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Dee Eight, on 04 November 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

Really ? That's your argument ? ONE POINT FIVE tons of free tonnage is worth whining about the kodiak still ? You clearly haven't looked at engine charts lately. A 340XL is 20.5 tons, a 400XL is 33.5 tons. That's 13 tons. The difference in internal structure weight is 0.5 tons.

Who says they are taking a 400 XL? That's mighty presumptuous. Try a 320 XL vs 375 XL, difference of 8 tons with the internal structure difference being 1.0; that is 6 tons, plus you can mount extra armor, sure you are bigger but no one cares because at the size of an 85 tonner your hitboxes tend to be easily singled out anyway, not to mention you still can't mount as many high up ballistics as the Kodiak.

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Prof RJ Gumby, on 04 November 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

I understand we shouldn't nerf it, because YOU... a tier 3 player can actually compete with decent players while you run KDK3 and they don't? Yeah, that's a logical reason to do it.

I can compete with "decent" players as you put it, with EVERY kodiak variant. I don't need the 3 variant to do it. I am only a tier 3 still because I don't chase mythical numbers of rank which have no meaning. I routinely get matched into teams/matches with Tier 1s anyway. I kill them just fine in my Kodiak 1, 2, 4, 5, and SB.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

The team that protected their [insert assault mech chassis] and had the best [insert assault mech chassis] pilots won the match because the game was is all about making sure the [insert assault mech chassis] could do all the gunning.

Nothing has changed and that scenario generally applies to mostly all matches, aside from conquest. That isn't something unique to Kodiaks, as it applies generally to all assaults. I fail to see how that substantiates that the KDK-3 is super OP.

KDK-3 is top choice for Assault selection. Other options are given a second thought ONLY AFTER the Kodiak-3 options are filled.

This behavior trends.

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MWn00b, on 04 November 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

My little slice of the game can not be observed from under your rock. The fact that you bought the kdk-3 doesn't dismiss your dissatisfaction with that it is more efficient than your old mech which you believe pwnz.
If you are trying to say that you feel very special because you play "competitive" matches and you feel disbalance in gameplay by having to face good pilots in kdk-3s, then your teams need to negotiate the rules such as limiting the kdk-3s in your gameplay, unless you and your team are potatoes and cannot speak and/or have not brains to impose rules to your competitive matches.
Like I already have said, in random gameplay the kdk-3 is not a problem, like, at all. You have to be really brain damaged to whine about OP Kodiak in the random quickplay game mode. For competitive matches - you rule out things that are considered OP for that type of gameplay.

He 100% lives up to his name. We're done here.

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Dee Eight, on 04 November 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

I can compete with "decent" players as you put it, with EVERY kodiak variant. I don't need the 3 variant to do it. I am only a tier 3 still because I don't chase mythical numbers of rank which have no meaning. I routinely get matched into teams/matches with Tier 1s anyway. I kill them just fine in my Kodiak 1, 2, 4, 5, and SB.

You don't know the meaning of "decent" if you're holding a sub 1 W-L ratio (let alone a sub 1 K-D ratio).

The bar is low, but people don't know where the bar actually is.

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Deathlike, on 04 November 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

I would like to play the games you are playing, while I'm running a KDK-3.

It would be glorious.

I play random matches by clicking the button quickplay, on NA and European servers. Like, daily. Except today I took a break.

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MWn00b, on 04 November 2016 - 11:28 AM, said:

I play random matches by clicking the button quickplay, on NA and European servers. Like, daily. Except today I took a break.

Yes, where the level of play is so chaotic, a Mist Lynx could RULE THE INNER SPHERE!11!!!!!111

I'm sure I'll find the highest of strategy levels there.

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Deathlike, on 04 November 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

Yes, where the level of play is so chaotic, a Mist Lynx could RULE THE INNER SPHERE!11!!!!!111

I'm sure I'll find the highest of strategy levels there.

It is chaotic indeed.

