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[KraftySOT]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

To be fair, you are also going to have to put up with the Word of Lowtax.

And trust me, if PGI actually gets CW off the ground, you are going to see Anders and Chronojam and all the real tryhard WoL crew come back. It's not like the rest of us that just get drunk and shoot robits.

Lowtax is gone baby.

They wont be back.

Assiah, on 27 October 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

*slow clap* I'm going to have to give you a 8/10 for mental gymnastics there, wonderful use of doublethink, BB would be pleased.

lol people who use the word 'Doublethink' like its a real thing, should be shot.

Huxley and Orwell would agree.

Edited by KraftySOT, 27 October 2014 - 09:58 AM.

[Assiah]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Lowtax is gone baby.

They wont be back.

you sure? I saw them dropping in a 10 man just this weekend.

[Joseph Mallan]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

To be fair, you are also going to have to put up with the Word of Lowtax.

And trust me, if PGI actually gets CW off the ground, you are going to see Anders and Chronojam and all the real tryhard WoL crew come back. It's not like the rest of us that just get drunk and shoot robits.

They Say SQUAWK, I say QUACK! And the fight ensues, sometime I lose sometimes I win Bring Lowtax, I am not scared.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 27 October 2014 - 10:00 AM.

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Dude you have 234 posts, and havent spent oodles of cash Mr Beefy.

Why...would anyone....listen to you. Not just us, but...PGI? They have someone they pay a salary too, who is the lead designer, who thinks about these things.

Besides "MOAR CBILLS OR THE GAME DIES!!!"

What do you offer?

And you assume this means I have not been around here for the 1 plus year that I have.... or, that this is my clan account, and btw I did get the free hero mech that PGI gave out for ummm.....spending money on the game?

You seem to like to insult a lot when you do not, or can not bring in constructive and valid points to your argument. This is a very toxic pattern you are showing. IT doesn't help your argument and combined with some of your other opinions is toxic to the player base.

Edited by Mr Beefy, 27 October 2014 - 10:29 AM.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 09:59 AM, said:

Lowtax is gone baby.

They wont be back.

We actually have multiple 12-mans going some nights recently.

I think you said you mostly solo queue? That's why you don't see us, as even I only solo drop in the mornings when I'm the only WoL on.

e: Hell, Chronojam posted in one of these c-bill threads the other night. This argument we're having is like a perfect microosm of why a bunch of WoL don't play right now, and the ones who are holding out are watching PGI and waiting for a sign that improvements/CW are coming before they're willing to come back.

Edited by Alexander MacTaggart, 27 October 2014 - 10:04 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

We actually have multiple 12-mans going some nights recently.

I think you said you mostly solo queue? That's why you don't see us, as even I only solo drop in the mornings when I'm the only WoL on.

It's a shadow of the 1500 players you used to have.
We've gone from a height of 84, to 10, and four who drop by from time to time from other guilds.

[KraftySOT]

Wait so...the game is taking a nose dive...but one guy who was the loudest about not being here for nosedives...is back?

Explain this one to me.

*gets popcorn*

[Arkbird_]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Yes it will. Because theres ten thousand battletech players who are waiting for this game to not suck, so they can either come aboard, or come back.

No one cares about the CoD MOAR CBILLS!!!! crowd or what they think honestly. This is why this thread s 24 pages long with only 3 people whining consistently about the payouts, and NO dev will touch this with a 10 foot poll.

If you dont like it. Theres the door.

Weve got plenty of people waiting to take your spot.

And how are we going to get those battletech fans to come sign up/come back? Content. Content requires money, which requires players. Losing players means losing money. This is about not losing players.

I debate here because what is the point of having content if new players cannot afford to buy any of it before they get bored and leave?

The rest of your response is part of your toxic nature and from what I've seen from other pointlessly hostile posts from you to others deserves no response. I'd just hit a mute button if there was one.

Mystere, on 27 October 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

And which is why I said this in another post:



I have it covered.

Remember that even sports (i.e. football) have rules on what can and cannot be done. As such, consider the rewarded "playstyles" in the same light.

As much as I would like to debate what rewards are worth how much, the system would require much more work to make more rewards so for the sake of simplicity and saved time (and to finally get other content like CW) that is why I support a simple bump in rewards rather than another rewards revamp.

