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[Khanahar]

The Clan 'mechs do pose an intriguing problem, because their heavies are SO iconic. Sure, all of the original 16 have their places, but in essentially every MechWarrior game (and even moreso the MechCommander games) the four original Omnis are second to none in both style and practicality. Loki, admittedly, less than some of the others, (no idea what they'll do with the A-Pods. It'll be interesting.) but all four are essential to the Clans feeling Clan. They'll have to roll out those four quickly. I'd even support breaking the usual weight-class rules. Maybe a first batch of 1-0-2-1 or even 1-0-3-0. Mad Cat first (for lore and hype reasons) and Loki last. Vulture has its fan club, but I'm looking forward to the Thor.

[Norris J Packard]

Lonestar1771, on 17 February 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Lol If I said Loki, then I most assuredly meant the Thor. The Loki IS trash.

What thread was it in? I went looking and couldn't find it.


Edit: Nevermind, I found it. I did say Thor. Maybe you were thinking about the Loki when you were posting?

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1823543

Believe, I would never intentionally call Dear Leader's OmniMech bad.

[Maurdakar]

So many mech babbys will be sad when they realize you can barely customize omni mechs beyond pre-configured omni-pods.

SO if you get a hard on for a complex mech-bay, min-maxing and trying varied and exotic builds then clan Omni's will leave you disappointed.

[SgtMagor]

Maurdakar, on 18 February 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

So many mech babbys will be sad when they realize you can barely customize omni mechs beyond pre-configured omni-pods.

SO if you get a hard on for a complex mech-bay, min-maxing and trying varied and exotic builds then clan Omni's will leave you disappointed.

say what!

[verybad]

Maurdakar, on 18 February 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

So many mech babbys will be sad when they realize you can barely customize omni mechs beyond pre-configured omni-pods.

SO if you get a hard on for a complex mech-bay, min-maxing and trying varied and exotic builds then clan Omni's will leave you disappointed.

Umm, in TT, if you've got the space(crits), and you've got the tonnage, you can do it. Omni's are extremely flexible, and that was (part of) why they were so nasty.

However, then that leaves mechs capable of ridiculous min/max. So I agree that this is not possible in a balanced video game.

I'd be willing to bet large amounts of money that PGI wil NOT allow Omni's to be customized to player's desire.

They're going to sett the various premade designs (Prime, Alpha, etc) as variants, just like the current systms,, maybe with a bit more (but not much) freedom. (If it were up to me, I wouldn't allow Armor increases/reduction, Heat sink, Ferro, or Endo changes to omnis, but allow them more freedom with weapons changes this would give them a different flavor, but allow some balancing)

There are several reasons.
1. If Omni's were truly omni, PGI could only sell one of each omni to players. (This is the most important in terms of ENSURING Omnis won't be truly omni)
2. Truly omni mechs would be ridiculously overpowered. (eg Daishi with 4 UAC-20s... It could one shot anything)
3. The clans typically used the Prime, Alpha, etc system, probably for material replacements rather than inabilty to set mechs however they wanted. Minor changes were pretty common in the books however (eg Pulse replacing an ER, etc)

I do hope that Omnis have a different feel to them, The clans have developed offence (firepower) much more than they'd developed Defence (armor/surviveability, though both were at higher levels than Inner Sphere tech of course) It would be nice if clan mechs SOUND different inside (ie different sounding engines) if their weapons sound different, etc, they should sound higher tech.

Edited by verybad, 18 February 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[Maurdakar]

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An OmniMech is a (sub-)type of BattleMech that does not feature a fixed weapon configuration, but instead has the ability to replace or change its loadout with modular OmniMech-compatible Omni-pods. Omni-pods can be a wide range of weapon systems and even a limited selection of structural components. Therefore, the capabilities of an OmniMech are only limited by the amount of pod space it possesses (both in mass and bulk), and reconfiguration time.

The modular construction allows MechWarriors to customize their machine's weapon loadout to suit their own skills and preference, and suit specific tactical or environmental needs as required. Where a BattleMech of comparable weight is designed and built for a specific role, a OmniMech can serve as a direct-fire combatant one day, and a missile boat the next.^[14] A single 'Mech that can perform the role of four frees up significant logistical space during a campaign. ^[17]
Though not solely created for modular weapon loadouts, the OmniMech design greatly **** repair and construction as well. If a weapon pod is damaged, it can be quickly detached and replaced with another while the original is undergoing repair. If certain weapons or ammunition are unavailable, alternates can be easily substituted. Once their modular weaponry and equipment is removed, the empty bays generally provide larger spaces to access and repair the base chassis. Damaged components such as arms and legs can be easily replaced in half the time it takes for common BattleMechs, and often with less experienced technicians able perform such tasks.