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Deathlike, on 04 November 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

Yes, where the level of play is so chaotic, a Mist Lynx could RULE THE INNER SPHERE!11!!!!!111

I'm sure I'll find the highest of strategy levels there.

Dang. And I've been wasting all this time scrimming top flight teams and testing various mechs and strategies in private lobbies. WHAT WAS I THINKING? I'VE BEEN A FOOL!

Edited by TercieI, 04 November 2016 - 11:33 AM.

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W E N D I G O, on 04 November 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

I get it.

So the Meta shifted to counter those "monstrosities" but people still complain about them because their favourite piece of Mech is not a sluggish assault with high dps dakka loadouts. Or the same people would just play them and post end of match screens of this or another of their "accomplishment" when they waited behind their teams frontline to rack up kills and damage on worn down Mechs.

That's bad for them isn't it?

Maybe you guys should stop giving pointers to everyone that this and that is so op that it needs to be especially mentioned in countless forum threads so really every wannabe "competitive" player buys one. Could help stop shifting the meta in your personal disfavor.

Maybe.

The meta doesn't shift because random people say so. The meta shifts people are seeing success with that variant. If it were just one random great game... it's easier to write off. If people get multiple great games... they are very likely to keep running it into the ground until it's nerfed.

I mean, are you the kind of guy that buys stock that is losing value daily, or the guy that sees a trend and see if they will make big on it?

MWn00b, on 04 November 2016 - 11:30 AM, said:

It is chaotic indeed.

It is bad too.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 November 2016 - 11:34 AM.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

Nothing has changed and that scenario generally applies to mostly all matches, aside from conquest.

You realize almost all comp matches are played in conquest right? Conquest doesn't change anything, if anything it makes the Kodiak stronger since you can't take slower mechs and just camp a spot.

AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:25 AM, said:

That isn't something unique to Kodiaks, as it applies generally to all assaults. I fail to see how that substantiates that the KDK-3 is super OP.

Actually, it doesn't apply to all assaults. Sure the Mauler and Battlemaster were strong before the Kodiak, but they weren't the same powerhouses. The Mauler could pump out damage but was susceptible to lights if caught during a rotation and it also didn't pump out the damage the old Whale could so it couldn't neuter a mech within a second of exposure. The Battlemaster suffers from being somewhat hot and running an XL on an IS mech which make it solid on a push but not near as good as the Dakka Kodiak as they both have high mounts, one just has much better damage potential at mid range. You would often see mixes of these assaults (Atlas and Banshee often as well) depending on the strat whereas the Kodiak is the central mech of all strats outside of maybe a map where you can get into brawl range easy enough to take an AS7-S over a Spirit Bear.

Assaults should not be the most important mech on the field, being equally afraid of a splat Jenner as you are a Kodiak should be the goal of mech balance within this game, and it is not there and was much better before the Kodiak was available.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assaults should not be the most important mech on the field, being equally afraid of a splat Jenner as you are a Kodiak should be the goal of mech balance within this game

That makes me sad that you, and a handful of other people seriously feel that way.

Why stop there though? I think we should be equally afraid of an Urban mech as a DWF with 3 UAC20's. Balance, amirite?

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 11:43 AM.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

That makes me sad that you, and a handful of other people seriously feel that way.

Why stop there though? I think we should be equally afraid of an Urban mech as a DWF with 3 UAC20's. Balance, amirite?

In a PvP game, yes, basically, the dream is to have all mechs equally viable. Then it comes down to style and pilot skill.

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W E N D I G O, on 04 November 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

So why don't you just run a Kodiak? I've seen you only in the Arctic Cheetah since it was released.

And don't try to change the topic. I never said something about why or why not the meta changes, I said people like you prolly got a problem where it went because it doesn't favor their kind of preferred playstyle. So, back to your Arctic Cheetah...

Oh, lemme take this one, Deathlike.

Because it's a team game, not everybody who plays comp can run a Kodiak and lights are still way more fun.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

Why stop there though? I think we should be equally afraid of an Urban mech as a DWF with 3 UAC20's. Balance, amirite?