[KraftySOT]

PV Phoenix, on 27 October 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

And how are we going to get those battletech fans to come sign up/come back? Content. Content requires money, which requires players. Losing players means losing money. This is about not losing players.

I debate here because what is the point of having content if new players cannot afford to buy any of it before they get bored and leave?

The rest of your response is part of your toxic nature and from what I've seen from other pointlessly hostile posts from you to others deserves no response. I'd just hit a mute button if there was one.



As much as I would like to debate what rewards are worth how much, the system would require much more work to make more rewards so for the sake of simplicity and saved time (and to finally get other content like CW) that is why I support a simple bump in rewards rather than another rewards revamp.

It has nothing to do with content. MOAR MECHS, or even getting into Rotary Autocannons and Protomechs, isnt going to get them to come aboard.

Theyre not here for the same reason they werent in any other Mechwarrior game. Its a bad translation. It takes a thinking mans game and turns it into an action game.

Game mechanics are why they arent here. It has nothing to do with the grind or payouts. Most battletech people I know here, arent the Pokemon types. They arent trying to collect a ton of content and content isnt making them pleased with the game. Its game mechanics. Its how it actually plays. Its the small maps, its the lack of strategy, its the speed of the game, the time to kill, the lack of strategic layer, etc.

For most battletech people immersed in the lore and ruleset, making millions of cbills is just a bonus. Generally payments of contracts in the board game are rather small and arent paying to buy new mechs, but repair the ones you have (depending on the timeline though)

And you can always spend money to avoid it.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Vassago Rain, on 27 October 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

It's a shadow of the 1500 players you used to have.

Oh yeah, no argument there. Part of that is just goons being goons, there's always a huge rush and then the pop drops.

But the MWO thread on SA is still going strong, plenty of goons hateposting but they would come around if the game actually got better.

Me, I find ways to enjoy the game despite all its flaws. I run 'super stock' mechs even though super-cheesed min/max builds are factually better, because why the hell not? I bought an HBK-4J the other day and I actually use it as a dual-LRM10 boat with 2xML and 4xSL at 64.8kph.

[Mr Beefy]

Mystere, on 27 October 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

And as I have said in other posts, I believe it is better to increase the number and variety of rewarded actions to account for different playstyles, instead of just increasing earnings outright. The former will hopefully encourage and reinforce "good" behavior. The latter just reinforces the "bad".

Fair enough, but what I am saying I have seen, and am seeing even after the new system.... their is a very real "lust" for earnings across this player base. Adding little 1-5% extras here and there....IMO, will not fix the core issue to put the "lust" for them to rest. It will also not help bring new players in, and it will not help keep them and all of us spending real cash on this game, IMO. My opinion is based on what I have seen, players conduct or lack of good conduct in game, and 100's of games at that. It is a problem.... and it hasn't gone away and is in fact still present in 80% of the games I play.

[KraftySOT]

Alexander MacTaggart, on 27 October 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

But the MWO thread on SA is still going strong, plenty of goons hateposting but they would come around if the game actually got better.

Yup and the reddit is the same way...and the game has to get better. Not the grind. The game. Thats what keeps people away. No one would give a flying **** about the grind if the game was always fun.

Its not.

Thats the problem. Game mechanics.

If you enjoyed every match, there wouldnt be any "grind" feeling. The fact that youre blast through matches to earn cbills without giving a damn about the content of each match, is why you hate the grind. It has nothing to do with actual payouts, which are better than they ever were, if you just pay attention to what the reward system wants you to do...and then doing it.

[Almond Brown]

Postumus, on 25 October 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

good stuff

That is just an example for one viable playstyle that isn't brawling with the murderball. Instead of suggesting that the devs buff all rewards, suggest rewards that you feel fit other viable playstyles.

And for an example. A Light Mech with ECM is the only source this Match. For every set time tick, that that Light Mech can keep 4-6 Mechs inside its ECM bubble, the Cover Team bonus ticks. If that Light prevents >750 damage (guesstimate) from Steel Rain while not getting into the money making realm of brawling, then that act of kindness should be rewarded.

Otherwise, my Raven 3L has to brawl to make any C-Bills and that is dangerous to its health.

