew up with the original mechwarrior games this decision was really troubling. And the defaulting to 3rd person view seems like its really just a slap in the face to your core audience...just my 2 cents. I'll keep tabs on the game and honestly i'll probably get the itch to play it again and install it again at some point. But I sure as hell will not be giving any money to PGI after this.

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Khayron, on 20 August 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

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Scouts no longer have to ever be visible to us at all since they can see over mountains. Assaults never risk a faulty engagement because they see around corners. Snipers are infinitely more powerful and brawling is even more useless since you'll be seen coming by people you can't shoot at hundreds of meters before you reach them.

amen to that

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SkyHammr, on 20 August 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

At first, I was excited about 3PV. Now, I could take snappy pics of my rigs. I actually -wanted- to buy paints and camo now. I even tried to play off the advantage that 3PV gives over the 1PVers.

Having downloaded the patch, I come to find out that I not only can't have my snappy screenshots of my freshly painted mech, I can't even have a good game because people will be peeking around corners on me in 3PV.

I'm disappointed. Like people have said, if this was for the n00bs, why not just have this option available in the Training Grounds? Let's face it, Training Grounds is where these new folks belong; if they queue live, not knowing how to drive a mech, they deserve to get their butts handed to them.

I'm disappointed in the fact that I bought into the Phoenix Package and now I'm still stuck with either looking through a cockpit window or my Battlemaster's big, honkin behind.

I'm not as disappointed as the Founders though. I feel sorry for them they got done like this.

This is definitely something that needs to be reevaluated, IMHO.

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Ander Skye, on 20 August 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

I am not quitting the game, but I for certain won't support it anymore with my money. I can't trust developers who so blatantly state one thing and then do another, and ignore the many time repeated opinion of the community, confirmed by several polls. I have seen the 3pv and it's nothing special, I'd say it's useless even, but it's a matter of principle. From now on I won't believe a word of what I read in the Command Chair and I won't spend a single dollar on the game until the attitude here changes significantly. This is not how you do things if you want to be respected.

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TKSax, on 20 August 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Man this really is the first time I have consider asking for a refund of my Phoenix package.... This just sucks... Oh so much for We will release 3pv in the Training grounds first remember that ahhh untruth?

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Legioxx, on 20 August 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

I love this game.. I love my centurion, I love the fact we can't boat Ppcs and I feel like this game has come so far, but to have 3rd pov in this game negates the simulator fact that I loved. Having 3rd handicaps new players and takes away the experience we all so enjoy. I will admit when I first started playing this game I admit for mechwarrior 3-4 I used 3rd pov but after being forced to use 1st I fell I love with it and will never go back.

You want money I get that, but we are the ones who are paying paint your bills now.. Not these new players you are hoping for. I'm honestly not sure what more to say other then you promised and then you went back on it.

Sorry for my bad grammar. I'm using my phone lol.

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Slacka, on 20 August 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Quite annoyed..

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Geck0, on 20 August 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Im sorry to be blunt but "offered no significant advantage" from a dev team that we see play and know aren't that good at the game. So you suck at the game and can't find an advantage so decide there is none. **********. Plenty of people have warmed up to the idea and the need for 3POV (Drones of shame) and accepted it so long as they didn't have to play it or against it. But you decided to instead lie or as you claim be completely ignorant of its advantages.

[Profiteer]

Can someone post a video of them playing a game and switching between the two views to gain an advantage...

I'd like to see you tactically use 3rd person on the fly to spot enemy positions from cover, and then quickly switch to 1st person to either jump snipe or ridge hump.

Cheers.

[Tearounet]

This is my first, and will probably be my last comment on the forums, but i need to add to what has been said.

Before i forget, 3rd person feedback : it sucks.

Now, it's the second time i actually experience a company saying a lot of things and delivering nothing at best, and {Scrap} at least. I can understand the need to make the game more accessible to new players, and i am not against it...