Omni-Mechs are modular. I never said they didn't have options but those options are limited to pre-configured sets. You won't or shouldn't be able to take out and add individual weps/ammo/HS at will. Instead it's like equipping a set of gear.

Arguably this will be good for pugs and poor players who can't figure out good builds. They will have great builds essentially served up to them.

On an unrelated note it also appears as though many Clan-fan-boys expect to able to click a button, be placed in the Clan faction and then to roll over all the I.S. free-births with their superior tech. These people are out of their gords, and setting themselves up for a huge disappointment. From the moment Clans are introduced there will likely be mix-tech, because video games.

Edited by Maurdakar, 18 February 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[SgtMagor]

Thontor, on 18 February 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

See the Sarna.net page on Omnimechs, specifically the "Disadvantages" section

hmm, so Omni mechs will be very limited in terms of modifying the chassis. if that's the case there won't be much actual difference between an Omni mech and a Battlemech except for weapons

[Maurdakar]

And there's no way the weps will be exclusive to clanners.

Omni-Mechs still preform like a dream come true, and preform their assigned tasks extremely well.

Check your expectations, but still look forward to them. Don't expect to get much fun out of tinkering with them, but they should still play well and look great.

[SgtMagor]

well, I still want my Thor, Kodiak, and Gladiator I'm sure there going to be lots of fun, even though we can only tinker with them on a limited basis.

[BadgerWI]

My question is how are they going to balance clan mechs at all? I mean clan tech vs is tech is like a high school foot ball team vs anfl team. Streak 6'S. LRMS with no min range ultra 20'S the list goes on and on. I like the clans as much as the next guy but how do stop mwol from becoming a clan only game

[Congzilla]

No mech 20 announcement, no Trebuchet preview today, and now unpinning this. You guys are either sadists or enjoy our conspiracy theories.

[Ens]

sadists....

at first i thought the post has been erased.... i was shocked

Edited by Ens, 18 February 2013 - 01:22 PM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Niko Snow, on 18 February 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Unpinning to clean up as many of the dates are speculative/TBD/pending approval/etc... Though it's still great thread!

This needs re-pinned......

[Wieland]

Niko Snow, on 18 February 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Unpinning to clean up as many of the dates are speculative/TBD/pending approval/etc... Though it's still great thread!

Hmm.
Ok, here is my updated guess on Mech #20.
Mech #20 is none.

[Ens]

So....

for the last time:



ZEUS!
BM#20

do it! pls :|

[Butane9000]

Niko Snow, on 18 February 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Unpinning to clean up as many of the dates are speculative/TBD/pending approval/etc... Though it's still great thread!

That means it is this Wednesday and the announcement will be the last one for awhile. That's why you're unpinning this!

[Budor]

Niko Snow, on 18 February 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

pic of tinfoil dude

That mech in your sig, do you have a screenshot of it you could share with us by any chance?

[Eric darkstar Marr]

Niko go back over to Tactics ohh and I want to stomp you again like so many times before.

[Odanan]

Niko Snow, on 18 February 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Unpinning to clean up as many of the dates are speculative/TBD/pending approval/etc... Though it's still great thread!

"As many dates are speculative"??? There are 18 dates in the OP and only one is (explicitly) speculative.
This is not a thread - this is a public service. And I should be paid for starting it.
If people read more this thread there wouldn't be half of the useless threads in this forum. (threads about the Unseen, the clans, the hero mechs. Heck, even threads about information you fail to document and show to members)

[Ens]

Odanan, on 18 February 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

"As many dates are speculative"??? There are 18 dates in the OP and only one is (explicitly) speculative.
This is not a thread - this is a public service. And I should be paid for starting it.
If people read more this thread there wouldn't be half of the useless threads in this forum. (threads about the Unseen, the clans, the hero mechs. Heck, even threads about information you fail to document and show to members)

+1
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this is damn true btw... re-pinn this for the sake of well written information!!