[Joseph Mallan]

Vassago Rain, on 27 October 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

It's a shadow of the 1500 players you used to have.
We've gone from a height of 84, to 10, and four who drop by from time to time from other guilds.

So no better than you claim the Law to be.

[KraftySOT]

Me? I get in my raven for 3 matches every time I play, make anywhere from 300-400k, without premium...then I play my Wubshee, or Splathawks, or Jagerbombs...which make alot less.

Do new players know how to do that?

Nope.

Why dont you make a tutorial instead of demanding more pay.

Because you getting another 100k out of a match, is me getting another 300k out of a match because I pay attention to the goddamn rewards and farm them.

All you do is convince people who would spend, not to spend, and the people who werent going to spend anyways, still dont have too, but now are enjoying the crap out of the game.

[Mr Beefy]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

EXACTLY.

Will Mr Beefy ever run a guild or a tournament? Will SpeedingBus or Mactaggart?

NO.

Theyre casual fans. They arent going to dump 500 dollars here, or even 100 dollars. They arent going to make a fan website, or run leagues, or add to the community.

They just want MOAR CBILLS!!!




I dont disagree, the problem though is, how do you then, once the game mechanics are fixed over time, LOWER the cbill payout because "now the game is worth it"

Then you get another exodus and #savemwo.

(ive actually played a crapton. Ive never spent any money and have my Richer than Blake achievement. Ive played almost everything, other than the total DOAs and clans (tho ive done the trial clans) and 80 million cbills sitting around collecting dust. Ive seen what the game has to offer, and I enjoy it...im actually with that guy, I dont see the value n spending money, other than the 45 I spent on the kickstarter to support the overall vision, which id do again currently, I just dont want any digital content for it, seems lame)

ha ha... I guess we will never find out if I will or won't, I am to busy spending 80+ hours a week for 8+ months to get even a modest 15 mechs in my IS stable bought, maxed out to master, and all the modules that I need. My FX-8350 eight core and 16 gb of ram can't handle much more.... and its water cooled!

Edited by Mr Beefy, 27 October 2014 - 10:14 AM.

[KraftySOT]

And no ones saying we cant use MOAR REWARDS.

But a blanket increase in cbills from the current rewards?

Nope. Never going to happen. Nor should it.

Mr Beefy, on 27 October 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

ha ha... I guess we will never find out if I will or won't, I am to busy spending 80+ hours a week for 8+ months to get even a modest 15 mechs in my IS stable bought, maxed out to master, and all the modules that I need. My FX-8350 eight core and 16 gb of ram can't handle much more.... and its water cooled!

It took me 170 hours to get 310 million cbills.

Youre doing it wrong.

[Joseph Mallan]

hybrid black, on 25 October 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

my bad wins are 200k+ my good wins push 500k a bad loss 60k a good loss pushes 200k.....
i see no problems with this......

maybe get better scrub is all that can be said?

I agreed with you up to the crossed out. There is no reason to be insulting.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

KraftySOT, on 27 October 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Yup and the reddit is the same way...and the game has to get better. Not the grind. The game. Thats what keeps people away. No one would give a flying **** about the grind if the game was always fun.

Its not.

Thats the problem. Game mechanics.

The grind is part of the game. The game could be fun as hell but if it had had a ridiculous grind people would still hate it. You can't separate the two - grind is part of the game mechanics.

[Calamus]

Mystere, on 27 October 2014 - 07:17 AM, said:

These "debates" (i.e. [1] lower vs. higher incomes, [2] less vs. more people happy about it) have gone on long enough. As such, I think now is the time to call people on their assertions.

For you specifically, please show definitive proof of your assertion highlighted above. Otherwise, it's just an opinion.

I have two points: One, if it is just his opinion, it doesn't mean that it can't still be fact. Two, it's easy to dismiss his claim because you know that getting that sort of concrete information is next to impossible. It's hard to count all the people that quietly slip away from the game because they're frustrated with it. Would they not still count?

I think that it's reasonable to assume that most players would want higher incomes. Given everything that we know about people in the rest of their lives, it's pretty illogical to assume that the majority of people wouldn't want more of just about anything. That's the world we live in; I doubt that this single video game is the holy grail anomaly to human nature.