Balance does not mean that they should have the same firepower, let's keep that in mind. That said, without that sort of balance, lights will always being the worst class (and thus suffer from a lower percentage in queue) and never be worth the money they want to charge for them in the pack situation (which leads to even fewer lights) so the result is problematic for a PvP game (which this is).
I get the Urbie is a joke mech and probably never should've been added due to that, but this game should really be striving to actually have role warfare like TF2 and Overwatch where classes are useful and hopefully equally useful which adds to variety and depth.

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W E N D I G O, on 04 November 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

So why don't you just run a Kodiak? I've seen you only in the Arctic Cheetah since it was released.

Because... I'm a Light pilot?

Seriously though, I did make a promise that if there were no KDK-3 nerfs, I will be prancing with a huge huggable teddy bear all over the game.

Mind you, I have had plenty of fun with easy-mode mechs (ACH is not one of them, although I love the salt that comes with that).

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And don't try to change the topic. I never said something about why or why not the meta changes, I said people like you prolly got a problem where it went because it doesn't favor their kind of preferred playstyle. So, back to your Arctic Cheetah...

No.. in fact, I would embrace easymode. Heck, gift me a Kodiak if you want to accelerate the process. I WILL NO DOUBT ENJOY THE KDK-3. DO IT FOR SCIENCE!!!!!!11!!

Edited by Deathlike, 04 November 2016 - 11:49 AM.

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Deathlike, on 04 November 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

I mean, are you the kind of guy that buys stock that is losing value daily, or the guy that sees a trend and see if they will make big on it?

Clearly you're not a trader. A daily decline in price is in fact, contrary to your expert investment advice, a trend. A negative trending price doesn't preclude you from as you eloquently put it, "making it big". I would recommend a managed futures position, or if you're feeling risky, a highly-levered naked short.

KDK-3 = not OP

gg

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 11:55 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

Balance does not mean that they should have the same firepower, let's keep that in mind. That said, without that sort of balance, lights will always being the worst class (and thus suffer from a lower percentage in queue) and never be worth the money they want to charge for them in the pack situation (which leads to even fewer lights) so the result is problematic for a PvP game (which this is).
I get the Urbie is a joke mech and probably never should've been added due to that, but this game should really be striving to actually have role warfare like TF2 and Overwatch where classes are useful and hopefully equally useful which adds to variety and depth.

I never said anything about equal fire power. I was just illustrating how ridiculous your example is regarding "fearing" assaults and lights equally.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Clearly you're not a trader. A daily decline in price is in fact, contrary to your expert investment advice, a trend. A negative trending price doesn't preclude you from as you eloquently put it, "making it big". I would recommend a managed futures position, or if you're feeling risky, a highly-levered naked short.

gg

Ideally, you buy low, and then sell high.

What you're doing is the equivalent of saying "my stock is worthless" while it's gaining value every day since inception of the stock itself.

While eventually the stock will stop growing (nerfs incoming soon?), you're being disingenuous to what the actual value is currently until things change.

W E N D I G O, on 04 November 2016 - 11:54 AM, said:

Obviously you are since you don't pilot Kodiaks.

lol OK.

If you don't think I'll ever pilot a Kodiak, please pass whatever you are smoking.

I've piloed a Mr. Gargles, Executioner, Kodiak, Stalker, Warhawk, Dire Wolf... just to name a few. I might not have played many of these lately, but I'm still familiar in the art of mechlabbing and shooting.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 November 2016 - 11:58 AM.

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Deathlike, on 04 November 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ideally, you buy low, and then sell high.

What you're doing is the equivalent of saying "my stock is worthless" while it's gaining value every day since inception of the stock itself.

While eventually the stock will stop growing (nerfs incoming soon?), you're being disingenuous to what the actual value is currently until things change.

There is so much fail in your investment analogy, I just, can't, even.

Stick to the KDK-3. You actually made some reasonable points as opposed to this new... 'avenue'

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 12:01 PM.