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[Curccu]

Dashen, on 05 October 2022 - 02:50 AM, said:

I heard someone say Firecontrol, it's a legit cheat, still people use it, why would they not use anything else? I don't know if the guy cheated or not, but why bother?

What you mean Firecontrol legit cheat? it doesn't aim for you or you don't see anything you are not supposed to? It's PGI approved addon.

[Haipyng]

Dashen, on 05 October 2022 - 02:50 AM, said:

I heard someone say Firecontrol, it's a legit cheat, still people use it, why would they not use anything else? I don't know if the guy cheated or not, but why bother?

FireControl is a Macro system, which PGI is fine with. Really hard to call macros a cheat even if they defeat systems in place to solve in game problems, They are everywhere being bundled with hardware like Keyboards and Mice.

An actual cheat is something like aimbot (which is of limited use in MWO as there are very limited one shot one kill mechanics) or Wall hacks (lets people see where you are or about to crest a hill or object). Those are both very hard to prove and PGI never invested in cheat blockers preferring to deny existence of any such thing and promptly deleting any heresy that hacks exist in MWO. I am amazed this thread is still here.

Edited by Haipyng, 05 October 2022 - 08:15 AM.

[martian]

UMPA Viper, on 04 October 2022 - 01:24 PM, said:

There are multiple hacks out there for this game. Some free. I have been noticing more and more over the last couple weeks the use of wallhacks. Not sure if its due to the age of this game , but it doesnt seem like PGI cares anymore and isnt doing anything about it.

Use this e-mail to report such player/game to PGI:

moderation@mwomercs.com

You should list the match ID, map, game mode, that player's name and 'Mech, etc.

Attaching screenshots or videos would help too.

Honestly, there is nothing else what you can do.

[Dashen]

Curccu, on 05 October 2022 - 02:55 AM, said:

What you mean Firecontrol legit cheat? it doesn't aim for you or you don't see anything you are not supposed to? It's PGI approved addon.

That's why i called it a legit cheat, it does something for you which would require skill for me to do, especially during brawling, it also avoid ghost heat by timing PERFECTLY the delay between shots, which a human can potentially do but with a degree of error.

I don't see how that would not be considered on par with a program that aims at the center mass of a walking barn(because we all know it's very hard to aim at enemy mechs). But it's just stupid talk at this point, pgi said go ahead and use that cheat, but not the other ones.

I was just dropping some smug jokes.

[martian]

Dashen, on 05 October 2022 - 10:41 AM, said:

That's why i called it a legit cheat, it does something for you which would require skill for me to do, especially during brawling, it also avoid ghost heat by timing PERFECTLY the delay between shots, which a human can potentially do but with a degree of error.

I don't see how that would not be considered on par with a program that aims at the center mass of a walking barn(because we all know it's very hard to aim at enemy mechs). But it's just stupid talk at this point, pgi said go ahead and use that cheat, but not the other ones.

I was just dropping some smug jokes.

Well, if PGI officially sanctions something, then you can not call it "a cheat".

It is just "a tool", then.

[UMPA Viper]

pattonesque, on 04 October 2022 - 01:26 PM, said:

any video to support this or

Just a simple web search will show you all you need to know.

[Escef]

UMPA Viper, on 05 October 2022 - 01:12 PM, said:

Just a simple web search will show you all you need to know.

Every single person that has come onto these forums and claimed cheating is rampant in MWO has one thing in common: they provided no proof.

So, if you think it's so common, record some, put it up on YouTube, give us a link. The burden of proof is on the people making the claim.

Edited by Escef, 05 October 2022 - 01:20 PM.

[Freimaurer]

Nightbird, on 04 October 2022 - 02:07 PM, said:

This game doesn't offer the tools to help that. For example, seeing a replay while enabling see-though to catch wall hacks or aim botting.

No Aimbots No Wallhacks in Game It's a joke, there's enough of it

[martian]

UMPA Viper, on 05 October 2022 - 01:12 PM, said:

Just a simple web search will show you all you need to know.

If somebody says something, then it is his obligation to offer proofs that would support his claims.

Anyway, have you reported those cheaters to PGI?

[Meep Meep]

If you post up vids or other 'proof' of hax you will get sanctioned. I posted up a vid that simply showed a modified paper doll that had a different shape and asked if this was legal and almost got my account permabanned. That this thread is still open is puzzling to say the least.

[Escef]

Meep Meep, on 05 October 2022 - 01:26 PM, said:

If you post up vids or other 'proof' of hax you will get sanctioned. I posted up a vid that simply showed a modified paper doll that had a different shape and asked if this was legal and almost got my account permabanned. That this thread is still open is puzzling to say the least.

Ok, fine. Then they can DM links to us. This stuff isn't difficult.