BUT - is 3rd person really the best idea you had to keep new players ? Wasn't a real Tutorial ever considered ? Or adding more features YOU PROMISED like the community warfare, thus, adding more depth to the game itself ?

I love MWO, but i am tired of reading empty promises.
Many people, including myself, had faith in PGI and MWO.

If you continue down the path you took when you decided to make 3rd person view a priority, you might LOOSE more players than you will attract...

Edited by Tearounet, 21 August 2013 - 07:50 AM.

[JDH4mm3r]

Well, I guess the product could have been better but.... PGI, you should have worked on FIXING stuff first before new content / ANY new content... and listen to the customers.

theres this old saying that goes "The customer is always right".

[Name140704]

Azkor, on 20 August 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

You are kidding yourselves if you think in a fast paced fight that 3PV gives you an advantage, the movements are goofy, the lack of map can get you in a bad spot very fast and good luck trying to constantly swap back and forth between the views because that is sickening.

Every person I have played with has decided that ultimately that view does not change game play in any way, if it helps new people awesome but really vets? Grow a pair and stop crying because honestly nothing major changed, there is nothing earth shattering about the view and in no way are you forced to use it. So you spotted a mech around the corner without him noticing you, big deal? That is your job as a scout anyway, get information without being detected and it was very easy to do that without a 3PV.

If you are going to quit about just do it? Everyone is tired of hearing your complaining and quite honestly nobody gives a rat's *** about it. Instead of wasting your own time complaining about it, actually just play the game and see if running around like that actually helps you in combat rather than just posting pictures of "Look a wild catapult appeared". And if you don't want to play the game then don't! nobody will miss you and then maybe you can do something with your time instead of whining.

It doesn't mean squat that 3pv is even close to balanced. The point is they said it would NEVER happen that we would be forced to play with other players using 3pv if we did not want to. That is the issue. Not quitting, but not another cent!

[Lugh]

Azkor, on 20 August 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

You are kidding yourselves if you think in a fast paced fight that 3PV gives you an advantage, the movements are goofy, the lack of map can get you in a bad spot very fast and good luck trying to constantly swap back and forth between the views because that is sickening.

Every person I have played with has decided that ultimately that view does not change game play in any way, if it helps new people awesome but really vets? Grow a pair and stop crying because honestly nothing major changed, there is nothing earth shattering about the view and in no way are you forced to use it. So you spotted a mech around the corner without him noticing you, big deal? That is your job as a scout anyway, get information without being detected and it was very easy to do that without a 3PV.

If you are going to quit about just do it? Everyone is tired of hearing your complaining and quite honestly nobody gives a rat's *** about it. Instead of wasting your own time complaining about it, actually just play the game and see if running around like that actually helps you in combat rather than just posting pictures of "Look a wild catapult appeared". And if you don't want to play the game then don't! nobody will miss you and then maybe you can do something with your time instead of whining.

********. I can safely peak over hills I intend to hump and pre-line my lane of fire before cresting. That alone is one advantage.

The free armlock is also a HUGE advantage for people that were bad at brawling.

[Ramsess]

I was debating hard on buying Overlord.... thx for convincing me not to... 3PV and breaking a system that worked since open beta when i started... good job. I think i probably also will play even less.. maybe once a month as i don't think you will have UI2.0 or CW released until who knows when.

[Lucky Noob]

Hey PGI, am happy with the 3pf as long youre happy with not getting any more Bucks from mje.

Nuff more said.

[mp00]

Ugh getting a headache trying to read all these posts basically saying the same thing.

I dont like 3PV and wont use it.
Played 10 matches since it has been put in and have seen nothing different if anything had a better day then usual.
So theres a que for hardcore mode that isnt used yet...
and they are still evaluating..
and now a large portion of the 1PV players are going to stop playing for a while..
i guess that gives PGI some nice stats showing a large jump in the percentage of 3PV players vs 1PV
i can hear it now
"look Bryan you are right the numbers show a even greater percentage of 3PV being used then we prediceted its a keeper for sure"

[Maethos]

Jungle Rhino, on 20 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

That is irrelevant. The reason everybody is flipping out is because it is another bare face lie from pgi. Their focus is on revenue generation at the expense of gameplay.

