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[yrrot]

TheCaptainJZ, on 13 February 2021 - 02:13 PM, said:

iirc, the penalty only applied if you didn't contribute to the match. I can't remember how that was determined though. The system was implemented in part because of people who hated a map so much they'd just disconnect rather than play it. There were also people yoloing because some event called for x number of matches. Events have been structured much better for years though reducing the need for this draconian penalty system which was never reassessed after implemented. Until now.

The penalty they are talking about only applies if you leave/get DC'd before you die. You've always been able to leave matches after you are dead without penalty. There's a semi-regular crash that happens at the start of the match that can take more then 2 minutes to kill the game, relaunch, load, and reconnect. This change is just increasing the window of time you can reconnect without a penalty being applied. If you're gone for more than 4 minutes, you will still get a penalty if you left before you died, even if reconnecting.

And yes, inb4 "fix crash instead", they should look to also fix the crash. This was just a quick workaround to alleviate some of the problems players deal with.

[crazytimes]

TheCaptainJZ, on 13 February 2021 - 02:09 PM, said:

There is no group queue currently. Groups of any size can drop in QP. There was never a hybrid system as you described of having small groups in QP of up to 4, or they'd drop in group queue. The comment here in the Patch Notes is not that they want to eliminate groups but they hope to have a group queue again (they didn't word it very well in these notes, but have said as much in podcasts).

You know what I feel might actually work- a combined queue for groups and solos, with any size groups, solos will only get matched against 1-4 manners, but groups of 3-12 can get matched against any size groups.

No need for seperate queues or modes, just the matchmaker gets tweaked. Shouldn't impact queue times for solos and small groups.

[CowwsMOO]

These new cadet bonuses are really awesome for getting new players started!

That being said, I think all players who have already completed the cadet bonuses should get the new rewards too, no matter how long ago it was. Old players don't really need the cbills, so you could skip that part, but getting the other things like MC and warhorns would be great.

[NeckWorrier]

CowwsMOO, on 13 February 2021 - 04:47 PM, said:

These new cadet bonuses are really awesome for getting new players started!

That being said, I think all players who have already completed the cadet bonuses should get the new rewards too, no matter how long ago it was. Old players don't really need the cbills, so you could skip that part, but getting the other things like MC and warhorns would be great.

Agreed, I started in christmas. Would definitely like the rewards.

[The6thMessenger]

TheCaptainJZ, on 13 February 2021 - 02:13 PM, said:

Events have been structured much better for years though reducing the need for this draconian penalty system which was never reassessed after implemented. Until now.

There SHOULD be punishment to deter unwanted behavior, such as leaving the game just because you don't like the map. That's horrible and ill mannered.

Lockheed_, on 13 February 2021 - 04:08 PM, said:

I still leave maps that I hate. Frozen City Classic is one of these maps that often get me to alt+f4 and play another game when it comes up as well as when Mining Collective gets voted again and again and again.

Lockheed_, on 13 February 2021 - 09:20 PM, said:

Just respectful of my spare time.
And if more people were, game devs would be forced to do something about the product/experience instead of trying to put up silly penalties when their customers do not enjoy part of it.

Not everyone gets what they want in most cases, that's why you just suck it up and wait for your vote to get up. You don't have the high-ground here, you don't get to say "respect my time", especially when you aren't respectful of others. That -1 player ruins the game for others, PGI might have ruined the match for you by not getting the map you wanted, but you ruined the game for the 23 others, you're 23x worse than PGI.

They can just leave? What if they took long to queue, only to queue again with a legit match? Respect your time, but you ought to requeue them? What if they wanted the map? Why should your choice to play on it triumphs over theirs?

Sure, PGI might address mass desertion, but that's not exactly happening to my experience. So either most are actually okay with the maps, or most have better manners than you. Either way, if you can't cooperate with the team, you might as well just stop playing to risk not getting the map you don't want.

Don't get me wrong, there is something that PGI could do, like roll in the possible game-mode and maps first and then pick from the players who actually want to play with said game-mode and game-maps (note that this will likely increase wait time and is not helpful to our low population).

But until such is actually implemented, that's an incredibly toxic and selfish behavior to the detriment of your compatriots, you should be ashamed for that.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 14 February 2021 - 07:17 AM.

[Arkhangel]

Honestly, just removing the Map vote period would help a lot.

The only vote that really matters is game mode.

[Bolo Atari]

Look man, I will gladly buy the Zeus fins. I'll even drive to PGI and gives someone hard cash to use them in games. I want my Mech Barbie.

But ... they better not cause armor or structure loss if they are hit.

This is the way.

[Bolo Atari]

Arkhangel, on 14 February 2021 - 02:06 AM, said:

Honestly, just removing the Map vote period would help a lot.

The only vote that really matters is game mode.

Bump voting at all. You get what you get; there's the challenge. The better pilot accepts and adapts. The weak one complains about it.

[Serial Number]

Snow maps should've been set to night time.