[evil kerensky]

all you idiots asking for proof that hacks for this game exist are dumb or lazy. literally type into google "mechwarrior online hacks". you shouldnt even need to scroll past the first page.

im literally risking a possible ban to point out this info to you re tar ds just because you are all too lazy to do a minimum of research on stuff your talking about.


edit:when people say "just google it", they are not memeing you. it IS A BANWORTHY OFFENSE to post links to hacks. so google it yourself. pgi is literally blocking us from providing you with the proof. we gladly would, but the mod team WILL NOT ALLOW IT. so go google it yourself. im not encouraging you to cheat, but dont say "you need to prove theres hacks for me to believe they exist" when providing that proof will result in the person offering the proof a ban. weve told you were the proof is. go to it.

Edited by evil kerensky, 05 October 2022 - 03:07 PM.

[Gasboy]

UMPA Viper, on 05 October 2022 - 01:12 PM, said:

Just a simple web search will show you all you need to know.

And what would we be searching for, exactly? The precise search terms.

Meep Meep, on 05 October 2022 - 01:26 PM, said:

If you post up vids or other 'proof' of hax you will get sanctioned. I posted up a vid that simply showed a modified paper doll that had a different shape and asked if this was legal and almost got my account permabanned. That this thread is still open is puzzling to say the least.

You can message people a link. Or you can get contact info, and do the link exchange in a medium not controled by PGI, like Discord or email.

[Escef]

evil kerensky, on 05 October 2022 - 02:59 PM, said:

all you idiots asking for proof that hacks for this game exist are dumb or lazy.

No one is saying they don't exist. Please, tell me where anyone, anyone said such a thing. I'd love to see it.

The DM you sent me? Yeah, ok, hacks exist. Golly, gee willikers, hacks exist for a game that uses a well known game engine, who would have guessed?

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Ok, now, prove that they are rampant. Surely, if they are as rampant as people claim, getting footage of them in action should be easy, right? Don't tell me to Google it, you damnable chuds, you guys are the ones making the claims, back them up. Or shut up.

I know I never claimed that there are no hacks, all I've said is that I've never seen evidence that they are rampant. Hell, over the years I've seen a couple posters around here that screamed up and down that people were cheating, yet when I saw them in matches they proved to be players of at best marginal competence. In other words, being better than you at a video game does not qualify as cheating. Shocking, I know.

[pattonesque]

Escef, on 06 October 2022 - 01:39 PM, said:

Ok, now, prove that they are rampant. Surely, if they are as rampant as people claim, getting footage of them in action should be easy, right? Don't tell me to Google it, you damnable chuds, you guys are the ones making the claims, back them up. Or shut up.

hacks certainly do exist but uhhhh let's say mechdads think a lot of fairly easy FPS shots are only achievable through hacks

[evil kerensky]

i mean, to be totally honost, they probably arent a rampant scourge in the community. theres probably a handful of people using them rn. the problem is that the game has such a low population that the handful using them are having an outsized influence on peoples experience. 1-2 people in your teir and normal game time means youll see them every few matches. but if you look at the title of the thread and the first page, youll see that no ones saying were at tf2 levels of bad. their saying they exist and some people may be using them. tbh, id be willing to bet that most of the people using them are probably using them in comp, not qp.

but i was just trying to point out that yes, cheats do exist, yes people use them, and yes, pgi doesnt have any method of stopping it as of now. in fact, you cant really say they ARENT rampant as good situational awareness and a steady aim accomplish essentially the same thing.

to continue with the devils advocacy, the only people we know forsure arent cheating are the ones using weapons that arent hitscan.

[martian]

evil kerensky, on 05 October 2022 - 02:59 PM, said:

all you idiots asking for proof that hacks for this game exist are dumb or lazy. literally type into google "mechwarrior online hacks". you shouldnt even need to scroll past the first page.

im literally risking a possible ban to point out this info to you re tar ds just because you are all too lazy to do a minimum of research on stuff your talking about.


edit:when people say "just google it", they are not memeing you. it IS A BANWORTHY OFFENSE to post links to hacks. so google it yourself. pgi is literally blocking us from providing you with the proof. we gladly would, but the mod team WILL NOT ALLOW IT. so go google it yourself. im not encouraging you to cheat, but dont say "you need to prove theres hacks for me to believe they exist" when providing that proof will result in the person offering the proof a ban. weve told you were the proof is. go to it.

