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[MonkeyCheese]

SgtMaster, on 21 August 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

you draw nice picture, but seriously, your complaining about advantages of 3rd view? tho can shoot what you see, and you are piloting a spider with no hitbox,??? who's using unfair advantage here???

Really? after all the time I have spent in these forums and reading about all your efforts with helping new people I expected someone of your high caliber to be on the side of the playerbase and actually understand our problems with the constant cycle of lies and broken promises and the lack of a real tutorial and so on.

But nope blind white knight it is.

[Druidika]

Raistlic, on 21 August 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

Thx, got it.

I'll fall in line with Renaissance. Hopefully they dont regard that as an empty threat.

Just do it. You don't lose anything by requesting a refund and can make your voice have some impact. You can re-purchase it if PGI ever gets their **** together again. Note how there is no ending date announced, the promotion will likely run for a long time.

Edited by Druidika, 21 August 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[Horation]

Oh and also the EULA does not protect against misrepresentation its is simply a tool to try and intimidate the playerbase that holds no sway in a courtroom. OH and also in a legal action, no matter how small a representative of PGI must be in the courtroom which will cost them. For a simple chargeback dispute they do not have the manpower nor funds to fight such a chargeback.

[Renaissance]

Druidika, on 21 August 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

Just do it. You don't lose anything by requesting a refund and can make your voice have some impact. You can re-purchase it if PGI ever gets their **** together again. Note how there is no ending date announced, the promotion will likely run for a long time.

Unlike PGI, I prefer to think about my decisions carefully and stick to my guns when I make that kind of decision.

[Reaganomicon]

If they get too many chargebacks, they also get fined out the *** by the CC processor.

Edited by Reaganomicon, 21 August 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[Nasty McBadman]

That floating indestructable blinking thing destroys immersion. At least make it destroyable with damage transferring to the head portion of the mech using it. I hate that I have to see it in games and I have NO CHOICE to avoid games with people using it. Why is PGI doing this when there are so many people against it? I am usually not the kind of person to complain about things in this game. I have supported them by being a founder and overlord and MC purchases. I have stuck up for them when others attacked. But this just seems like they are trying to anger a large portion of the player base. Makes me think of the film "The Producers"; get a bunch of money, then produce something so universally unlikable that you do not have to keep doing it and just pocket the money.

[TWIAFU]

Just let me destroy that camera drone so 3PV can't be used anymore and I'll be happier until I can drop into Hardcore.

[Mystere]

mint frog, on 20 August 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

G1mmel lives in Japan. I'd start there.

Hah! That's even better. I now have an excuse to pay my respects to the Soke of Kōga.

Edited by Mystere, 21 August 2013 - 06:21 AM.

[ICE HOUSE]

It looks cool, thats about it. 3PV Makes the game completely different. the ability to see around corners changes alot. the fact that the view is unrealistic takes away from it being a simulation, having arms locked and stuff is just crazy. honestly, if you could buy a third person module, like an antennae with a camera on it, that you equip your mech with, that would be cool. but i dont see what gives you the right to have 3pv on a mech with no equipment to give you that. I like this game cos I like battle simulations. and 3pv kinda ***** that up. I dont know how you can fix it now, other than make it a module to buy, for like, 50k cbills, then all the cry babies like myself will feel honored rather than ripped off.

[N0MAD]

You are entitled to a full refund on any product before its delivered...A beta is not a product,,The product is not delivered until you have a released game.. true story.

[Tragos]

SgtMaster, on 21 August 2013 - 06:01 AM, said:

you draw nice picture, but seriously, your complaining about advantages of 3rd view? tho can shoot what you see, and you are piloting a spider with no hitbox,??? who's using unfair advantage here???

As you might see if you take a closer look at the picture it is a Spider 5V in testing grounds, which I used solely for the ease of reaching the points, without having to look for a way or anything else, due to 12 jumpjets. As I pointed out, ARMLESS scouts profit more from 3rd person view than a spider. Please bother to read the whole post. And no, I can't shoot the target from that position, but that is not the point about providing vision for your whole team WITHOUT RISK.

Edited by Tragos, 21 August 2013 - 06:26 AM.

[RedDragon]

I really would like to see how such decisions are made in the PGI headquarters.
It's hard to imagine that it is anything other than:
"Okay guys, we need to enrage the community once again. How can we do that most efficiently?"
"Well, we only have two promises left that we can break... separate 3PV-queues and no pay-to-win."
"Good, let's throw both 1PV and 3PV together... we should reserve the pay-to-win thing for after launch when we really need the money."

In all seriousness – how, if not intentionally, can PGI enrage the community time and again in the worst ways possible? There where like 5 decisions that were a no-go from the start with this game and in every single instance PGI has managed to take the wrong turn, despite overwhelming negative feedback even before they did so. *shakes head*

[Kotrin]

All of you have spent money on Founder 'Mechs, Phoenix project and what not, it's too late. Ask for a refund? That's the most hilarious and childish reaction I have seen.

Now, why is PGI pushing 3rd person view in our throats? Simply to increase target audience of MWO. 3rd person view allow players to view their owm 'Mech (giving more sense to these pricey camo skins) and is much more user-friendly (interestingly, Hawken is doing well and has no 3rd person view last time I checked... but they have respawns, so yeah, to each game its tradeoffs). 3rd person view creates gameplay issues of course, like being able to "see around corners", but PGI ensured there is a cost to that: arms locked to torso in this mode, and no minimap.

