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[Faust de Rache]

IMTatsu, on 02 July 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

[Rex Goliath]

Read the beginning of this thread unfortunately. Basically a screed about how those who don't share the views of the poster (who has some kind of Battletech seniority somehow what?) are the "Pepsi generation" and when I skipped ahead read a post from that same person talking about how disrespectful people are being.

Glad to see the level of discourse on these forums is staying above the high water mark.

I like to play competitively, this rarely includes trying to play by extra arbitrary made-up rules not included in the official rule-set. That just leads to the inevitable whining after fights by the losing party about how the winners didn't somehow "play right", and basically sets the stage for bad sportsmanship of one sort or another. Official rules that are enforced by game mechanics and policy are the only rules that should be followed, for the sanity of those exposed to the post-game chatter if for no other reason.

[Rex Goliath]

Also OP I gave up soda entirely for green tea a long time ago, and have shed 60lbs due to it. I highly recommend it. Lots of blueberries and almonds instead of Cheetos have helped as well I'm sure. If you'd like some further tips IM me I want to keep this thread on topic

edit: also if the only way you'll respect the opinions of others is from prior Battletech experience I'm 37 years old and have played TT since junior high, visiting various BT and MW games on friends' PCs along the way (I was a Mac person for too long to my shame). Mechwarrior combined arms roleplaying was the high point so far, I want so very badly for this game to be a good game. Lets' try to keep this forum civil please and treat others respectfully, no matter how much beneath you you see others due to their not having been a part of the same silly forums you've been in the past.

Edited by Rex Goliath, 03 July 2012 - 11:45 AM.

[Wind Tempest]

OP, I am sure under your views of superior honor and those like you made up for all those worlds that were lost to the Davions.

"Hey guys, I know we got stomped in the last war, our empire was halved in size, and became a laughing stock to the rest of humanity, but remember that we are the winners in this."
"How so?"
"We didn't leg them."

[Accuso]

hi @ all

as long as there is war... there will be rules fo engagment :-D

i personally don't mind being immobilized as long as it actually is necessary... for the fight... honor may be important but not if you fight with a team! semper fidelis :-D

people who have allready lost and have fun poking on other players are well known in mwll... i hope we don'T see this a lot in mwo...

[Bloodrail]

im up for anything in a match...if its by the code then so be it, but if its not then its just as good

[Jukebox1986]

Honor, eh?

When the heat is high, my ammo is depleted and the enemy is in front of me...
When i think of my beloved at home...
Of the c-bills i have to pay, and the money i will get when i triumph over the enemy...

What do you think? Do i care about Honor?

Bloody Hell No.

[Beazle]

Rex Goliath, on 03 July 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Also OP I gave up soda entirely for green tea a long time ago, and have shed 60lbs due to it. I highly recommend it. Lots of blueberries and almonds instead of Cheetos have helped as well I'm sure. If you'd like some further tips IM me I want to keep this thread on topic

edit: also if the only way you'll respect the opinions of others is from prior Battletech experience I'm 37 years old and have played TT since junior high, visiting various BT and MW games on friends' PCs along the way (I was a Mac person for too long to my shame). Mechwarrior combined arms roleplaying was the high point so far, I want so very badly for this game to be a good game. Lets' try to keep this forum civil please and treat others respectfully, no matter how much beneath you you see others due to their not having been a part of the same silly forums you've been in the past.

DO NOT talk bad about my Cheetos.

As for the rest of this topic...

OP's opinions are invalid because he thinks kids drink Pepsi.

PS: We didn't blow the heck out of our own city to kill some Davions.

We utilized a unique opportunity to harness the synergy inherent in a competitive military exercise to pave the way for an extensive urban renewal project to help stimulate the local economy and drive job growth.

L2Spin.

Edited by Beazle, 03 July 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[Voyager I]

Okay, the discussion on the Capellan approach to combat raises excellent points against the OP, but am I the only one popping veins because the Capellans aren't even a little bit Japanese and the concept of 'Bushido' would never apply to them to begin with!?!


If you want to be an Honorable Mecha Samurai, you're wearing the wrong colors.

Edited by Voyager I, 03 July 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[Beazle]

Voyager I, on 03 July 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Okay, the discussion on the Capellan approach to combat raises excellent points against the OP, but am I the only one popping veins because the Capellans aren't even a little bit Japanese and the concept of 'Bushido' would never apply to them to begin with!?!


If you want to be an Honorable Mecha Samurai, you're wearing the wrong colors.

Nope, been covered already.

[nektu]

Voyager I, on 03 July 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

Okay, the discussion on the Capellan approach to combat raises excellent points against the OP, but am I the only one popping veins because the Capellans aren't even a little bit Japanese and the concept of 'Bushido' would never apply to them to begin with!?

Aren't they all asian or something? I say, let god sort them out!

[Amberlance]

Bushido is not limited to Japan, as shown by the 1999 film, Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai, starring Forest Whitaker. The teachings of the Hagakure are applied to life in modern Jersey City, following an african-american hitman and his dealings with the local mafia. Furthermore,

Edited by Amberlance, 04 July 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[Chuggernaut]

Amberlance, on 04 July 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

Furthermore,

Yo imma let you finish, but furthermore black samurai are the best. Ask my homie Minobu Tetsuhara, or as he likes me to call him, "Minibus Tastycakes."

