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[Sandpit]

If you're STILL arguing against the whole "get locks thing", you're not a very good player in the team environment, you need ot really learn more about the game and how team dynamics work. Plain and simple.

If you think locking a target, using a TAG, hitting a NARC, or anything else that helps support your entire team requires you to do nothing but charge at the enemy and sacrifice yourself, you REALLY need to "L2P" and it's really that plain and simple.

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 01:43 AM, said:

for the last time...
no
it doesn't

now that we've cleared that up can we stop saying it? We're all sorry some of you misinterpreted "asking for locks" to somehow magically mean we're going to sit in the back and not participate in the game other than lobbing random lrms at enemy mechs you so bravely charge into for the sole purpose of getting locks for lurms.

So now that it's finally all cleared up and the meaning has been clarified, can we move on? Next time you see someone "asking for locks" instead of assuming the above, how about just assume they're your teammate and the tactical data you send by hitting R is helpful and valuable instead of trying to concoct elaborate plots as to why your devious teammate dared to ask you to lock targets?

thanks

there you go, thread answered and solved
/thread

[MechWarrior3671771]

Mystere, on 28 December 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Good for you. Unfortunately, my experience is not the same, not even close.

Yup. Having a team mate tell the others to deliberately not hold locks because he was mad I was racking up cheap damage.... facepalm.

[Foxwalker]

This is still trending? This tread should have been locked!!! No religious discussions!

[MischiefSC]

On locks -

I don't lock people to help lrm boats. I lock every target everytime because it helps my whole team. I ddon't risk myself to do it but anyone who isn't locking targets every chance they get is leaving success on the table. They are failing to use every opportunity to help their team win.

Fill all the doritos. Every time you can. If you see several targets, cycle them this is fast, easy ways to show your team the enemy position. I don't make tactical decisions that risk my survival/performance because I can't trust that my teammates will exploit that risk enough to make up for the risk exposure. However not locking or otherwise just being a **** because someone on my team brought an inferior loadout. People take bad robbits all the time, lrms or otherwise. Don't play worse in spite. That's just stupid.

[Sandpit]

MischiefSC, on 28 December 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

On locks -

I don't lock people to help lrm boats. I lock every target everytime because it helps my whole team. I ddon't risk myself to do it but anyone who isn't locking targets every chance they get is leaving success on the table. They are failing to use every opportunity to help their team win.

Fill all the doritos. Every time you can. If you see several targets, cycle them this is fast, easy ways to show your team the enemy position. I don't make tactical decisions that risk my survival/performance because I can't trust that my teammates will exploit that risk enough to make up for the risk exposure. However not locking or otherwise just being a **** because someone on my team brought an inferior loadout. People take bad robbits all the time, lrms or otherwise. Don't play worse in spite. That's just stupid.

This right here should be the end of any discussion involving locks. On both sides.

[Screech]

Mystere, on 28 December 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Good for you. Unfortunately, my experience is not the same, not even close.

Finally something we can agree on. Hope it gets better for you.

[Wintersdark]

MischiefSC, on 28 December 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

On locks -

I don't lock people to help lrm boats. I lock every target everytime because it helps my whole team. I ddon't risk myself to do it but anyone who isn't locking targets every chance they get is leaving success on the table. They are failing to use every opportunity to help their team win.

Fill all the doritos. Every time you can. If you see several targets, cycle them this is fast, easy ways to show your team the enemy position. I don't make tactical decisions that risk my survival/performance because I can't trust that my teammates will exploit that risk enough to make up for the risk exposure. However not locking or otherwise just being a **** because someone on my team brought an inferior loadout. People take bad robbits all the time, lrms or otherwise. Don't play worse in spite. That's just stupid.

Exactly what I've been saying from the start.

[Sandpit]

Wintersdark, on 28 December 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Exactly what I've been saying from the start.

it's what MOST of us have been saying from the start.

[Druarc]

Locking just makes sense, helps everyone, and I don't mind if the LRM boats soften up a target for me, I run an atlas with 2 15's just for that purpose, means less armour for the AC20 to cut throw

[Ratpoison]

I don't ask for locks because I get my own and stay with the group like a good LRM user, and it's rude to tell people to do what they already know to do every match. When you ask for locks you imply that you need help getting them because you aren't satisfied with your own abilites. That may not be what you intend to say, but that is how it reads in the context you put it in, and I'll continue to assume you're a numbskull when you do it.

[Ratpoison]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

it's what MOST of us have been saying from the start.

Because that's what most people do. People intentionally not locking to troll LRM users are just useless trolls, they are by no means common and can easily be reported for it since they decided to declare their griefing in chat. Personally, I've never even had it happen to me, and I play really obvious LRM carriers(HBK-4J, CPLT-A1, C1, C4 mostly), so I don't know where people are getting the idea that LRM users are "persecuted". Acting persecuted over something so small is just embarrassingly childish.

[Mystere]

tortuousGoddess, on 28 December 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

Because that's what most people do. People intentionally not locking to troll LRM users are just useless trolls, they are by no means common and can easily be reported for it since they decided to declare their griefing in chat. Personally, I've never even had it happen to me, and I play really obvious LRM carriers(HBK-4J, CPLT-A1, C1, C4 mostly), so I don't know where people are getting the idea that LRM users are "persecuted". Acting persecuted over something so small is just embarrassingly childish.