[Ekson Valdez]

Lockheed_, on 13 February 2021 - 04:08 PM, said:

I still leave maps that I hate. Frozen City Classic is one of these maps that often get me to alt+f4 and play another game when it comes up as well as when Mining Collective gets voted again and again and again.

Purposely disconnecting or suiciding because one doesn't like the map or mode that was chosen is a violation of the CoC and therefore rightfully penalized.

[TercieI]

Bolo Atari, on 14 February 2021 - 06:14 AM, said:

Bump voting at all. You get what you get; there's the challenge. The better pilot accepts and adapts. The weak one complains about it.

As long as Incursion goes too. Incursion is trash.

[GaelicWolf]

InnerSphereNews, on 12 February 2021 - 02:31 PM, said:

If you are leaving early because of groups in quickplay please know we are looking to remove groups from the solo queue. It's on the roadmap and we hope to give you updated criteria for making this happen along with an ETA on when we hope to do the work. This information should be present in the next road map update.

This will really not accomplish anything due to the fact that Sync-Dropping is still a thing.
And we all know that those that Sync drop to form large groups will still rule the field for those of us that drop solo.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

Ekson Valdez, on 14 February 2021 - 07:01 AM, said:

Purposely disconnecting or suiciding because one doesn't like the map or mode that was chosen is a violation of the CoC and therefore rightfully penalized.

I suggest you bring this up with GM Patience to get him a warning.

[ZortPointNarf]

I am very happy with this first patch of the revival.

Happy to see the suggestions to make it a player side setting is being considered.
That is one thing I have always liked about mwo's community salt mines, we don't just cry, we actively suggest changes; and contrary to popular opinion PGI does listen more often than not.

I really hope there will be an option left for solo players to drop in group matches, I personally think it makes the game soooo much better. It is great to see when a little cohesion turns a battle.
(If you are getting lermed to death, ask yourself this: Did I take AMS? No?; well then its on you.)

Hardest part to decide now, is which mech gets to go out all fabolous!

@Matt, any chance that we can see some bolt-ons drop in future events? (I know I can earn them in solaris, but the e-peen measuring competition is really not my thing.)

Edited by ZortPointNarf, 14 February 2021 - 10:19 AM.

[RakiaTime]

removal of group drops? yall tone deaf?

[redacted]

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 15 February 2021 - 01:45 AM.

[JC Daxion]

Nukebirb, on 12 February 2021 - 03:46 PM, said:

Sure be nice if y'all could inject those cadet rewards for those of us who didn't just join the game, mmmmhm.

I agree, all those new players that just started really missed out. for the vets, this is just a drop in the bucket and would fall into the ok, free stuff but really won't effect us one way or another.

Either that or just power inject it to any account made in the last 3+ months or something. what ever works for ya




Outside of that, sounds like a very solid patch. So nice to see this game getting a little attention.

[JC Daxion]

Bolo Atari, on 14 February 2021 - 06:14 AM, said:

Bump voting at all. You get what you get; there's the challenge. The better pilot accepts and adapts. The weak one complains about it.

I agree, i always hated the whole map voting system. I'd of much rather just played what popped. What's the point of all these map if my bad luck sticks me on the same map all night long.

I'd much rather take my chances with RNG.

That said, Why not remove voting and then give people some check box options? You could have a map list and game mode list. If you want to take long and wait 10-15 mins because all you want to do is play Polar Dom, then more power to you.

But if you want the fastest match making check them all.

Maybe your sick of a certain map, well uncheck, and when the match maker is making a pool, you will be skipped.


It would all boil down to how long you wanted to wait. I could easily see myself only playing conquest all night
like i did back in the day.

[ScorpioMech]

JC Daxion, on 14 February 2021 - 12:17 PM, said:

I agree, i always hated the whole map voting system. I'd of much rather just played what popped. What's the point of all these map if my bad luck sticks me on the same map all night long.

I'd much rather take my chances with RNG.

That said, Why not remove voting and then give people some check box options? You could have a map list and game mode list. If you want to take long and wait 10-15 mins because all you want to do is play Polar Dom, then more power to you.

But if you want the fastest match making check them all.

Maybe your sick of a certain map, well uncheck, and when the match maker is making a pool, you will be skipped.


It would all boil down to how long you wanted to wait. I could easily see myself only playing conquest all night
like i did back in the day.

^^ That actually sounds like a good idea!

[Paul Meyers DEST]

I really dont like the bolton situation, that could be very harmful until the fix.

But i am really suprised in a positive way what you guys did with the new player stuff, i think that is really helpfull to keep new players in the game. good job.

[ColourfulConfetti]

I'd like to echo the sentiment that cadet bonuses should retroactively apply to older players. There is quite a bit to be gained from drawing back in old players who have since quit. Retroactive cadet bonuses are good start towards accomplishing that. It also demonstrates a healthy respect for your more veteran players.

Edited by ColourfulConfetti, 14 February 2021 - 02:12 PM.