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[Paul Meyers DEST]

Niche weapons like lgauss, lppc, snppc and HGauss made even more niche.

[letir]

Paul Meyers DEST, on 16 March 2021 - 06:21 AM, said:

HGauss made even more niche.

HGauss is the only one which didn't get nerfhammer in the knee.

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SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 06:19 AM, said:

So what you are saying 3xCerPPC build is no long jack of all trades?

No.

What he is saying is that it is completely ******* useless.

But - good news for you....

You can prove him and everyone else wrong by running a ppc mech after the patch and until they patch it again.

Edited by Ahh Screw it - WATCH THIS, 16 March 2021 - 06:25 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Ahh Screw it - WATCH THIS, on 16 March 2021 - 06:25 AM, said:

No.

What he is saying is that it is completely ******* useless.

But - good news for you....

You can prove him and everyone else wrong by running a ppc mech after the patch and until they patch it again.

No not at all they got their poptarting buffed but sustain DPS nerfed. People keep calling it a nerf it a nerf and a BUFF

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 06:27 AM.

[PraetorGix]

Some of the changes seem interesting but some things I can surely say without testing them out:
Light PPCs are deader than they already were. I hope that 7.25 is a typo.
MASC does NOT need to reduce your turning rate. Leave it at 0 if you must but negative values? Just, no.
And lastly, sigh... I cannot believe you started playing with PPCs, a weapon that didn't need immediate change, and left clan small pulses to rot. Cmon guys I really expected a better job at establishing priorities...

[DeadWeight18]

Well PGI missed to distinguish between the different PPC types. It was not necessary to increase damage of the types. Thrile HPCC can now kill some mechs in one shot

Gauss changes also decreased the time to kill (TTK) since know you can make reliable head shots with Dual GR. No idea what roll LGR should have now. I would like to have seen no cahrging need for them. Damage increase was also not needed.

Map lightning changes are good.

That weapon balance pass has for me no support by the community.

[letir]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 06:26 AM, said:

No not at all they got their poptarting buffed but sustain DPS nerfed. People keep calling it a nerf it a nerf and a BUFF

It's not a buff in QP. With such long cooldown PPC boat will be devoured alive.

[The pessimistic optimist]

DeadWeight18, on 16 March 2021 - 06:30 AM, said:

Well PGI missed to distinguish between the different PPC types. It was not necessary to increase damage of the types. Thrile HPCC can now kill some mechs in one shot

Gauss changes also decreased the time to kill (TTK) since know you can make reliable head shots with Dual GR. No idea what roll LGR should have now. I would like to have seen no cahrging need for them. Damage increase was also not needed.

Map lightning changes are good.

That weapon balance pass has for me no support by the community.

So the sky is not falling and the world is not ending

letir, on 16 March 2021 - 06:30 AM, said:

It's not a buff in QP. With such long cooldown PPC boat will be devoured alive.

Not for me as someone who use to LRM mechs I know how to space this is going to be fun let see how those low skill LRM skills come in handy

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 06:33 AM.

[Gitstompa]

Lol all the weapon changes look awful. I was going to buy that new mech pack if it looked like the game was going to get needed changes. Thanks for saving me some money guys!

[Paul Meyers DEST]

letir, on 16 March 2021 - 06:23 AM, said:

HGauss is the only one which didn't get nerfhammer in the knee.

Right, sir.

[Aivazovsky]

InnerSphereNews, on 15 March 2021 - 10:41 AM, said:

PPC
Cooldown Increased to 6 (from 4.5)
ER PPC
Cooldown Increased to 6 (from 4.5)
LIGHT PPC
Cooldown Increased to 7.25 (from 4.5)
SNUBNOSED PPC
Heat Increased to 11 (from 9.5)
Cooldown Increased to 6 (from 4.5)

Still not fixed Cooldown for PPC 4, not 4,5 Heat for SNUBNOSED PPC 10, not 9,5 Perhaps after the patch it turns out that the new cooldown will be 5,5, not 6

[Tectonix]

Snub is now completely useless. Congratulations. You deleted one Weapon.

[KursedVixen]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 06:19 AM, said:

So what you are saying 3xCerPPC build is no long jack of all trades?

also no more 2x heavy ppc.

East Indy, on 16 March 2021 - 04:11 AM, said:

So, in the patch notes there's a reference to the player group who submitted a proposal, and have done so in the past -- the message being, don't tell us how to design.

In case we get lost in the details: a community manager was hired with great fanfare and did a goodwill tour, a plan supporting player wants and needs was presented, the first phase of that plan opened a couple dozen threads inviting player feedback --

-- and once again, those responsible for game mechanics are implementing something no one had widely talked about, let alone ask for as organized representatives or even popular interest. It's what they had in their head, and on appearances, what they were going to do all along.

Not a good look.

where did it say that?

[CohortAscn]

Soooo..... relegating PPCs (including snubs? wtf?) to pop-tarting almost exclusively. PGI, Why?

[The pessimistic optimist]

CohortAscn, on 16 March 2021 - 06:56 AM, said:

Soooo..... relegating PPCs (including snubs? wtf?) to pop-tarting almost exclusively. PGI, Why?