It has been my extensive experience that there are people around who refuse to acquire locks for much worse -- aka. selfish -- reasons. Someone replying in chat "I don't want them to steal my kills!" during events says it all.

Edited by Mystere, 28 December 2015 - 03:07 PM.

[Mead]

Foxwalker, on 28 December 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

This is still trending? This tread should have been locked!!! No religious discussions!

Get your own locks!

(hur hur hur)

[Ratpoison]

Mystere, on 28 December 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

It has been my extensive experience that there are people around who refuse to acquire locks for much worse -- aka. selfish -- reasons. Someone replying in chat "I don't want them to steal my kills!" during events says it all.

But once again, how many times have you honestly seen that, against how many players you played normally in between? They are few and far between, they are not so common that you need to chide everyone on their locking habits at the start of every game like some people seem to think. Very occasionally, people are stupid trolls in this game, and they do it for any number of reasons. "I hate LRMs" is just one of many. Giving them more attention and credit than they are due is a waste of time and energy, they don't actually impact your experience on the whole in a significant way, and those idiots are really good at getting themselves banned.

[Sandpit]

tortuousGoddess, on 28 December 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

But once again, how many times have you honestly seen that, against how many players you played normally in between? They are few and far between, they are not so common that you need to chide everyone on their locking habits at the start of every game like some people seem to think. Very occasionally, people are stupid trolls in this game, and they do it for any number of reasons. "I hate LRMs" is just one of many. Giving them more attention and credit than they are due is a waste of time and energy, they don't actually impact your experience on the whole in a significant way, and those idiots are really good at getting themselves banned.

In my tier? I see it often and regularly enough to make sure I wanted to shoot down the premise of this thread so even more players don't pick up that bad habit and metality

[Mystere]

tortuousGoddess, on 28 December 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

But once again, how many times have you honestly seen that, against how many players you played normally in between? They are few and far between, they are not so common that you need to chide everyone on their locking habits at the start of every game like some people seem to think. Very occasionally, people are stupid trolls in this game, and they do it for any number of reasons. "I hate LRMs" is just one of many. Giving them more attention and credit than they are due is a waste of time and energy, they don't actually impact your experience on the whole in a significant way, and those idiots are really good at getting themselves banned.

I see them like clockwork during events, when NA schools are out, and sometimes also on weekends. Heck! Just this last "HOLIDAY LEADERBOARD AND CHALLENGE EVENT", there was one in my very first game. And it was certainly not the last.

There is a reason I intentionally did not play MWO over the Christmas weekend and instead played Fallout 4 and my new BB-8, along with a new iPad Mini 4 that came with said BB-8.

[Ratpoison]

Sandpit, on 28 December 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

In my tier? I see it often and regularly enough to make sure I wanted to shoot down the premise of this thread so even more players don't pick up that bad habit and metality

I understand. However, I imagine it would only take a handful of instances to make it feel like more of a problem than it is. The truth is that the people reading your post aren't even going to be the people who make these problems; their interests are too fleeting and selfish to delve into reading forums. If you want to make a difference, rather than making a declaration they wont hear, I would suggest simply calling them out on their trolling, you wont be the only one who thinks they're being a douche, and that will get the point across to everyone who hears their nonsense. If you don't dignify them, they get bored and leave.

[Sandpit]

tortuousGoddess, on 28 December 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

I understand. However, I imagine it would only take a handful of instances to make it feel like more of a problem than it is. The truth is that the people reading your post aren't even going to be the people who make these problems; their interests are too fleeting and selfish to delve into reading forums. If you want to make a difference, rather than making a declaration they wont hear, I would suggest simply calling them out on their trolling, you wont be the only one who thinks they're being a douche, and that will get the point across to everyone who hears their nonsense. If you don't dignify them, they get bored and leave.

I never said it was a "big" or "huge" problem. I sad it's bad info to spread, horrible tactics, and shouldn't be allowed to propagate, especially on the forums or in game where new players pick up those bad habits.
There's a difference

[Ratpoison]

Mystere, on 28 December 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

I see them like clockwork during events, when NA schools are out, and sometimes also on weekends. Heck! Just this last "HOLIDAY LEADERBOARD AND CHALLENGE EVENT", there was one in my very first game. And it was certainly not the last.

There is a reason I intentionally did not play MWO over the Christmas weekend and instead played Fallout 4 and my new BB-8, along with a new iPad Mini 4 that came with said BB-8.

I don't see any of that though. Maybe once a week, if I play hours a day. I wonder where the discrepancy is that makes what we see so different?

[Mystere]

tortuousGoddess, on 28 December 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

I understand. However, I imagine it would only take a handful of instances to make it feel like more of a problem than it is. The truth is that the people reading your post aren't even going to be the people who make these problems; their interests are too fleeting and selfish to delve into reading forums. If you want to make a difference, rather than making a declaration they wont hear, I would suggest simply calling them out on their trolling, you wont be the only one who thinks they're being a douche, and that will get the point across to everyone who hears their nonsense. If you don't dignify them, they get bored and leave.

Ask PGI to relax their name-and-shame policy for a day and I'll publish a list after the next event.