I'm sure PGI will carefully watch player stats once this is released to see if 3rd person players are doing better than 1st person ones. I doubt they will. Just in case, I guess a 10-seconds animation when switching from one mode to another will surely help reduce possible abuse

Now, it's cries and whine everywhere... People claiming PGI lied may have a point, people claiming PGI is betraying the game or the universe are just completely lost. Mechwarrior online is a damn GAME. Mechwarrior and Battletech are just fantasy universes. Mechwarrior franchise is NOT the future of warfare, not even close - scale and technology involved is close to hilarious even by today's standards, and were hard to sell twenty-five years ago when Battletech boardgame was released. Anyone taking a giant-robot brawl game where you can almost litterally run into your opponent, have to aim yourself manually and where radars can't detect a 100-tons mass behind a building as a "realistic simulator" of any kind need a reality check. Seriously.

Last time I read lore I saw nothing in BT universe forbidding 3rd person view... In fact, with your neurohelmet on why would a drone view so impossible to imagine in 3050? 3rd person view might be closer to BT future technology than all whiners can imagine.


And finally it's there so let's use it. Except Clan warriors because they are hardcore. Mmh, might not be a joke after all.

[SirriusLee]

I do not like,nor want 3d view in MWO.(for all the previously stated reasons). I believe that 3rd person view games should be separate from 1st person view games,if they are to be allowed at all.Hopefully,since MWO is still in beta, 3d view allowed in all games will only be temporary.
Permanent 3d view in all games is a game breaker for me,because it turns MWO ,which should be a simulator, into an arcade shooter.

[etnycs]

For those of you complaining about aiming in 3rd person view. The reason the aiming seems to "jump around" is because it is helping you aim. It freakin autotargets for you. Not just on the entire mech but if you are close enough it will even jump to the specific torsos. Although this could cause some friendly fire if you are not careful shooting around or over a teammate, the accuracy of most people just went up significantly. I really don't see a major advantage of the 3rd person view since they take away things like seismic and minimaps, but the aimbot has to go.

[Kunae]

Kotrin, on 21 August 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

All of you have spent money on Founder 'Mechs, Phoenix project and what not, it's too late. Ask for a refund? That's the most hilarious and childish reaction I have seen.

Now, why is PGI pushing 3rd person view in our throats? Simply to increase target audience of MWO. 3rd person view allow players to view their owm 'Mech (giving more sense to these pricey camo skins) and is much more user-friendly (interestingly, Hawken is doing well and has no 3rd person view last time I checked... but they have respawns, so yeah, to each game its tradeoffs). 3rd person view creates gameplay issues of course, like being able to "see around corners", but PGI ensured there is a cost to that: arms locked to torso in this mode, and no minimap.

I'm sure PGI will carefully watch player stats once this is released to see if 3rd person players are doing better than 1st person ones. I doubt they will. Just in case, I guess a 10-seconds animation when switching from one mode to another will surely help reduce possible abuse

Now, it's cries and whine everywhere... People claiming PGI lied may have a point, people claiming PGI is betraying the game or the universe are just completely lost. Mechwarrior online is a damn GAME. Mechwarrior and Battletech are just fantasy universes. Mechwarrior franchise is NOT the future of warfare, not even close - scale and technology involved is close to hilarious even by today's standards, and were hard to sell twenty-five years ago when Battletech boardgame was released. Anyone taking a giant-robot brawl game where you can almost litterally run into your opponent, have to aim yourself manually and where radars can't detect a 100-tons mass behind a building as a "realistic simulator" of any kind need a reality check. Seriously.

Last time I read lore I saw nothing in BT universe forbidding 3rd person view... In fact, with your neurohelmet on why would a drone view so impossible to imagine in 3050? 3rd person view might be closer to BT future technology than all whiners can imagine.


And finally it's there so let's use it. Except Clan warriors because they are hardcore. Mmh, might not be a joke after all.

N0MAD, on 21 August 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

You are entitled to a full refund on any product before its delivered...A beta is not a product,,The product is not delivered until you have a released game.. true story.

[Rhalgaln]

Doctor King Schultz, on 20 August 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Separate queue was never actually going to happen. Now with the release of 3pv, greyed-out "hardcore" mode is a nice, easy way to keep a few people who'd otherwise quit still playing. When UI2.0 comes out, there will be no mentions of any hardcore mode and PGI will pretend it never existed.

Thats exactly what I fear.
I give them a chance for th hardcore hotfix till next Tuesday. Then hardcore is in or I cancel my overlord preorder. I think the only way to show pgi the fault they made ist to cancel that preorders.
I have been a real hardcore {Noble MechWarrior} til now.

[skamage]

Namais, on 21 August 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

http://penny-arcade.com/report/tips

Thanks for that Namais. Sent them a report as well.

[Mitch D Connor]

3pv is unacceptable. thought this game is a mech simulator.

last time i was betrayed that way .... hmmm... i think it was SWTOR ... yeah the worst game ever ... ( truly a wow Killer LOL)

hmm... wasn´t it developed by canadians too ??

take this 3pv {Scrap} back or you will loose a lot of customers ... cause MWO is not a good game anymore, just as we would say in Good old Germany a 0815 f2p game ...

[Reaganomicon]

Kotrin, on 21 August 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

All of you have spent money on Founder 'Mechs, Phoenix project and what not, it's too late. Ask for a refund? That's the most hilarious and childish reaction I have seen.

It's not too late as far as the banks are concerned. Aren't white knights supposed to subscribe to the whole "don't like it, don't play it" and "vote with your wallet" garbage?