Mostly because they have a roll now sniper. Right now there kind jack of all trade energy ACs

[AnAnachronismAlive]

What I - despite the specific details of this patch - am not able to understand: With the current state MWO is at in terms of content and playerbase, what could it hurt to give the dedicated re-balance concept the gulag provided a try?

It is not like we are still talking about a state of the game where player numbers move around in the (ten)thousands (anymore)! We are talking about a game

• that has not been supported content-wise for more than a year,
  
• that is "administered" by more or less TWO people atm and I it feels pretty safe to assume Daeron and Matt do have other obligations in terms of MW5 etc. on top of that,
  
• that fights with dwindling player numbers (keep Corona, the up-coming summer in mind),
  
• that needs it's competitive branch be done and driven by the community itself,
  
• [insert other valid points here].

So why would one think that the Balance-Changes the Gulag proposed would affect the general populations experience of play (and I assume that is the point hidden behind "taking other factors into account") in a bad or harmful way? Would'nt more build options by making MORE weapons/loadouts viable across the board grant more fun across the board since people could start tinkering in the mechlab again?

If the two men-team being responsible for MWO - and don't get me wrong: I don't envy you for being the personified in-between-punching-balls for issues to be identified as structural deficits and false pretending IMHO - suffers from structural overload, why not take the communities hand for at least once in MWOs lifetime? Although I am still convinced ye folks have a serious problem with expectation management!

I would even dare to say that 80% of the playerbase is not able or willing (me included) to identify the full potential/implications the Gulags proposals implied, because it does not affect our low-treshold and fun-orientied approach to the game by a lot anyhow. And we gotta be fair and true to ourselves in one regard: in the end the top 5% population easily farms the rest of the playerbase no matter the actual state of weapon balance in EVERY pvp-oriented game if placed in the same bucket.

Here we are again, so please help me to understand what you are afraid of? There is a german saying that seems to fit the current situaton MWO is at: In Gefahr und größter Not, bringt der Mittelweg den Tod!

So please stop these "half-arsed-wanna-appeal-to-everybody-and-hurt-no-one approaches" ye wanna keep this zombie alive with! It does not work, as we have seen a hundred times already! No soft snowwhite-kiss will wake this game up again, only a strong dose of adrenalin right into the core.

Yours
A3

Edited by AnAnachronismAlive, 16 March 2021 - 07:12 AM.

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SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 07:00 AM, said:

Mostly because they have a roll now sniper. Right now there kind jack of all trade energy ACs

No they are not. They are absolutely nothing like ACs. At all.

I eagerly await your 20, 50, and 100 game reports on the PPC buffs.

[letir]

SirSmokes, on 16 March 2021 - 07:00 AM, said:

Mostly because they have a roll now sniper. Right now there kind jack of all trade energy ACs

No, they are not. PPC alredy have prohibitve heat cost, too much CD and minimal range on top of that. They are nowhere near AC and UAC in versality and sustain.

[The pessimistic optimist]

letir, on 16 March 2021 - 07:05 AM, said:

No, they are not. PPC alredy have prohibitve heat cost, too much CD and minimal range on top of that. They are nowhere near AC and UAC in versality and sustain.

Yes they are they act like AC but also act like energy weapon. Right now you can get a way with sniping and brawling with them. Are they exactly like AC no but very close ammo free hot ACs. Are they the BEST brawling weapon NO but they can make do when they have too

Edited by SirSmokes, 16 March 2021 - 07:14 AM.

[PraetorGix]

I was thinking a while and got to the conclusion that you are contradicting yourselves big time PGI. You continually claim you want to improve new player experience. Then why in the name of Kerensky would you go and make the hardest family of weapons HARDER to use?!?!?
I get it, you are trying to make the sniping weapons more sniper-feeling, but FFS, one needs to be a real life military trained sniper marksman to use these now!
And the nub nose PPC, jeez... look, I'm bad at this game, and I also have high ping so I don't use PPCs and Gauss, except for the Heavy Gauss and the Snub nose. Why? Because those two are the brawling version of the lineup, they let me get close and have better chance to hit my target. If you didn't touch the HGauss, why would you destroy the Snub Nose PPC like this? It was already too hot for comfort, now it is useless for brawling.
Many already mentioned how this game devolves into nascar maneuvers all the time, how am I, or a newbie supposed to survive if all we have is a weapon that gives us ONE chance to make it count, or else I have to wait a day and a half to fire again? And no, the solution is not to mix them with other weapons systems, because the ridiculously high heat they will have now makes them impossible to pair with say, medium lasers for backup, or an UAC.

Oh and the most hilarious part of this all? Clan small pulses and to a lesser extent IS small pulses are still sitting in a corner, gathering dust. I guess now they won't feel so alone, with all those PPCs and Gausses going to keep them company.

If it's true that Chris made these changes as people say, then Daeron and Matt, you need to do whatever is in your power to regain control of balancing changes. You are the ones in touch with the players, even if you don't play the game much, you at least know the general sentiment of the playerbase.