[Lavi]

Landeraxe, on 29 June 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

I think that in warfare, with your life on line, you fight to win by any means allowable in game (no hacks, cheats, or even in-game glitches, because there is a difference between fighting "honorably", and cheating).

For one-on-one combat, if both sides agree to fight honorably, then that is different.

that kind of combat might be more common when clanners enter in play.
honor fighting are more tied to kurita house and clanners (and so they ended).

If the servers where the kind of warcraft (never had an account, just saw my younger bro) it should be possible to find honor-strict servers roleplayed servers and so on.

But I think the kind of game and the mechanics put in it wont allow or encourage it

[Lavi]

wanderer, on 29 June 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

We need a "headshot kill" icon. It's going to happen, lots and lots considering LRM's seem to rain down from a near vertical angle- and...well, the head happens to be up there, with it's light armor and all that. Likewise, the easiest way to deal with light 'Mechs is probably going to be legging them while they zip over the field at 100+kph, from the look of the Frozen City video.

Shooting up a downed target, though- that's just kicking someone while they're out of the match entirely. Only reason to do it is if you hate their guts to begin with.

even when I'm greatly in the same terms as you....
c'mon... dont' tell me that you, poor little jenner wont kick the *** of the arrogant atlas or battlemaster that happened to fall from a rock or shutted down beacouse of overheating....

even in the kick a fallen opponent you can find reasons to defend

[Baalzammon]

Cole Christensen, on 29 June 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

If a certain aspect of combat is not making me earn more cash/XP (which these won't, ever) then I am not partaking.

To get the gist of this post, skip to summary, then restart if interested, saves time

I'm in on this, if legging/heading or obliterating a mech gives me better salvage/experience/c-bills, then that's what I'll be doing, to limit yourself from any kind of gain (material or financial) for the sake of someone elses code of honor is a ridiculous notion.

On the other hand, if I have everything I'll ever want or need from the game in the way of mechs/components, masses of monies, etc, then I'll be more than happy to join battles with a more extensive system of rules, including an agreed upon honor code, but until I'm maxed out, then I'll be doing whatever advances my personal interests and wealth first.

Sad, but true, seeing as this will be a game based on advancement through conquest.

Additional: I had read a brief mention of a "yield" scenario from another post, if there is indeed an option to yield (doubtful), and players who allow an enemy to do so are rewarded, then I will certainly do so, as long as the reward is at least as good as a vicious kill.

Summary: I'll adhere to the most efficient and/or rewarding (in a measurable sense, as opposed to, y'know, "feeling good about my honorable actions") tactics to speed my advancement to the goodies I want.

Edited by Baalzammon, 04 July 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[Lavi]

Blaze32, on 29 June 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

They have it set up that legging means taking out both legs so that will take as long as destroying a center torso so who cares about legging and head shots will take 2 hits to kill (no matter how much damage) so it would be very hard to do with them moving and no alpha strikeing (even with 4 gauss) to the head will not one-shot a mech it has been programmed this way so all you get is overload in heat making it so the enemy you are fireing at can kill you...

I will try to not hit someone when they are down but if im about to die i will go down punching and shooting like most people would.

Allow me, pls to give me my 2 cents.

I haven't seen any video of gameplay, though i've played MWLL and all MW saga from the very begginin

this chatter about legging/beheading could be obsolete if aiming was something more like i imagine in books.

a great flashing cue indicating a lock on the meck. not on any specific zone.
this way the damage on an alpha strike of laser-boats and ac-boats would share damage in a random zone... more like TT game and also making the decision between joystick/mouse less decisive.

c'mon.. even the greatest warriors on the books couldn't guarantee a shot to the zone they were aiming for.

I know this kind of aiming systems is nearly impossible to implement if the game is almost done... but a man can dream

(edited to correct some grammar error)

Edited by Lavi, 04 July 2012 - 02:02 AM.

[Amberlance]

Even though the literal rules of engagement, as defined by game mechanics, may allow for a wide range of behaviour, it is important to recognise the lessons of past societies (or game environments) and learn from them

Ghost Dog: You know, in ancient cultures, bears were considered equal with men.
Hunter: This ain't no ancient culture here, mister.
Ghost Dog: Sometimes it is.

from Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai, directed by Jim Jarmusch

[Rorusbass]

In the past rules were invented in some games to try and cut back on some game breaking bugs or balances, as time passed the dev's learned to adapt and it was less needed. As it is now, most games are balanced and there is hardly anything game breaking making any rules outside of the game mechanics obsolite.

Besides this I'm in this house because I like to play dirty, and if that's not possible do the unexpected.

[Lavi]

Eric Portenelli, on 29 June 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

From what we have heard of the mechanics from the devs and the E3 demo, convergence is going to take all of that right out the window anyways. Unlike earlier MW titles not every weapon is going to easily hit the location you have centered, so legging and heading will take MORE skill to manage and not less. And, as many have posted, where does Bushido come into this?

Could you point me in the direction of where you saw the convergence issue????