3pv is primarily a push to increase uptake on camo/paint sales. As you said yourself it is terrible to play and I can't imagine it actually being beneficial for new players. You can't even see your own legs.

When talking advantages, you have to look at the disadvantage you add to a light mech that would be hidden from view and nipping away like the flea mech post. 3pv will bring add balancing issues and hamper future mode implementation. With the current track record, it would be hard to argue PGI could keep moving forward while collecting and dragging a ever growing bag of unresolved issues. Also the disadvantage you say in using 3pv is moot due to just switching from one mode to other as needed.

Edited by Maethos, 20 August 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[DemonRaziel]

I called you a blatant liars after the "CBills adjusted for 12mans" fraud, but now I'm gonna call you a ************* LIARS!

[Skunk Wolf]

Savar Lanister, on 20 August 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

I have no interest in playing in 3rd person view. Mechwarrior is about immersion (speaking for myself, obviously), not looking around corners by tilting a camera angle just right.

I understand that PGI is in it to make a buck and draw as large a player base as possible (ie. the seven year old kids who can't figure out how to drive a mech in 1st person), but was this "improvement" really worthy of working on before fixing serious issues with hit registry, etc?

So, glad I spent another $80 bucks on the overlord package so that I can have my *** handed to me by people playing in 3rd person just because I refuse to do so.

Call me a purist, stupid, or old school.... just my two cents.

3rd person users WITH AIMING ASSIST may I add. Check it out.

Not as in 3rd party software. It's freaking built into the mode.

Try it, lock onto a target and you will see your reticule automatically snap to a part of the targeted mech when you move it close.

Edited by Skunk Wolf, 20 August 2013 - 05:00 PM.

[DeaconW]

Azkor, on 20 August 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

If you are going to quit about just do it?

OK. I did. In F2P, players are content...one less piece on the gameboard. And I know I am not alone. Enjoy longer que times...

BTW, this is mostly about the fact that THEY LIED...not just the fact that most did not want 3PV.

[ClanKiller]

Vote with your money people! 85% of us indicated they did not want 3rd person implemented.

They might listen to complaints on these forums, but they will listen to your asking for your money back, or not giving then any more money at all.

They will not receive any more money from me.

[VikingN1nja]

Dam the reticle shake was bad now with this ....



It's not that bad except for the I can see over terrain advantage!

Edited by omegaorgun, 20 August 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[LyskTrevise]

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Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.
Players will never be forced to use or play against other players using 3rd person.

[Inkarnus]

with hardcore mode postponed indefinetly what do you think
cw will be played in
and what did they say
yes !!!!!
http://mwomercs.com/...e-those-queues/

[Killashnikov]

I have supported this game for a long time - I even forked o9ut for Phoenix inspite of recent doubts - What a waste. I could have put that money into Star Citizen or god forbid real life. I wont say that I will stop playing - I love Mech combat - but I will say I will not put any more money into this morally bankrupt business. You promised me an image of a truly great game. You gave us a buggy money sink. I sincerely wish you the best but I am sick of this.
And if it is not clear enough - it is the broken promises I am most upset about.

Edited by Killashnikov, 20 August 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[Netmaster]

3PV is has a few issues:

Aiming reticle has a vertical "dead zone"
-To see the issue go into 3PV, aim as high up or down as possible. After you have reached your maximum go a little more. Now go back. You will be able to move your mouse without the reticle moving. Not the case in 1PV.

Aiming reticle jumps when transitioning from lowest aiming point and up, then again going down.

Aiming reticle does not stay centered when aiming low in within the weapons ready status indicators.

Personally, these issues make 3PV unusable. Thus far it seems to only give a way to peek over hills, around cover, etc. Maybe is has something to do with my mouse settings? I have Smoothing at 1.0, Sensitivity at .6, and Acceleration at 0.