I think that this discussion will be more pleasant to read if you do not call other people "idiots", "dumb", "lazy" or "you re tar ds".

evil kerensky, on 06 October 2022 - 08:17 PM, said:

i mean, to be totally honost, they probably arent a rampant scourge in the community. theres probably a handful of people using them rn. the problem is that the game has such a low population that the handful using them are having an outsized influence on peoples experience. 1-2 people in your teir and normal game time means youll see them every few matches. but if you look at the title of the thread and the first page, youll see that no ones saying were at tf2 levels of bad. their saying they exist and some people may be using them. tbh, id be willing to bet that most of the people using them are probably using them in comp, not qp.

but i was just trying to point out that yes, cheats do exist, yes people use them, and yes, pgi doesnt have any method of stopping it as of now. in fact, you cant really say they ARENT rampant as good situational awareness and a steady aim accomplish essentially the same thing.

to continue with the devils advocacy, the only people we know forsure arent cheating are the ones using weapons that arent hitscan.

I have seen many people on this forums accusing other players and calling them "hackers" or "cheaters". Often they added that this game is full of hacking and cheating.

Typically, they had no proof (despite their claims that cheating is massive and widespread in MWO). No screenshots, no videos, no stats, etc.

If they posted some video, it was often some old recording that was many years old. That was pretty strange, because if cheating was so common in MWO, I would expect them to have many videos like from yesterday, last week or so.

Also, there were cases when those people with hackusations posted videos showing supposed hackers in action. Careful analysis found out that everything is all right, that the things in the video are happening as they should:

1) One player claimed that it was impossible to be hit by enemy missiles (in some moment in the game). Analysis of the video found out that he was still within the range of enemy missiles, albeit barely.

2) One player claimed that the enemy player was cheating and using hacked - "too powerful" - weapons that removed a half of his 'Mech with one shot. Analysis of the video found out that the player was not hit by one enemy 'Mech, but by two enemies, both hiting the same location in the same moment. And since the second enemy player was almost out of sight, it was not immediately obvious what truly happened.

I am not saying that MWO is free from cheaters, but some proof is always needed, especially if somebody is claiming that cheating in MWO is so widespread.

[Nightbird]

Certainly helps that 1) you are not allowed to post names and links of the cheats, 2) you are not allowed to record cheats in action videos without getting banned (not even in private lobby so you are not harming regular players) 3) the game does not allow first person view of enemies to record questionable gameplay.

If nothing else, being able to see the game from your killer's perspective allows you to identify your own mistakes and improve. It also greatly reduces hacking accusations.

Instead we have a set of rules and features that protects the people using cheats and allows them and others to pretend there are no cheats for this game and no cheaters lol. Oh well.

Edited by Nightbird, 07 October 2022 - 06:16 AM.

[Haipyng]

Nightbird, on 07 October 2022 - 06:07 AM, said:

Certainly helps that 1) you are not allowed to post names and links of the cheats, 2) you are not allowed to record cheats in action videos without getting banned (not even in private lobby so you are not harming regular players) 3) the game does not allow first person view of enemies to record questionable gameplay.

If nothing else, being able to see the game from your killer's perspective allows you to identify your own mistakes and improve. It also greatly reduces hacking accusations.

Instead we have a set of rules and features that protects the people using cheats and allows them and others to pretend there are no cheats for this game and no cheaters lol. Oh well.

Well put! The ambiguity is supported to protect PGI's investment. Cheats give advantages but they don't generally allow one person to dominate a match because of the game mechanics.

It is frustrating when you are moving at 130KPH and someone is so good they hit you with gauss every time they fire as you are running across a field, weaving and twisting. Can someone be that good? I guess? It's not the norm at all however.

The wall hack is the worst tactically. They know where you are going to pop up or out of before you do. I am talking way across the map, not near a UAV. I've been on teams where we did something off the wall and went right to the edge of the map on Polar while advancing to go around and flank, sticking to the valleys. Their entire team was waiting in a great ambush spot at the edge of that map. I guess they could have had a stealth scout see us and shadow us. I guess they could have all been fast mechs that could reposition that fast? Seems far more likely someone saw what was up from the beginning.

That's the thing. The doubt benefits the developer, because it means they are spending nothing to mitigate the cheating. No VAC, no Easy Anti-Cheat. It benefits the cheater because, "there are no cheats for MWO" and PGI "monitors" for cheating without specifying what they monitor with? Cheaters can cheat and people don't bother reporting the repeat spectacular shots, or the incredible psychic tactical moves because cheating doesn't exist.

This is the most open discussion on the MWO official forums I have seen about it ever and it hasn't been locked yet.

[Curccu]

Haipyng, on 07 October 2022 - 09:21 AM, said:

It is frustrating when you are moving at 130KPH and someone is so good they hit you with gauss every time they fire as you are running across a field, weaving and twisting. Can someone be that good? I guess? It's not the norm at all however.

it depends how much that weaving and twisting affects your movement pattern from shooters point of view, but hitting same component constantly is usually something that even most skilled players cannot do against that fast mechs.